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David Dewar		#51 Posted : 15 October 2008 15:28:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,347 Location: Scotland		Good move Nev. I was going to order for Christmas but will now wait until Marklin can produce something that works or buy from another source : ECOS maybe but then again no colour screen. Isnt that Adrian a right smarty pants lol David
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Webmaster		#52 Posted : 15 October 2008 21:03:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,162		Off topic - Well, Adrian has had his share of bad luck with German quality engineering on wheels so he knew...
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xxup		#53 Posted : 16 October 2008 00:21:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,477 Location: Australia		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster <br />Off topic - Well, Adrian has had his share of bad luck with German quality engineering on wheels so he knew... And it cost way more than the CS2...[:(][:(][:(]
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jeehring		#54 Posted : 16 October 2008 02:39:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		well I have seen 6021 failures already .... ( It was not mine )
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jeehring		#55 Posted : 16 October 2008 02:40:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		...and IB failures too...
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Davy		#56 Posted : 16 October 2008 04:28:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		Yep two times already I have seen this happen.
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rschaffr		#57 Posted : 16 October 2008 06:53:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		I had mt 6021 fail, and it was replaced by Marklin (about 1 week shy of the warranty expiration). I also killed my IB, but that was my own stupid fault...I unplugged and replugged a booster while powered up. It has been repaired and returned for a fee, and I had bought another so now I have a spare. No problems with my two MS's. I have had two lok problems...my Superman lok's lights did not work (repaired) and the SDS upgrade to my VT08 burned up (currently in Germany for repair). I guess it does indicate a departure from the old "works first time, every time" we had grown to expect with the old Marklin.
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mmrcnzjohn		#58 Posted : 16 October 2008 11:03:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 558 Location: ,		I think it comes down to an acceptable failure rate. If its 1:1000 while still pretty high consider the small number of items it is probably acceptable. At work we went through 5 HP tape drive in a 2 year period, yet our Australian office had no problems.
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Legless		#59 Posted : 16 October 2008 12:03:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 809 Location: Leopold, Victoria		Sorry to hear what happened Luis, just when you think that M got it together, it go's up in smoke. Hope you get a new replacement fast [:(] Hey Nev, I was looking at the great prices of the CS2 last night, but then, I'll thought wait for a bit more feedback. Boy am I glad. [:I] I'll still going to upgrade the CS1 to V3.0
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nevw		#60 Posted : 16 October 2008 12:28:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Legless <br />Sorry to hear what happened Luis, just when you think that M got it together, it go's up in smoke. Hope you get a new replacement fast [:(] Hey Nev, I was looking at the great prices of the CS2 last night, but then, I'll thought wait for a bit more feedback. Boy am I glad. [:I] I'll still going to upgrade the CS1 to V3.0 thinking same thing. nn
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Goofy		#61 Posted : 16 October 2008 14:48:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,031		too bad about CS2... i´m still thinking about what to buying,CS2 or ESUs new upgrade version with mfx... will ESUs new Ecos upgrade with mfx been there with colour too in the display...? Goofy
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Caplin		#62 Posted : 16 October 2008 15:54:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,497 Location: Denmark		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Legless <br />.....I'll still going to upgrade the CS1 to V3.0 Me too!
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RayF		#63 Posted : 16 October 2008 16:21:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,840 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		I think I'll wait for the CS3.
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tekin65		#64 Posted : 16 October 2008 16:28:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,151 Location: istanbul,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Legless <br />... just when you think that M got it together, it go's up in smoke ... Hi, I think I can allow Märklin a small room of error. I'm sure CS2 problems are easy to correct and M* would fix them rapidly. I plan to buy a controller in 2009 and I hope that it would be CS2, else I will have to buy CS1. Cem.
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Fredrik		#65 Posted : 16 October 2008 17:40:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 642		Hi all, @Luis: Sorry to hear about your CS2... @Goofy: The V 3.0.0 to ECoS (or CS) will NOT bring color - that would require hardware upgrade. I certainly will not upgrade my CS1 to V 3.0.0 (at least not until it's known whether it'll still work together with the CS2 also in V 3.0.0 mode - which I actually doubt, but we'll see).
