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Offline nevw  
#101 Posted : 25 October 2008 03:14:45(UTC)
nevw

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quote]Originally posted by Hemmerich


The good thing is that Luis got a new unit back quickly, and I hope this works out similar smooth for all the Søren and Pål, etc.

The best thing which can happen for this forum is to have REAL users sharing their usage and experiences about the CS-II with us.



Lutz, I have a question and will probably be branded a trouble maker.

What is the Difference between REAL users sharing their experiences and users sharing their experiences.

NN
NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
Offline jeehring  
#102 Posted : 25 October 2008 05:37:30(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mascagni
At some level where the CS2 is made is not that much of an issue.

Michael,


The best thing which can happen for this forum is to have REAL users sharing their usage and experiences about the CS-II with us.


I agree .
Untill now we were treated to a big " computing-Bug" Hunting ***, but no reports <u>in situ</u> about a train & layout controller.[|)]
ie pointing to what appears to me as the most clever and clearest interface I have never seen (user-interface) , considering the purpose... ( beating many PC softwares in terms of clarity and many other aspects). How it works with installed layouts and running machines , or S88 ...etc...etc
Unfortunately, I expect to have mine not before Christmas , or early 2009...
Sierra Delta started a nice report...but didn't go far...

*** this is not a personnal attack [:o)] thank you .
Offline mmrcnzjohn  
#103 Posted : 25 October 2008 07:02:37(UTC)
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Personally I think a real user is someone who has one and has used it to operate his trains, rather than someone who has read the manual and is kicking up points were it fails.

The questions I have is really simple:

Is it better than the CS 1?

Actually the other question is whether Marklin will release it in a starter set with Epoch 2b stock. A set with a class 18.1, baggage car and two coaches, a class 38 with 4 freight wagons would be extremly hard if not impossible to resist.

John
Offline SierraDelta  
#104 Posted : 25 October 2008 12:19:17(UTC)
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John,
That's what I think that Lutz was saying as well.Edit: I see that I was correct. For me, the simple answer to your question is yes - very much so. I'll try to make a couple of observations below.

Jehring,
No worries Smile, but one could say reporting has been temporarily suspended while my CS2 is in Göppingen. Anyway, I can still describe a few important things from memory.

I should start by saying that my layout is very much in the early stages of construction and as such I still have a lot of freedom when it comes to selection of addresses for switches etc. I say this because that is one of the differences with CS1 where you could freely chose the address of an accessory - regardless of which of the "Control Area" pages you would place it on. With CS2 you have 20 "Keyboard" pages with 16 addresses available on each, ie. page 1 contains 1 to 16, page 2 contains 17 to 32 and so on. In my case, not a problem at all. I can still easily change addresses if I want to group my accessories according to functionality or placement on the layout, whereas someone with an <s>old</s> well established layout may not be able to do so.

Which then brings me to the biggest change for me - the CS2 Layout section. After setting up the accessories in the Keyboard section and then incorporating them in my Layout pages there has been no need to go back to the Keyboard section for controlling purposes - all switching takes place on the Layout pages. For a fine example of how much can be achieved with this initial version take a look at Steven's work here: http://steventrain.fotopic.net/p54473925.html

The final thing I will mention today is the obvious shift towards the built-in Help function being the primary source of documentation. I think it is fair to say that the included printed material merely serves as an inspirational introduction to all the possibilities that you have with the CS2. To me this is a smart move by Märklin - when new functionality is gradually added to CS2 over the years there will be no need to reprint the manual, this can simply be incorporated in the on-line help.

So much for a bit of additional information I'll be back with more when my CS2 returns. Be advised that I'll be away most of next week
Cheers,
Søren
___________
CS2 60213 version 1.6.4(3)/GFP 1.40
2011 planned purchases - | nothing |
Offline jeehring  
#105 Posted : 25 October 2008 14:47:28(UTC)
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Thank you Sierra Delta
( yes , Steven also starts a report about CS2-train controller )
User is suspended until 24/11/2846 07:19:16(UTC) Bigdaddynz  
#106 Posted : 26 October 2008 14:38:21(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
<br />I hope it is not too "shocking" for you and the forum if I tell you that I saw only two days ago a number of starter sets in one of the largest German dealers shops (ETS) where the CS-I was simply replaced by the CS-II; you can also find such offerings at other places, including ebay. Whether they will still offer new sets in the composition as you describe this year is rather questionable - but 2009 is not very far away anymore. wink


There was one of these sets on ebay that I posted a link to a week or two ago. Somewhat rather expensive though, it was the set with the BR85 and BR55, and worked out to be around NZD 3500, where the original set retails at $1750. I wouldn't worry about John wanting an era II set, just find him a 1985 museum car at a good price and he will be very happy (we are trying to make up the gaps in our club's collection, anyone with a 1985, 86 or 87 museum car for sale, let me know).

Mind you, having said that, a set with class 18.1 and a class 38 could be tempting, even for this era III, IV and V collector....SmileSmile
Offline laalves  
#107 Posted : 26 October 2008 17:37:24(UTC)
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Right, everything back to normal, the CS2 updated today to 1.05(3) and the attached booster to 1.5.

