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Offline mikegeorge  
#1 Posted : 08 December 2008 23:46:39(UTC)
mikegeorge


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Location: Anchorage, AK
I want to start a new hobby. I do not have a local dealer, so I have no one to ask.
What are the advantages and disadvantages of Marklin HO trains?
Thanks.

Mike George
Alaska
Offline Darren W  
#2 Posted : 08 December 2008 23:57:40(UTC)
Darren W

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I am new to the hobby myself and like you I do not have a local hobby shop. You can find pretty much anything you need on the internet though. I have dealt with www.eurorailhobbies.com since it is in the same province I live in.

The disadvantages I would say is that if you choose Marklin you have to go with 3-rail track which limits your sources and the stuff is not cheap.

Having said that there are definate advantages to the 3-rail system. The Marklin equipment is great quality. I like the European models better than anything here in North America. Most North American models are just freight trains with less variety in the models. Model railroading as a hobby is great since it combines so many things like woodworking, electrical/electronics, kit buiding, painting, scenery, etc. and you can just choose to focus on the things you like to do. You really don't have to please anybody else.

The guys on this forum are all great and have a ton of information to help you along. You will not be alone.

I hope this helps.

Cheers...
Darren
Offline stenscience  
#3 Posted : 09 December 2008 00:05:24(UTC)
stenscience


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Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico
Well Mike,
Let me be the first to welcome you to the forum.
First, you might like to look through a few previous threads. There are lots of discussions,
even recent ones, that may help you. Also, everyone here is willing to help.
I see you are in AK, always wanted to go there, but I think not too
many model RR shops, and those are probably DC. A lot of people here
use online dealers (I live in New York City, but I still use an online retailer).
In spite of some gripes about specific items, I think the biggest advantage of Marklin is
the overall quality of the brand for the money you pay. I have Marklin locos
that are 50 years old and still run perfectly. The disadvantage (not for me, but for some)
is that most RR hobbyists in N America run DC systems, so it can be hard to
find shops, parts, clubs, etc. You are in the right place, though...
G
Offline gachar001  
#4 Posted : 09 December 2008 00:08:48(UTC)
gachar001

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I got into this hobby about a year ago. IMHO, here are the advantages and disadvantages of Marklin

Advantages
1. Extremely well built
2. Very reliable
3. Most locos have a metal body (I just prefer metal to plastic)
4. Nice detail
5. C track (Marklin's latest version of track) works great. I don't have experience with the older kinds of track so no comment.
6. 3 rail AC - you can build reverse loops in your layout without having to worry about shorting
7. Other manufacturers (Roco, Hag, Fleischmann, Brawa etc.) build 3 rail AC locos and rolling stock that can be used in Marklin layouts.
8. You can get all the help you need from this forum.

Disadvantages
1. Cost - very expensive
2. Availability - Not many dealers around. Plenty of online dealers but you will be buying sight unseen (but trust me - you will not be disappointed)
3. 3 rail AC - Needs a electrical pickup shoe for the center studs. This sometimes needs adjustment and is noisy.
4. Limited American models. Does not bother me as I have both American and European models on my layout.

If I had to start all over again, I will choose Marklin.
Gautham
Atlanta, GA USA
Offline mike c  
#5 Posted : 09 December 2008 00:23:15(UTC)
mike c

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The decision to start in model trains can be a big one.
You first have to decide what you want to model. Do you want to model North American, European or other? What scale?
After you have decided on HO scale, you then have to decide on what system.
For European trains, there are two main systems, DC, which is the worldwide standard, and Maerklin's 3-rail AC system.
Maerklin's rail system has some advantages, as the third rail permits the use of reverse loops and other setups that would normally cause a short if done with 2-rail DC tracks.
I guess that one thing you would have to decide is how much space you are going to have available for your layout. Many European companies manufacture rolling stock in exact 1:87, which is about 30cm for a modern coach. These coaches require larger radii than the older versions and the so-called "Hobby" coaches. Maerklin's current selection includes 27cm and 28cm coaches (1:100-1:93)
If you have the space to run larger radii with longer coaches, you may wish to look at some of the other manufacturers, Roco, LS Models, ACME, Rivarossi, etc. A good selection of their products can be found at eurailhobbies, reynaulds or at tee-usa and other shops.
Companies like Roco, Hag* and others also make models for 3-rail AC. These models work as well as the average Maerklin lok or better*.

