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Offline mascagni  
#1 Posted : 14 August 2008 15:23:33(UTC)
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Hi: Can one buy a Telex or something functionally like a Telex coupler that you can add onto an existing Maerklin Lok through the NEM coupler pocket? Clearly, you would have to electrically power it, but aside from those complications, is there something?--MM
Michael Mascagni, Tallahassee
If I weren't a Mathematician, I'd be a Violinist.--Albert Einstein
Offline RayF  
#2 Posted : 14 August 2008 15:43:33(UTC)
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Hi Michael,

The 37903 Br V90 has just such telex couplers. I don't know if they are available as spare parts yet.

Ray
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Offline Sander van Wijk  
#3 Posted : 14 August 2008 16:56:24(UTC)
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Hi Michael,

AFAIK these couplers are not available separately, as the control of these couplers requires a special piece of electronics. A similar situation is present for the Roco telex couplers (NEM-pocket based). You might consider the Krois ones. (Website only in German: http://www.krois-modell.at/produkt/digikupp/)


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Offline Sander van Wijk  
#4 Posted : 14 August 2008 17:55:14(UTC)
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Some additional thoughts; on his website, forum member HGH, describes the conversion of a Märklin 30000 to digital with Roco telex couplers, a description (unfortunately again only in German) can be found here: http://hgh-esn.ath.cx/p02_ma_3000x_u.htm


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Offline mascagni  
#5 Posted : 14 August 2008 18:58:17(UTC)
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Ray: If you look at the parts list for the 37903 you see: 117993, Telexkupplung. So there is a part and part number, but the red light is on, so it may not be available. The price was listed at 14,95 €. Let's hope it becomes available soon.

Sander, I also found the HGH page you mentioned, where a Roco Telex coupler was added to a tiny 30000. I guess the Lok already had a decoder, so they added another decoder for this. It seems one could just map a function /AUX output from a more sophisticated decoder to do this.

Thanks.--MM
Michael Mascagni, Tallahassee
If I weren't a Mathematician, I'd be a Violinist.--Albert Einstein
Offline RayF  
#6 Posted : 14 August 2008 19:15:23(UTC)
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Sander, can you clarify what special electronics are needed to activate one of these new telex couplers? I would have thought it could be driven from a decoder function output.

Ray
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Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
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Offline mascagni  
#7 Posted : 14 August 2008 20:40:07(UTC)
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Ray: If you look at the webpage (you have to hunt around):

http://hgh-esn.ath.cx/p02_ma_3000x_u.htm

you will see that a small circuit board, in addition to the decoder, was added to that 30000. That's what he means, I am sure. However, if you were adding a decoder, or had an existing decoder with extra AUX outputs unclaimed, you should be able to hook them up.--MM
Michael Mascagni, Tallahassee
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Offline Sander van Wijk  
#8 Posted : 14 August 2008 20:52:25(UTC)
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Correct, if you would hook up such a small coil as used in those NEM-socket compatible couplers it would simply get fried. Therefore, a special PCB is used in order to limit the time the coil is engaged and, probably, also the current running through it. (That's an assumption by the way, I'm not really sure about that)

HGH indeed offers one of those PCB's. If any translation of the pages is needed, just post the text here, I'll try to clarify. (Or some other, maybe native german speaker, will)
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Offline Pianne  
#9 Posted : 14 August 2008 21:31:37(UTC)
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Sander & all, please elaborate...

As I understand it, you only need the additional pcb when using the roco couplers?
Is it not needed for the (old) Märklin telex couplers? Maybe these have sturdier coils and don't risk getting fried if activated for a (too) long time.

I have converted an old BR86 with a TAMS LD-W-2 decoder and 5* motor. In this decoder, you can program the maximum time the telex output delivers full current, after that the current going through the coil is limited. It's called a 'kick' function.
Works well in the old BR86: The hook flips up with full juice and after about 1 second, the current is limited but is still enough to hold the hook up (you can actually hear when the limiter kicks in).
Unfortunately, the TAMS decoder does not perform as well when it comes to driving characteristics[:(], so I'm thinking of replacing it. Are there any other decoders out there which have this 'kick' function and perform better for motor control? Or can I just use a lokpilot and wire the telex coils directly to the decoder output?

Also, I just checked my BR50 (from digital starter set) and it has a newer type telex coupler which looks a lot like the roco type. Would this coupler require a special pcb to protect it? Mine came digital from factory, so I don't know what type of decoder is used and if it has telex coil protection.

Kind regards,
Pieter-Jan
Bruges, Belgium.
Offline mascagni  
#10 Posted : 14 August 2008 21:38:07(UTC)
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Pieter-Jan, I would look at the LokPilot manual, which is online. It has so many settings you can play with that I would be very surprised if you couldn't directly program an output to do this for you.--MM
Michael Mascagni, Tallahassee
If I weren't a Mathematician, I'd be a Violinist.--Albert Einstein
Offline mascagni  
#11 Posted : 14 August 2008 21:45:14(UTC)
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Pieter-Jan, Your question convinced me to look at the LokPilot manual, and in section 12.3.1 gives the different types of outputs you can assign to a function and they include (quoted):

• Pulse: output turns off automatically after a certain time. This is ideal for Telex un-couplers.
• Coupler function: for controlling couplers by Krois® and ROCO®

So you should be able to sue an inexpensive LokPilot to do this.--MM
Michael Mascagni, Tallahassee
If I weren't a Mathematician, I'd be a Violinist.--Albert Einstein
Offline Sander van Wijk  
#12 Posted : 14 August 2008 23:59:29(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Pianne
<br />Sander & all, please elaborate...

As I understand it, you only need the additional pcb when using the roco couplers?
Is it not needed for the (old) Märklin telex couplers? Maybe these have sturdier coils and don't risk getting fried if activated for a (too) long time.




Partly true, the additional "timer" PCB is not needed with the older, more sturdy Märklin coils. The newer type Telex that comes on the BR 50 however, does need a PCB, which is build in in those models. (Easily recognizable, a small rectangular PCB of about 4 cm2 with a rather big capacitor on it)


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Offline Pianne  
#13 Posted : 15 August 2008 00:56:23(UTC)
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Michael, sander,

Thanks for this very usefull info. I'll try the lokpilot.
Kind regards,
Pieter-Jan
Bruges, Belgium.
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