I suspect there may have been an issue with the update server, since it was also today that Märklin put the link "Software updates" in their site for the CS2, even if it is still empty.
Offline jonas_sthlm  
#108 Posted : 26 October 2008 18:17:37(UTC)
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Looks like the home page has crash right now [:o)]
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Offline Goofy  
#109 Posted : 26 October 2008 20:28:54(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by jonas_sthlm
<br />Looks like the home page has crash right now [:o)]


Computer virus... wink

Perhaps there is an ghost in the CS2... biggrin

Goofy
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Offline mascagni  
#110 Posted : 26 October 2008 22:26:32(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Hemmerich wrote:
Originally posted by mascagni:
At some level where the CS2 is made is not that much of an issue.

Michael,

You're completely right, but I'd rather ask: what's the reason (if there is any) for this/such a question?

The good thing is that Luis got a new unit back quickly, and I hope this works out similar smooth for all the Søren and Pål, etc.

The best thing which can happen for this forum is to have REAL users sharing their usage and experiences about the CS-II with us.
Goofy


Lutz and Goofy: I was responding to Goofy who asked about whether the CS2 is made in Germany or China. Clearly the supposition is that the quality works like Germany=Good; China=Bad. The reality is that the industrial base for electronics is very international, and if a company outsources the manufacturing of an electronics part like the CS2 to another company, it is ultimately the responsibility of the company ordering the product to assure quality. So China, Germany, Hungary, Malaysia, USA, Taiwan, Japan, doesn't matter in terms of who bears the corporate responsibility for quality: it's that little company in Goeppingen.--MM
Michael Mascagni, Tallahassee
If I weren't a Mathematician, I'd be a Violinist.--Albert Einstein
Offline jonas_sthlm  
#111 Posted : 26 October 2008 23:27:28(UTC)
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By the way, where did you see that the booster get version 1.5 ?
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Offline laalves  
#112 Posted : 27 October 2008 00:08:34(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by jonas_sthlm
<br />By the way, where did you see that the booster get version 1.5 ?

When the CS2 is updated to 1.05(3), it will update the Track Format Processor of any booster connected to it to version 1.5. They ship with 1.3. I know for certain because that's what my CS2 told me today when it updated to 1.05(3) this morning.
Offline clapcott  
#113 Posted : 27 October 2008 10:37:01(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by laalves
<br />Suddenly, the familiar burning electronics smell, screen out, lights out. That's it. Dead.


Luis,

Could this have been an "electical arcing" smell?

I have determined that the power cable I have has negligible solder used within the plug (CS2 end). With intermitent power offs when moving CS2, I opened the plug to find a bad connection - have resoldered and so far so good.
Peter
Offline nevw  
#114 Posted : 28 October 2008 12:26:41(UTC)
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Lutz I think I am a REAL User and the Unit I got was full of faults and was dead in about 6 hours. It was not ready for release. IF M* knew that the early serial Numbers were faulty they should have withdrawn them from sale.


I will stick with the CS1.
We connected it up and away it went no problems.

NN
NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
Offline Macfire  
#115 Posted : 28 October 2008 20:33:13(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
REAL users


For f***s sake Lutz give it over................
[xx(]
Lord Macca
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Offline laalves  
#116 Posted : 02 November 2008 03:18:12(UTC)
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The queen is dead (not really, just until v3.0 comes and the connection box both come and the CS1 gets relocated to teh Bw area of the layout) long live the queen!
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Offline nevw  
#117 Posted : 02 November 2008 03:47:19(UTC)
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Luis,
let us hope that this one keeps on working.

I have heard that M* have started a recall program on some early units.

N
NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
Offline SierraDelta  
#118 Posted : 11 November 2008 00:20:54(UTC)
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Just as a quick follow-up - and happy end - to my faulty controller problem described earlier in this thread. I got my CS2 back from Göppingen today, well in fact they sent me a brand new replacement unit.

It came with the 1.02 software version loaded, but I had a USB stick with v1.05(3) as well as my last backup from the first unit prepared, so it took me less than 5 minutes to be back in business biggrin

The new unit has serial no. 2944 and has shown no signs of problems during an evenings worth of running.
Cheers,
Søren
___________
CS2 60213 version 1.6.4(3)/GFP 1.40
2011 planned purchases - | nothing |
Offline pa-pauls  
#119 Posted : 11 November 2008 00:34:19(UTC)
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Nice Søren Smile
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Offline mmervine  
#120 Posted : 11 November 2008 00:39:29(UTC)
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Søren:

Glad to hear that Marklin took care of this for you.

r/mark
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Offline steventrain  
#121 Posted : 11 November 2008 15:37:56(UTC)
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Great to hear that.Smile

Marklin is looking after you, Søren.wink
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Offline WelshMatt  
#122 Posted : 11 November 2008 17:18:31(UTC)
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Is the Delta control box an emergency backup? biggrin
Matt from Wales.

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Offline laalves  
#123 Posted : 14 November 2008 01:21:18(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by WelshMatt
<br />Is the Delta control box an emergency backup? biggrin

No, just something lying around. It came with the starterset I bought in 2001 that restarted it all for me.
Offline laalves  
#124 Posted : 14 November 2008 01:23:12(UTC)
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BTW, here's the reply I got when I asked what was wrong with the original CS2 I bought:

Dear Mr Alves,

Thank you very much for your e-mail and your interest in our products.

At the sent Central Station was a defective controller and the touchscreen was not responding.

Sincerely yours,

Your Maerklin Customer Service

Gebr. Maerklin & Cie. GmbH
Customer Service
P.O. Box 960
D-73009 Goeppingen
Phone: +49 7161 608-222
Fax: +49 7161 608-225
E-mail: Service@maerklin.de
Website: www.maerklin.com
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