Your key question was what are the advantages of Maerklin?

Here's something to think about. I have Maerklin trains going back to the 1960s when I was a kid. Some of them may be a little bashed up but they still run perfectly. I honestly could not tell you where any of my Triang, Tyco or other trains have gone. I am pretty sure that they were all broken and thrown out years ago.
Maerklin trains are tougher than most other brands!

Right now is a good time to get into Maerklin because the US dollar is higher against the Euro than it has been in quite a while.

Here are a few Euro online shops to check out:

Modellbahn Kramm
Modelleisenbahn.com (Schweickhardt)
Lokshop
suter-meggen.ch (Swiss)

You can find a list of local dealers (if any) at Marklin.com using the search feature. Most big cities (NY, Miami, Chicago, etc) have dealers that carry a reasonable selection.

I do a lot of shopping overseas because limited edition items can be much harder to find in North America. I tend to buy Swiss stuff from Switzerland and German stuff from Germany or wherever Ican get the best price.

Regards

Mike C
Canada
Offline shaygetz  
#6 Posted : 09 December 2008 04:20:10(UTC)
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Welcome to the forum, Mike.Smile
"To escape the error of salvation by works we have fallen into the opposite error of salvation without obedience.”

---A.W. Tozer

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Offline Larry  
#7 Posted : 09 December 2008 07:10:44(UTC)
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Mike - I tried them all in HO before getting into Marklin HO. I tried the US manufacturers and found the Japanese KATO was pretty good but nothing held the tracks better than Marklin was trouble free had all kinds of track to make just about any crazy layout work with derailments. There is no better quality and a complete, reliable and very interesting railroad system for any age!
Offline MARKLIN LOVER  
#8 Posted : 09 December 2008 07:26:01(UTC)
MARKLIN LOVER


Joined: 27/12/2007(UTC)
Posts: 488
Location: Bronx, NY
Well Mike welcome aboard, i started in MARKLIN last year, and i have quickly grown to love their system, the detail in the locos is bar none the best, and of course the c-track is super simple to set-up and run, i have quickly grown from a starter american set to a 13 foot long by 5 foot wide layout and seven steam engines, you will see that it can get very addicting with MARKLIN. The other thing is that you will find that most MARKLIN gents on here are incredibly helpful, i also believe that MARKLIN sorta hold a better value in the long run, now there are more positives i am sure just cant think of them right now.

Negatives: Expensive (but then again what isnt now and days)
Not a large choice of American trains
Hope this helps!

Check out www.euromodeltrains.com you can call mike he has very good prices and is very helpful with any of your questions!

Let us know what you decide, you will love MARKLIN!biggrin
Keep em on the rails!

Ivan!
User is suspended until 24/11/2846 07:19:16(UTC) Bigdaddynz  
#9 Posted : 09 December 2008 12:07:47(UTC)
Bigdaddynz

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Welcome to the forum, Mike. Others have given you great advice, there's not much else I can add. The dealer mentioned at www.euromodeltrains.com is a member of this forum (plavnostruev), and he (also named Mike) will give you good advice and service.

Yes, the value of the USD v the euro is good right now (not so good here......our Marklin just got way more expensive [xx(]).
Offline tekin65  
#10 Posted : 09 December 2008 14:23:59(UTC)
tekin65

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Larry
<br />There is no better quality and a complete, reliable and very interesting railroad system for any age!


Totally agree with that.

There's always mention of cost when it comes to M* but you'll soon discover that no other brand really is cheap. With M* you have the added advantage of good 2nd hand market so most of your investment is preserved.

To tell you the truth, in my many hobbies mrr is the only one which I can get back the money I put into it - thanks to Märklin (and Hag).

