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Offline Rajnish  
#1 Posted : 13 July 2008 20:20:07(UTC)
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Hello,

I was wondering whether there is a reason that Marklin has never produced a model of the Swiss SBB Re 6/6 locomotive. PLease correct me if I am wrong but I can't seem to find any Re 6/6 model from Marklin. Thanks again.

Will it be possible to make a consist Re 10/10 using Re 6/6 from HAG and the Re 4/4 II from Marklin? Both the locos, will have ESU digital decoders. I appreciate your invaluable insights.

Rajnish
Offline spitzenklasse  
#2 Posted : 13 July 2008 22:02:41(UTC)
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I do not think they ever have. I think Fleischmann may have in the seventies. Probably H.A.G. for sure.
Offline Unholz  
#3 Posted : 13 July 2008 22:05:52(UTC)
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You are right: Marklin has so far not produced a model of the Re 6/6. The reason is probably simply that Marklin thinks that the competition (HAG, Roco and Lima) has more or less flooded the market with such models for many years and that it would be difficult to create a big sales success at this stage.

You could certainly form an Re 6/6 consist with Marklin and HAG models, but in my opinion it would take some fine tuning of both locos to make them run exactly at the same speed and with identical behavior on gradients. Although more expensive, it might be easier to buy one of the Re 10/10 sets offered by HAG.
Offline al_pignolo  
#4 Posted : 14 July 2008 01:00:46(UTC)
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But... there could be also a Re 10/10 pack with a motorised loco and a "dummy", as M* did in the past for other locomotives!
Pietro
Offline mbarreto  
#5 Posted : 14 July 2008 01:07:33(UTC)
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Hi all,
Swiss train whishes:

Yes, I agree it was good Marklin have a Re6/6. And yes, of course the first
model should come with full sound and not only a horn sound!!
Also the Re 4/4 II should have Soft-Drive and full sound!
There are also several loks from the LBS that run today in brown colour (i don´t remeber the name) that
Roco has i would like Marklin have.


Best regards,
Miguel
Mostly Märklin H0.


Offline TimR  
#6 Posted : 14 July 2008 02:42:54(UTC)
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Reason why they haven't come out with one?
I would say they haven't bothered with new tooling for Re 6/6, with its unusual Bo-Bo-Bo axle configuration.

But as Lutz said, the fact that they haven't made one till now will only mean that should they come out with one - it will have the new SDS propulsion.
I don't think from now on they will ever be bothered to invest in a new tooling model with five pole motor layout. Five poles, I think will be constrained to models with older toolings that Marklin thought are "not ready" yet to get the new SDS. Probably because these models are still popular "as is" and there would be no point of introducing new tooling for SDS if they don't get any return on their investment.

A Marklin Re 6/6 will certainly be at the top of my list [:p], as this is one of the few gaps still missing in their lineups.
Let's hope there is a slim chance that it would come out in 2009 new models.
That said, I agree with you, Miguel.
I think Marklin should develop SDS Re 4/4 II in the near future,
seeing that even the new Re 4/4 I already equipped with one.
Now collecting C-Sine models.
Offline mbarreto  
#7 Posted : 14 July 2008 04:19:54(UTC)
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Sorry the mistake in my last append. I mean BLS and not LBS.
Also the brown loks i was refering have Re 4/4 as designation.

Regards
Best regards,
Miguel
Mostly Märklin H0.


