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Offline Voller  
#1 Posted : 26 December 2008 00:19:34(UTC)
Voller


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Hi guys.

Merry christmas, first of all. I wanted to hear your comments on my latest weathering. I usually paint with dark colors (for example for a coal wagon), but today I went for something different: Chalk.

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A few comments:

The "roof" of the wagon seems very white. This is because of the point of view. When looking at the roof from above, it's not anywhere as white as this photo suggests.

Notice the grease on the buffers, the highlights around the rivets and edges, traces of chalk down the side of the wagon and the dust on the wheels and lower part of the wagon.

Since weathering a chalk-wagon is new to me, I would like to hear some constructive criticism.
Best regards, Voller.
http://modeltog.voller.dk
Offline mmervine  
#2 Posted : 26 December 2008 00:38:05(UTC)
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this looks fantastic to me!
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Offline Webmaster  
#3 Posted : 26 December 2008 00:45:11(UTC)
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I think you have been a bit conservative, some more rust & accentuated chalk runs on the sides would make it look really used...

I guess it is a matter of how "used" you want to make it look, and the picture shows a wagon after a month in use or such - in my eyes... But a great job for a "first time" with whites anyway...

The brake cabin could use some work with dark & white too, looks a bit "untouched" from this angle... Just my personal opinion...
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Offline mmrcnzjohn  
#4 Posted : 26 December 2008 01:10:56(UTC)
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There was an article in the Continental Modeller a few years ago about weathering the hopper wagons that carry chalk. They literally scrape the chalk off the destination boadrs as the wagon sides literally get covered in the stuff (prototype photo's suggested up to 1-2cm!). The roof hatches arn't as bad because of the opening and closing.

But it is a great job. Chalk may be one of those weathering mediums where filling the wagon with chalk dust would show where it sits and lands. Depending on where it gets loaded/unloaded on you layout, you may want to put some chalk dust around that point as well.

As an aside, what do the Germans use all that chalk for?

John

Offline Macfire  
#5 Posted : 26 December 2008 08:30:00(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mmervine
<br />this looks fantastic to me!


Yep, ditto.
Great first attempt and I also like you rusty rails, pretty life-like.
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Offline Goofy  
#6 Posted : 26 December 2008 08:36:55(UTC)
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What an excellent dirty paintworking on the railwaywagon...!
Don´t read what Webmaster did wrote to you...
Because if you are putting more colour on the wagon,you will destroy the right good image of dirty.
You are good to dirtypainting models...!

Goofy Smile
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Offline steventrain  
#7 Posted : 26 December 2008 10:34:31(UTC)
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Very good weathering, Voller.
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Offline Voller  
#8 Posted : 26 December 2008 12:25:34(UTC)
Voller


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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster
<br />I think you have been a bit conservative, some more rust & accentuated chalk runs on the sides would make it look really used...

Thanks for all your comments. About being too conservative. When it comes to weathering, I believe less is more. You can always add more weathering later, but it's next to impossible to remove weathering.

Some of my first weathering attempts looked horrible, because I added to much paint and I had no way of removing it without damaging the model or its original paint.
Best regards, Voller.
http://modeltog.voller.dk
Offline ulf999  
#9 Posted : 26 December 2008 19:43:12(UTC)
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looks great!
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Offline Frostie  
#10 Posted : 26 December 2008 22:18:01(UTC)
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very nice.
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Offline intruder  
#11 Posted : 27 December 2008 00:48:07(UTC)
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I think it looks great, too.
Best regards Svein, Norway
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Offline Webmaster  
#12 Posted : 27 December 2008 00:54:15(UTC)
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The main thing is that the original "shiny" look is gone, so it looks credible. It looks like there is a layer of white dust over the whole wagon, as well as some detail enhancement, so that is just fine... Smile

But the track cleaning pad does not look "prototypical"... winkbiggrin
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Offline Pianne  
#13 Posted : 27 December 2008 13:26:32(UTC)
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It looks great, Voller!