Cem.
3 rail: C-track with CS2 2 rail: Trix C-track with Trix MS - K.Bay., DRG, DR, DB, SBB, TCDD

Now all eras but no ICE

My loco inventory for the interested
Offline mascagni  
#11 Posted : 09 December 2008 14:48:41(UTC)
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Cem: I play the violin, and have a 18th century French and an early 20th century Italian violin along with many bows. This is a "hobby" where good quality items retain their value, and can appreciate considerably. Thus, I am blessed with two hobbies that may not be monetary sink holes!!--MM
Michael Mascagni, Tallahassee
If I weren't a Mathematician, I'd be a Violinist.--Albert Einstein
Offline tekin65  
#12 Posted : 09 December 2008 16:40:52(UTC)
tekin65

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mascagni
<br />Cem: I play the violin, and have a 18th century French and an early 20th century Italian violin along with many bows. This is a "hobby" where good quality items retain their value, and can appreciate considerably. Thus, I am blessed with two hobbies that may not be monetary sink holes!!--MM


Hmmm, you made me remember that I actually made a lot of money when I sold my 1961 Gibson SG guitar ... biggrin

Cem.
3 rail: C-track with CS2 2 rail: Trix C-track with Trix MS - K.Bay., DRG, DR, DB, SBB, TCDD

Now all eras but no ICE

My loco inventory for the interested
Offline steventrain  
#13 Posted : 09 December 2008 17:52:49(UTC)
steventrain

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Hi and Welcome to the forum, Mike.Smile
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline mikegeorge  
#14 Posted : 10 December 2008 10:02:18(UTC)
mikegeorge


Joined: 07/12/2008(UTC)
Posts: 10
Location: Anchorage, AK
Everyone,
Thanks for all the help. I guess you confirmed my choice of Marklin. Now all I have to do is find a good starter set. Am I better off starting with diesel or is the quality of steam locs as good as buying separate locs later on. My main interest will be passenger, both USA and European, all generations.
Mike George
Alaska
User is suspended until 24/11/2846 07:19:16(UTC) Bigdaddynz  
#15 Posted : 10 December 2008 10:07:16(UTC)
Bigdaddynz

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Mike start off with whatever you like, although I will say the steam locos seem to grab the imagination of most people more that the diesel locos. It comes down to your pocket and your personal tastes really.

The quality of the steam locos out of the starter sets is very good. I have one or two that came out of broken up starter sets and I have not regretted buying them.
Offline RayF  
#16 Posted : 10 December 2008 12:03:49(UTC)
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Mike, when buying a starter set be aware that there are 2 levels of set. The cheaper starter sets nowadays come with a more basic "Hobby' locomotive and a digital controller that is very limited in facilities. The more expensive sets will bring one or two locomotives complete with sound and other digital functions, and either the Mobile Station or the Central Station controller.

Be sure to choose a set which is in line with your expectations.

Ray
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline laalves  
#17 Posted : 10 December 2008 13:53:56(UTC)
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Mike, if you want a high quality american style, go for the 29490 starter set. The loco in it (GG-1) is one of Märklin's best and pure american style hardware. It comes with an MS which is the basic digital controller. It controls up to 10 locos.
Offline Renato  
#18 Posted : 10 December 2008 18:58:25(UTC)
Renato

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Welcome to the forum Mike and congratulations for your choice of Marklin trains.

By

Renato
Offline TTRExpress  
#19 Posted : 10 December 2008 19:13:28(UTC)
TTRExpress

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Welcome to the Forum Mike. Why Maerklin? Why not? Glad you have chosen a quality manufacturer that offers you a complete line of products. In the world of 3-rail AC you are making a good choice. Be prepared to spend lots of money!!
Regards (a Scot in Wisconsin),

Maurice [ETE, TTRCA, IG-TRIX Express, Maerklin-Insider & TRIX Profi-Club]
Offline mikegeorge  
#20 Posted : 11 December 2008 01:50:26(UTC)
mikegeorge


Joined: 07/12/2008(UTC)
Posts: 10
Location: Anchorage, AK
Would starter set #29533 be a good choice? I would prefer set #29830 in a version with C track, if is it available. I have not received my Marklin catalog yet.
Mike George
Alaska
Offline Macfire  
#21 Posted : 11 December 2008 02:03:51(UTC)
Macfire


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Mike,
Welcome to funsville mate.
The 29533 is a nice set.
The 29830 is not available in C Track, but there is the 29010 set available,
http://www.marklin.com/marklin_pdb.html
I still use this site as a reference.
Regards
Tony

Lord Macca
New Zealand branch of Clan Donald.
Offline mikegeorge  
#22 Posted : 11 December 2008 07:53:28(UTC)
mikegeorge


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Posts: 10
Location: Anchorage, AK
How good is the Harry Potter "Hogwarts Express" engine? I see one on ebay.
Mike George
Alaska
Offline mmrcnzjohn  
#23 Posted : 11 December 2008 09:32:38(UTC)
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Depends, apparently it has some issues pulling the whole train up steep grades, but apart from that its not bad.