Offline mike c  
#8 Posted : 14 July 2008 08:21:10(UTC)
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As one of the previous writers stated, the reason that Maerklin has not produced a model of the Re 6/6 is likely due to the BO-BO-BO configuration.
If you are looking to model a Re 10/10, you can opt for either one of the HAG Sets or use a Roco Re 6/6 with another brand's Re 4/4. The reason for this is that the Roco Re 4/4II represents the first series with only one panto, which are not used for freight traffic. I had suggested that Roco produce a model of 11350 (ex-SOB 41), which was the prototype for the Re 4/4III and did come from the first series.
The easiest option for a Maerklin modeller to have a Re 10/10 would probably be to buy a second generation Re 6/6 from Lima, remove the motor and operate as a dummy.
Typical long Gotthard Freight trains (1960-1975) might have had two Ae 6/6 at the front, with a third one about 1/3 of the way into the consist.
This can be replicated using Maerklin models, but I would recommend removing the motor from the third lok, so that you do not encounter problems with signals and speed changes.
I have 8 Maerklin Re 4/4IIs, 4 Ae 6/6s, 10 Re 460/465s. I also have 4 Roco Re 4/4IIs, 3 Roco Re 6/6s as well as 2 Hag Re 4/4IIs, 4 Hag Re 6/6s and 10 Hag Re 460s. I also have Hag SOB and BT loks, Re 450s, BDe 4/4s and Roco SOB loks and assorted Re 482/484/485/185s.
They are all high quality loks. I am very pleased with all of them and they all run problem free.
If you cannot find a model because one manufacturer does not make it, just check out the other brands. You will not be disappointed.
As far as BLS stock, Roco just released a model of the latest variant of the Ae 4/4. Rivarossi has a limited edition metal model of the BLS Re 4/4. They are worth looking into.
All of my models are as troublefree if not better than my Maerklin loks. Sorry Lutz, but in my collection, M has a higher rate of returned loks than Hag or Roco.

Regards

Mike C
Offline TimR  
#9 Posted : 14 July 2008 12:43:11(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mike c
<br />I have 8 Maerklin Re 4/4IIs, 4 Ae 6/6s, 10 Re 460/465s. I also have 4 Roco Re 4/4IIs, 3 Roco Re 6/6s as well as 2 Hag Re 4/4IIs, 4 Hag Re 6/6s and 10 Hag Re 460s. I also have Hag SOB and BT loks, Re 450s, BDe 4/4s and Roco SOB loks and assorted Re 482/484/485/185s.
They are all high quality loks. I am very pleased with all of them and they all run problem free.


That's a great collection, Mike..Cool

Personally, I won't wait until Marklin finally decide that they need to make an Re 6/6.
I'm planning to get the HAG version in the near future.
Now collecting C-Sine models.
Offline steventrain  
#10 Posted : 14 July 2008 12:47:08(UTC)
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Very good and nice Collection, Mike.
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Offline nevw  
#11 Posted : 14 July 2008 12:47:13(UTC)
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Mike ,
(Envy Mode on) Lovely collection (envy mode off) biggrinbiggrinbiggrin

May have to be a future purchase.
NN
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and a hose pipe on the aorta
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Offline Guus  
#12 Posted : 14 July 2008 13:47:18(UTC)
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I would appreciate a Märklin version of the Re 6/6,especially so if the same degree of detailing is applied as with their Re 4/4II.
That said, I think Märklin has to come up with a really nice design in order to compete with, for example ,the excellent HAG Re 6/6.

The funny thing is that the lack of a Re 6/6 in Märklins program, made me decide to purchase my first HAG locomotive-a Re 6/6 wink- some years ago. Well you know how the story goes on from that point. Although my collection of HAG isn't as large as Mike's I have a fair collection of them by now, among others 3 Re 6/6s.

Kind regards
Guus

Kind regards,
Guus
Offline chrisisrang  
#13 Posted : 14 July 2008 15:00:06(UTC)
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Hi!

I think it is poor product marketing and planing at Marklin that they have not released an Re 6/6 model over the years, especially since Switzerland is one of their biggest market outside Germany.

I am sure there are several Marklin purists (not because they consider the brands any less comparable), who have been eagerly looking forward to this wonderful model to be added to their collection. In addition, an Re 6/6 will equally appeal to Marklin fans that have been buying HAG and ROCO Re 6/6 locos over the years.

I don't think the BO-BO-BO configuration is that big a product design challenge that Marklin has not been able to tackle over the years. The problem perhaps stems from the fact that many times Marklin despite being a 150 year old institution is a fairly inward looking company.