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laalves		#66 Posted : 16 October 2008 18:14:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by MJ-Teknik <br />Hi all, @Luis: Sorry to hear about your CS2... I certainly will not upgrade my CS1 to V 3.0.0 (at least not until it's known whether it'll still work together with the CS2 also in V 3.0.0 mode - which I actually doubt, but we'll see). Thanks. I'm actually counting on the CS2 and CS1 v3.0 to work together. Why do you think they won't?
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Fredrik		#67 Posted : 16 October 2008 19:11:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 642		It's kind of a feeling...
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steventrain		#68 Posted : 16 October 2008 20:06:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,610 Location: United Kingdom		Welcome to the forum, ciric.
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laalves		#69 Posted : 17 October 2008 13:31:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		Yesterday my 60173 on order arrived (now that I don't have my CS2 [V]) Anyway, I tried it with the CS1, connecting it to a 60125 terminal and it didn't work (locos didn't respond to any command). So, unless there's an alternative way to connect a 60173 to a 60212, they don't work together.
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alonso231gery		#70 Posted : 17 October 2008 13:38:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,957 Location: Hellas (Athens)		Your posts are most valuable Luis, i will need much time so as to buy my CS II, i will watch carefully the beta testers reports. Since you are an experienced MRR person, i wonder why you decided to buy it so early?
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laalves		#71 Posted : 17 October 2008 14:01:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		Because I loved it. When it is working, it's the best controller available. It does have issues, but I'm betting those will be solved by Märklin.
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David Dewar		#72 Posted : 17 October 2008 14:14:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,347 Location: Scotland		Luis Well said. You tell us about the faults but you still like the controller. That is exactly what I and I am sure others want to hear. Well done and hope all is sorted for you soon. David
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Legless		#73 Posted : 17 October 2008 15:22:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 809 Location: Leopold, Victoria		I totally agree.
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SierraDelta		#74 Posted : 17 October 2008 15:49:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 126 Location: Brussels, Belgium		At the risk of being accused of Märklin advertising - let me add that I am very happy with my CS2. This, despite the fact that it will be going back to Göppingen for replacement/repair of the right-side controller soon! A small number of early units apparently have been fitted with faulty controllers that will cause an intermittent, but annoying problem where both left and right controller menus pop up on the screen without user input. This only happens when you control (in my case) the right-side lok by turning the controller, screen-based input on the tacho works perfect at all times. For shunting operations I do prefer the manual control, though. The huge difference for me when comparing CS2 to CS1 is the layout facility, I am already dreading the day when I have to hook up CS1 to my layout while the CS2 is away. @Luis, shouldn't it be possible to connect the 60173 directly to one of the CAN-bus plugs on the 60212? I'll have a look when I get home.
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laalves		#75 Posted : 17 October 2008 15:56:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by SierraDelta <br /> @Luis, shouldn't it be possible to connect the 60173 directly to one of the CAN-bus plugs on the 60212? I'll have a look when I get home. I tried that too, but it didn't work either.
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David Dewar		#76 Posted : 17 October 2008 17:22:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,347 Location: Scotland		Hi Soren Pleased that you like the CS2 but a shame that your also has a fault. (why dont they test these properly) I will order mine if and when they have sorted out the bugs. Hope your is fully working again soon. david
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Fredrik		#77 Posted : 17 October 2008 19:30:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 642		Unfortunately it'll continue like this...! There will always be faulty items as it's not possible for M* (nor anyone else) to test every single item thoroughly. And we are to blame to - as we want to buy the cheapest possible item, therefore those items are produced at the lowest possible cost (I know, I know - the CS2 is not "cheap") in often huge series. Among these there will always be faulty items - may it be a subcomponent, a bad soldering, or anything else. I bet none of us would pay the price a CS 2 would cost should M* make durability tests with each item...! It shall cost (almost) nothing, be capable of everything, have no errors - yet I bet the workers at M* like to get paid as well as do I... I think they came up with a remarkable item, unknown to almost everyone - and it works really, really good! It has it's drawbacks, yes, but most (if not all) are software issues. And in case of hardware malfunction there is always the warranty (I bet no one has passed the warranty-time yet... [8)] ). Off-course it's sad to have to send this (and especially THIS) "toy" back for repair. BUT: As it's now possible to use multiple CS 2:s - why not buy a 2:nd and a 3:rd (Hello M*, I should get commission for this... ) unit - then if one of them has to be sent away, for some reason, you can play with the other one (you can't have that bad luck that 2 units should be faulty). Regarding the 60173 booster - I remember reading somewhere (didn't find it again yet) that it will not work as a mfx-Booster together with the CS1. But I think it could be connected via the terminal and then work as a 6015/6017 booster. Although at the product-page of the booster on M*:s homepage it's stated that it's only suited for use with the CS 2.