John

(has Thomas Percy and pigs but no harry potter!)
Offline gachar001  
#24 Posted : 11 December 2008 17:39:45(UTC)
gachar001

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Mike,
You may want to consider a starter set where the loco has sound. Sure, it is a matter of choice but I love to have sound on my locos.
Gautham
Atlanta, GA USA
Offline mikegeorge  
#25 Posted : 11 December 2008 19:03:48(UTC)
mikegeorge


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gachar001,

Does this mean the "Hogwarts Express" does not have sound? You are right, I have to have sound!
Mike George
Alaska
Offline steventrain  
#26 Posted : 11 December 2008 19:16:45(UTC)
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The hogwarts express do not fitted with sound. The model is same as Hornby model.
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline gachar001  
#27 Posted : 11 December 2008 19:56:17(UTC)
gachar001

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mikegeorge
<br />gachar001,

Does this mean the "Hogwarts Express" does not have sound? You are right, I have to have sound!

Looks like the 29552 Hogwarts express has only the whistle sound and 29550 has no sound. Some Marklin locos come with whistle sound and some have the full sound.
I would recommend that you go to marklin.com and click on the Product Databank search. There you can search by model number or by keyword among other things. The description will specify if the loco has only a whistle sound or a sound effects generator. I think the database has all Marklin products produced since 2000 listed in it.

You may also want to look at eBay germany (ebay.de). There you will find 10 times more Marklin products as compared to the US site. Ofsourse shipping will cost more.
In ebay.de, under Categories, go to Modellbau. There you will be able to browse AC (Wechselstrom) and go from there.
Gautham
Atlanta, GA USA
Offline mikegeorge  
#28 Posted : 11 December 2008 23:54:35(UTC)
mikegeorge


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Location: Anchorage, AK
Thanks for the tip on the Product Databank, it has been very helpful.
Mike George
Alaska
Offline dbmike  
#29 Posted : 13 December 2008 00:56:36(UTC)
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Location: Kokomo, IN
Because you cant do a nice layout in 34in x 55in with any other brand of HO scale trains! Both N and Z are to small for me, I have tried both. O scale is great but even more expensive and takes lots of space. I do have my father's Lionel set from the late 1940's that goes under our Christmas tree, but the home layout is a small Marklin layout, with catenary. Its still got aways to go on the scenery, need roads really bad, the city folk getting tired of driving in the grass! I know of no other scales that a 2-10-0 decapod or br44 can go around 15' radius curves as smoothly as it goes around much wider ones. My layout is all M track, vintage locomotives and older buildings. I even converted a UK OO modeler friend of mine over to Marklin as he is always disgusted how poorly older UK make OO stuff runs. He despises the new Chinese stuff for OO, even though it runs much better. When he saw how smooth my old br81 and V200 and br44 ran around tight curves and were older than his UK stuff he was hooked. My biggest problem is affording what I want. With 2 other hobbies competing for funds, HO USA trains and antique garden tractors, the wallet tends to stay empty most of the time. I have owned trains that are high $$ such as brass in HO scale, top of the line Lionel ect, nothing runs as nice, holds its long term value as Marklin. They are the Mercedes Benz of model trains. Built tough, operate almost flawlessly with proper maintance and if the time comes for the collection to be sold when we go on to the next life, usualy are worth as much or more than we paid to help the family cope, or become treasured keepsakes. I hope to see Marklin stay going, get LGB back into the USA market and grow once we get the global economy back on its feet. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Mike and Michele T
Due to budget shortfall, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off....mgmt.
Offline p .g  
#30 Posted : 13 December 2008 03:44:31(UTC)
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WELCOME MG do your home work like what era you like becarefull with use trains,see layouts youl get good ideas mery xmas pat n cece
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