Can you tell us which techniques/materials you used?
Kind regards,
Pieter-Jan
Bruges, Belgium.
Offline Voller  
#14 Posted : 27 December 2008 21:29:33(UTC)
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Pianne&gt;
I used Vallejo acrylics paint. I only use acrylics, sine it's easy to thin/dissolve with water and it dosn't smell horrible like oil-based paints.

I started out with airbrushing a mixture of black and brown around the edges of the wagon. I then used a cotton swap with water to remove the paint from the large surface areas of the wagon. The result is, that the dark paint only sits around the edges of the wagon, makes them stand out a bit.

Next step was a thin, even layer of a mixture of "white chalk" and "flat brown", applied with airbrushed. I then proceeded to make the traces of chalk, still with my airbrush. This was simply done freehand.

All the rivets were drybrushed (= a brush with very, very little paint on) with a mix of "flat brown" and "oliy steel" to make them stand out.

The wheels and lower side of the wagon were airbrushed with a mix of "oliy grease" and "suciedad dirt". Only a thin layer.

Finally, I used a small brush to paint the grease stains on the buffers. The grease is made from "oily grease", "oily steel" and "metallic rust".

All of the above took me about an hour, but it was great fun.
Best regards, Voller.
http://modeltog.voller.dk
Offline kimballthurlow  
#15 Posted : 28 December 2008 00:42:46(UTC)
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Hi Thomas,
Good weathering and track detail.
regards
Kimball
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Offline Pianne  
#16 Posted : 28 December 2008 15:10:15(UTC)
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Thanks for the explanation, Voller.

I recently acquired a decent compressor for my airbrush and plan to 'attack' some goods cars with it as well. (I need to experiment some more with thinning and pressure settings though). So pictures of weathering projects are a very welcome source of inspiration.

I've always used Humbrol enamel paints, but I've bought a bottle of Vallejo acrylic to test and I'm very impressed with the quality. The squeezable bottles also make it a lot easier to fill up the airbrush (getting paint out of a Humbrol can is a real mess!). I will switch to Vallejo acrylics completely over time.

Kind regards,
Pieter-Jan
Bruges, Belgium.
Offline Voller  
#17 Posted : 28 December 2008 18:19:38(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Pianne
Pictures of weathering projects are a very welcome source of inspiration.
Well, I do have a few more photos of some other weathering I've done. If they can help you, feel free to use them.

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That last one, type Eaos, was supposed to look like this photo. I didn't quite make it, but I'd like to think I got close. :)

Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Pianne
I will switch to Vallejo acrylics completely over time.
A wise choice. I'm very pleased with Vallejo.
Best regards, Voller.
http://modeltog.voller.dk
Offline ximoelx  
#18 Posted : 28 December 2008 20:39:56(UTC)
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Bravo¡¡ Voller, an extraordinary work.

Regards ximo.
Offline Pianne  
#19 Posted : 30 December 2008 11:35:28(UTC)
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Thank you very much for the beautifull images, Voller.
I can't wait to start weathering.
Kind regards,
Pieter-Jan
Bruges, Belgium.
Offline nevw  
#20 Posted : 30 December 2008 11:58:49(UTC)
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The more you practice the better you will get. However the results so far are terrific.

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Offline ozzman  
#21 Posted : 30 December 2008 12:38:49(UTC)
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An excellent job! If I could get 10% of your results I'd be happy.

Might all that chalk be used as a fine industrial abrasive?
Gary
Z Scale
"Never let the prototype get in the way of a good layout"
Offline Pianne  
#22 Posted : 30 December 2008 14:38:03(UTC)
Pianne


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AFAIK, chalk is/was used to make cement (concrete) & glass.
Chalk is also used to make carbide (by melting cokes & chalk together), and from that, acetylene gas (Carbide was also used in lamps).
Chalk is also used in agriculture to raise the PH-value of the soil.

Kind regards,
Pieter-Jan
Bruges, Belgium.
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