The HAG 36006-31 is an excellent Re 10/10 Cargo model consist. I am excited about my first acquisition of HAG. Spielwaren Stucki is offering the standard model for CHF 1,025 while the mfx version is available for CHF 1,125 (Euro 695) - a pretty neat price for the two locos.'

Cheers,

Chris
Offline mike c  
#14 Posted : 15 July 2008 03:38:21(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich

Unfortunately todays most popular Re4/4 (Re425) version which not only you would like to see as a new model is yet to be announced by ROCO - or even Märklin. wink

UserPostedImage


As I stated in an earlier posting, a new model of the BLS Re 425 (Re 4/4) will be coming from Rivarossi this year with a metal frame and body, as opposed to the last Lima model from the 1990s.

Hag also manufactures a BLS Re 4/4, but it is one of the slightly overdimensioned "old generation" models.

For those who have a bigger budget, a model was also announced by HRF.

@Chris

You should be able to find a better price for the 36006-31 than CHF 1025.-. Try here for example:
http://www.tee-usa.com/store/product7396.html
AC DigitalUS$790.56

You should also check the prices at Helmut's Hobbies. German stores who provide VAT exemptions also may have good prices on HAG.

Regards

Mike C
Offline chrisisrang  
#15 Posted : 15 July 2008 04:51:06(UTC)
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Thanks Mike. I had looked at TEE-USA / Eurolokshop prices and they are unbelievably competitve. I was wondering that their prices are too competitive to be true!! Have you had any experience dealing with them in the past? Any good or bad experiences that you can share will be much appreciated. There is quite a big price difference between what the Swiss dealers are offering and what some of the dealers in the US are offering.

My dealer in Frankfurt has stopped dealing with HAG so I will have to depend on the US or the Swiss dealers for HAG.

Cheers,

Chris
Offline jonquinn  
#16 Posted : 15 July 2008 05:02:14(UTC)
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no complaints about TEE-USA here. I have had good service.
Offline mike c  
#17 Posted : 16 July 2008 22:43:17(UTC)
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Chris,

The reason for this price difference is that at the time many of these items were ordered, the US Dollar had a higher exchange rate with the Swiss Franc. 1 CHF was the equivalent of 84 cents.
Today, the Swiss Franc is worth about par. For a lok that costs 975 CHF, the exchange back then would have been about $820. When you factor in the removal of the Swiss VAT, you then arrive at the price being charged by TEE USA

Get these items while they are there. The next batch will come at an exchange rate of 1:1 and will be similarly priced to the Swiss shops.

Regards

Mike C
Offline chrisisrang  
#18 Posted : 17 July 2008 07:47:27(UTC)
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Thanks Jon and Mike for your feedback on Eurolok.

Mike the US$ - CHF exchange rate definitely is making a fairly significant difference in price. I spoke with the Eurolok last night and they said that the new shipments in September will come in at a much higher price, at least in the range of 10-15% more. I am definitely eager to pick up the coaches which are quite nicely priced.

Thank you so much once again for your insights and opinions. Much appreciated.

Cheers,

Chris
Offline al_pignolo  
#19 Posted : 17 July 2008 08:30:08(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by chrisisrang
<br />


I don't think the BO-BO-BO configuration is that big a product design challenge that Marklin has not been able to tackle over the years. The problem perhaps stems from the fact that many times Marklin despite being a 150 year old institution is a fairly inward looking company.


Chris, I agree with you. Many Roco and Lima models have Bo'Bo'Bo' configuraton without problems, and I don't think this would be a problem for Marklin.
In the prototype, the reason for choosing this configuration for a 6-axle loco is on the less attrition of the track compared with Co'Co', if you run at a quite high speed in winding tracks.
At least, this is the reason why FS choosed it for many locomotives, but thinking at swiss mountains I believe that SBB had the same reason!

Pietro
Offline chrisisrang  
#20 Posted : 24 October 2008 09:32:25(UTC)
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Hi!