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David Dewar		#78 Posted : 17 October 2008 19:51:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,347 Location: Scotland		Hi Fredrick. Sounds good : buy two to make sure one of them will work. The number of faults are too high for any firms goods. No firm tests every item sold as most do not need to do this as their manufacture is of a high standard. The CS2 has been put out to the market too soon and now unitis are being returned and sales lost. However there are lots of good things being said about the unit and I want one but I aint buying two and I want one that works. It is not that we want a cheap item as we are paying a lot for these toys it is that M want to make it as cheaply as possible and sell for a high price. Its the only way they think they can survive but my view is that quality comes first and if we get it then we will pay for it, at least I will. David
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Fredrik		#79 Posted : 17 October 2008 20:07:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 642		What's the number of faulty units? I think I've read about 4 - and mine has serial# 3996 which makes 0.1 % - certainly there will be more out there never heard of. But I'll give you right - it was rushed to the market due to it's discovery on the net...! That's why there probably still are software-issues (like the English keyboard). I don't want a cheap item either - then I'd bought something else - I wanted the best (for me!)! But even at M* the economists rule - and they want as much money as possible, but that's just the world of today, no difference in other business - guess we'll have to live with it. Neither will I buy another one just for the reason of having one of them working - only when I need 2 the 2:nd one is coming. (but off-course i NEED 2!!!! )
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David Dewar		#80 Posted : 17 October 2008 21:59:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,347 Location: Scotland		Hi Fredrik. I think we ahave about 8 buyers on the forum of which three or four have faults. Some more than one fault. I am not even including the one that Luis looked at his dealers which did not work out of the box. We are probably around 30 - 50% failure rate on the forum. Hopefully this is not throughout but we will never know. I will have a look on some of the other forums to see how they are going. The businesses which will survive the present problems are those providing good quality goods at a reasonable price. David
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huttel		#81 Posted : 17 October 2008 22:56:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 274 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by RayPayas <br />I think I'll wait for the CS3. ...or CSI?
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john black		#82 Posted : 18 October 2008 00:14:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by MJ-Teknik <br />CS 2:s - why not buy a 2:nd and a 3:rd unit Good one - reminds me of Jaguar in the 1980s ... [xx(]
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Bigdaddynz		#83 Posted : 18 October 2008 00:31:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,669 Location: New Zealand		Or Lucas, the Prince of Darkness, John. I guess this whole thing with failing CS2 is, don't be an early adopter. In the IT world we have a saying that it is best to wait for SP2 or SP3 of an operating system, rather than doing Microsoft's bug testing for them. Let someone else do that. I'm too busy as it is without getting inundated with support calls. I guess the same thing applies here. It's a shame it happened to a good bloke like Luis.
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john black		#84 Posted : 18 October 2008 00:38:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Yep, BigDaddy - the Prince of Darkness really been something special ... [}:)] BTW, is LUCAS CAV GIRLING still around
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Fredrik		#85 Posted : 18 October 2008 15:43:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 642		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: I guess this whole thing with failing CS2 is, don't be an early adopter. In the IT world we have a saying that it is best to wait for SP2 or SP3 of an operating system, rather than doing Microsoft's bug testing for them. Let someone else do that. But if everyone should let "someone else" do the testing then there's no one to take on the testing there will probably be no SP2/3... I see my early investment in the CS2 as a support to it's further development, and at the same time I'm allowed to be part of the same development. I'm truly sad for those who have gotten faulty units (be it from start or something that happened), but I do expect them to have new/repaired* units a.s.a.p. as I do expect myself to get a new/repaired* unit should mine crash. I also read something about early serial# having faulty knob-controllers. Sad off-course but they are being exchanged (in this case glad I have a fairly high serial#). *= repaired within a month of reception of it in Göppingen, else replacement with a new one.