Can someone help confirm whether an Re 10/10 Swiss consist can have either of Re 420 / Re 421 connected to Re 6/6 or does it always have to be Re 6/6 and Re 420?

Although the second question is not entirely relevant to this forum, it will be great if someone has the information and they can help confirm the facts. Are the pantographs on HAG model Re 421 Cargo different from those on the Re 420 moodel? I know the handrail under the windscreen is prototypically reflected on the two models. Thank you very much for your insights in advance.

Cheers,

Chris
Offline Rajnish  
#21 Posted : 24 October 2008 22:35:26(UTC)
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Hello Chris,
I believe it will be prototypically correct to pair Re 6/6 and any variatn of Re 4/4II when running the consist within Switzerland. I believe the pantos on HAG model Re 420 and Re 421 are identical. Hope this helps.
regards, Rajnish
Offline steventrain  
#22 Posted : 25 October 2008 14:25:17(UTC)
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Nice pictures.

Thanks for sharing, Lutz.Smile
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#23 Posted : 25 October 2008 16:36:41(UTC)
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My books on these locomotives, list only the typical designations of Re 6/6 or Re 4/4 etc.
I guess that Re 420 etc. is a new numbering system?
Is there a table somewhere describing the old/new class designations?
Thanks in advance.
regards
Kimball
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Offline Guus  
#24 Posted : 25 October 2008 19:25:36(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by kimballthurlow
<br />My books on these locomotives, list only the typical designations of Re 6/6 or Re 4/4 etc.
I guess that Re 420 etc. is a new numbering system?
Is there a table somewhere describing the old/new class designations?
Thanks in advance.
regards
Kimball

Hi Kimball,

Yes that's correct there is a new numbering system. The original speed classification designator-the first letter- has been retained, however the numbering underwent the biggest change. The first number in the computerised numbering system means the amount of axles the rest can be found on this site:

http://www.lokifahrer.ch/Lokomotiven/bezeichnungen.htm

Sorry in German only, however from a Swiss engineer!

Kind regards
Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline Seetal  
#25 Posted : 25 October 2008 20:13:35(UTC)
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Thank you all so much for this topic. A real gem. And the pictures are fantastic, showing both versions.

Mike and Lutz please feel free to show more pictures. Real eye candy.

John
Offline Unholz  
#26 Posted : 25 October 2008 22:20:52(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
IMHO, the produced version however was delivered correct with SBB/DB pantos like the Märklin models (#37345 and 29481), same as for the current Re421 model #16040 (421 372-4).


This is basically correct. For those HAG models which prototypically ran or still run in Germany (for instance the early model of the red Re 4/4 II 11196 or the Cargo Re 421's mentioned by Lutz), HAG provides one SBB and one DB single-arm pantograph. However, the difference actually only consists in a wider "contact plate" on top of the DB panto (it is not a real red DB-type panto).
Offline bmcrae  
#27 Posted : 26 October 2008 00:52:21(UTC)
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Love those Swiss photos! wink
Offline kimballthurlow  
#28 Posted : 26 October 2008 02:21:42(UTC)
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Hi Guus,
Thankyou very much for the link, that makes it easy to understand. That is a very comprehensive website, I will find it increasingly useful as Märklin bring out new models.
For some reason the Märklin 26544 CISAlpino passenger set and loco has stirred my interest in Swiss stuff, and I am considering purchasing one.
So the topics on this site have given me a lot of information about that and related stuff.
Märklin have a habit of getting you interested in models you had never previously thought of. Good business.
I normally model era III of the DB, steam etc.
regards
Kimball
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Offline Guus  
#29 Posted : 26 October 2008 02:37:48(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by kimballthurlow
<br />Hi Guus,
Thankyou very much for the link, that makes it easy to understand. That is a very comprehensive website, I will find it increasingly useful as Märklin bring out new models.
For some reason the Märklin 26544 CISAlpino passenger set and loco has stirred my interest in Swiss stuff, and I am considering purchasing one.
So the topics on this site have given me a lot of information about that and related stuff.
Märklin have a habit of getting you interested in models you had never previously thought of. Good business.
I normally model era III of the DB, steam etc.
regards
Kimball


Hi Kimball,

You're welcome.
I know what you mean. It is with quite some difficulty that I try to restrict my choice of models to only a few eras and rail operators.

Hoping for a Märklin Re 6/6,
Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline intruder  
#30 Posted : 26 October 2008 16:10:41(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus

Hoping for a Märklin Re 6/6,


I second that!
Best regards Svein, Norway
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Offline Guus  
#31 Posted : 26 October 2008 22:29:47(UTC)
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Hi Lutz,

Thank you for the very detailed information on the pantographs.

Kind regards
Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline Rajnish  
#32 Posted : 27 October 2008 02:45:41(UTC)
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Hi! Lutz,

Thank you very much for the extremely detailed and comprehensive information on the pantos deployed on Re 421/ Re 420 locos.

Does anyone know how does HAG/ Marklin show the air-conditioning (Klimaanlage)system on Re 4/4II models versus those models that do not have them? Is the system moulded into the roof or a separately applied plastic part? Thank you very much once again for your invaluable insights.

Cheers,

Rajnish
Offline mike c  
#33 Posted : 27 October 2008 06:08:22(UTC)
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Maerklin has not yet released a model of the Re 4/4II or Re 421 with the new air conditioning equipment on the left sides of the lok.

Hag has released a model of the Re 4/4II with this modification, which is a separately applied plastic piece. I understand that on the Re 6/6 (620), the A/C unit is merely printed on the lok shell.

Roco's Re 4/4II and Re 6/6 have not yet been produced with the A/C unit, although KML (ex Roco CH) have released special models for the Swiss market with printed on A/C based on repainted overstock of earlier releases.

The Hag lok with A/C is very nice, and if you are interested, it was recently listed at Eurolokshop at a very good price.

Regards

Mike C
Offline Rajnish  
#34 Posted : 27 October 2008 06:38:10(UTC)
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Thanks Mike. Is the airconditioning equipment supposed to show-up only on the left side of the loco on the Re 4/4II? Do you have a photo of the HAG Re 4/4II loco with the new airconditioning equipment that you can share?

When you say that HAG Re 6/6 loco models merely have the equipment printed on them, does that statement refer to all the variants of Re 6/6 including the Cargo versions such as Muri and Regensdorf? Thanks a bunch once again for your insights.

Cheers,

Rajnish
Offline Guus  
#35 Posted : 27 October 2008 16:12:26(UTC)
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Here's another picture of the Re 4/4 II with airconditioning:


UserPostedImage

11278

More photos and information on the various Re 4/4 II/ III ; Re 420/421 types:
http://www.trainweb.org/re2/Variantes%20Re2_E.htm

Kind regards
Guus

Edited by moderator 11 January 2011 19:52:29(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Kind regards,
Guus
Offline Guus  
#36 Posted : 27 October 2008 16:45:32(UTC)
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Hi Lutz,

Once again great photos on a very interesting topic.

At first glance the pantograph of the RoCo model looks a lot like Sommerfeldts type 944.

Is this pure coincidence or are Sommerfeldt's pantographs used as standard equipment on RoCo/HAG/Märklin?

Kind regards
Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline mmervine  
#37 Posted : 28 October 2008 01:40:20(UTC)
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Great pictures...I need a trip to Switzerland!
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Offline mike c  
#38 Posted : 28 October 2008 04:39:54(UTC)
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Regarding the idea of a Maerklin model of a Re 6/6, I think that we must first consider that it is likely that Maerklin will first produce a model of the second series of the Re 4/4I, probably also one in the TEE colours to go with this year's TEE Bavaria coach set.
At the same time, we will likely see SDS models of the Re 4/4II and Ae 6/6 with white LEDs and sound in the near future.
The Re 6/6 offers limited variants (green/red and round/halogen headlights). Unlike the Re 4/4II, there are no other railroads and only very limited special liveries that can be modelled.
I would also expect to see the Centralbahn models of the Re 4/4I to be released, possibly as a MHI or special edition.
The other model that it might be interesting to see with SDS propulsion would be the RBe 4/4-RBe 540.
I have both Roco and Hag Re 6/6 models and am very pleased with all of them.