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SierraDelta		#86 Posted : 18 October 2008 19:27:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 126 Location: Brussels, Belgium		Fredrik, Like you, I don't mind being an early adopter - and of course we will now and then suffer various inconveniences as a result. I am indeed a victim of the "faulty knob-controllers" syndrome with serial# 1900, but that is being dealt with by Göppingen as we speak.
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laalves		#87 Posted : 24 October 2008 00:10:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		It's back! New unit S/N 3571. Hardware version is the same, 3.1, software is 1.02(1) and I haven't been able to update it yet, for some reason.
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hxmiesa		#88 Posted : 24 October 2008 00:14:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,522 Location: Spain		Exactly 10 days! Not bad. Was the speedy solution thanks to your dealer or to Märklin, or maybe to them both? ;-)
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pa-pauls		#89 Posted : 24 October 2008 00:43:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,842 Location: Norway		Nice to hear Luis !
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nevw		#90 Posted : 24 October 2008 01:19:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		great luis. nn
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laalves		#91 Posted : 24 October 2008 02:15:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by hxmiesa <br />Exactly 10 days! Not bad. Was the speedy solution thanks to your dealer or to Märklin, or maybe to them both? ;-) My dealer has full credit. He simply took one out of the second batch (6 units out of 20 on order) he received and gave it to me. No response has been received from Märklin regarding my unit yet.
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mmervine		#92 Posted : 24 October 2008 03:46:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,884 Location: Keene, NH		Luis: I am glad that your dealer took care of you. This is why, if you are lucky enough have a local dealer, you should support them. I wish that we had more dealers here in the US! r/mark
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SierraDelta		#93 Posted : 24 October 2008 10:49:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 126 Location: Brussels, Belgium		Luis, That's encouraging to hear! Full marks to your dealer!
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steventrain		#94 Posted : 24 October 2008 11:43:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,610 Location: United Kingdom		Nice to hear that, Luis.
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Goofy		#95 Posted : 24 October 2008 12:29:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,031		And for second time it´s says:POFFF...! Goofy [}:)]
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laalves		#96 Posted : 24 October 2008 16:01:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		Strange thing happened. Have been repeatedly trying to update my CS2 to 1.05(3) but just can't, despite the fact that the CS2 is responding to pings and has acquired an IP with no problems. However, today the progress bar in the update screen went green all the way to the end and when I shut down, the screen went green for the first time, just like in 1.05(2). The version still reports itself as 1.02(1), though. Weird...
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mascagni		#97 Posted : 24 October 2008 16:18:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 826 Location: Tallahassee, FL USA		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Luis writes: Strange thing happened. Have been repeatedly trying to update my CS2 to 1.05(3) but just can't, despite the fact that the CS2 is responding to pings and has acquired an IP with no problems. However, today the progress bar in the update screen went green all the way to the end and when I shut down, the screen went green for the first time, just like in 1.05(2). The version still reports itself as 1.02(1), though. Weird... Ain't it great being an alpha tester!!--MM
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Goofy		#98 Posted : 24 October 2008 17:29:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,031		Luiz... Are CS2 made in China or Germany...? Goofy
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mascagni		#99 Posted : 24 October 2008 19:54:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 826 Location: Tallahassee, FL USA		Goofy: At some level where the CS2 is made is not that much of an issue. Apple makes most of its hardware in China now, and it is of very high quality. If you choose to manufacture something under your name, you have the responsibility to ultimately control the quality of the product.--MM
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Goofy		#100 Posted : 24 October 2008 22:16:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,031		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mascagni <br />Goofy: At some level where the CS2 is made is not that much of an issue. Apple makes most of its hardware in China now, and it is of very high quality. If you choose to manufacture something under your name, you have the responsibility to ultimately control the quality of the product.--MM I was only asking an question...!!! Goofy [:(!]
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