Regards

Mike C
Offline Guus  
#39 Posted : 28 October 2008 16:23:57(UTC)
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Your information on the pantographs is much appreciated,thanks Lutz.

Here are my three Re 6/6s the right one an old HAG 207 needs modification:

UserPostedImage








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HAG 207 Balerna roadnumber 11672 |modified with ESU Lokpilot 3.0





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HAG 20 008 31 Re 6/6 5000th rail vehicle roadnumber 11613





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HAG 203/2 ; two engined model |Muri Cargo roadnumber 620 033-1





UserPostedImage


Kind regards
Guus

Kind regards,
Guus
Offline alonso231gery  
#40 Posted : 25 February 2009 23:28:49(UTC)
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Excellent models,Guus, you have many lovely HAG items there.
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I'm looking for the owner of that horse. He's tall, blonde, he smokes a cigar, and he's a pig!
Offline Brakepad  
#41 Posted : 25 February 2009 23:45:16(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich[...]you can now also find some of them with Faiselay Cx pantos, which were especially installed for testing on the high-speed links/tunnels. Here for example a combination of both on another of my favorite locos.[...]


They are not Faiselay but Faiveley. I know it very well. I work for them...
check out http://maerklin-back-on-track.blogspot.com if you like to see how old Märklin locos are brought back into life! (in spanish by the moment)
Offline river6109  
#42 Posted : 26 February 2009 12:07:10(UTC)
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I thought Märklin new items for 2009 have included a Re 10/10
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Offline Guus  
#43 Posted : 26 February 2009 12:43:29(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by river6109
<br />I thought Märklin new items for 2009 have included a Re 10/10


Hi John,

You're right it's product number # 37320 and there's a Re 6/6, or rather Re 620, in Cargo livery as well # 37321.

Hope these interesting models will still be produced after all that talk about production rationalisation.

Kind regards
Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline river6109  
#44 Posted : 26 February 2009 13:23:46(UTC)
river6109

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I appreciate Märklin's effort to produce more Swiss locos.
I think, the deep affection for Swiss models lies in many modelers, therefore Märklin has ignored the potential market in the past.
The same goes for the variety of Austrian locos.
Kleinbahn, Liliput and Roco have produced a variety of Austrian locos and Roco more on the electric variety.
We have had a considerable amount of Swiss locos.
Old 3014 Re 4/4 I
Red Arrow,
Re 4/4IV
Ae 3/6
Ae 6/6
Ae 8/14
Ce 6/8
Be 6/8
Gottardo,
Grey mouse,
Re 460
Re 465
Re 4/4 II
Am 842
Am 4/4
Ee 3/3
Br 482
BLS 485
De 6/6
Re 4/4 I
Series 474
Is it also a factor for modelers, the design of a loco ? e.g 460, 465.
I also believe Swiss steam locos have been left behind as models.

regards.,
John
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Offline mike c  
#45 Posted : 26 February 2009 20:53:10(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by river6109
<br />I appreciate Märklin's effort to produce more Swiss locos.
I think, the deep affection for Swiss models lies in many modelers, therefore Märklin has ignored the potential market in the past.
The same goes for the variety of Austrian locos.
Kleinbahn, Liliput and Roco have produced a variety of Austrian locos and Roco more on the electric variety.
We have had a considerable amount of Swiss locos.
Old 3014 Re 4/4 I
Red Arrow,
Re 4/4IV
Ae 3/6
Ae 6/6
Ae 8/14
Ce 6/8
Be 6/8
Gottardo,
Grey mouse,
Re 460
Re 465
Re 4/4 II
Am 842
Am 4/4
Ee 3/3
Br 482
BLS 485
De 6/6
Re 4/4 I
Series 474
Is it also a factor for modelers, the design of a loco ? e.g 460, 465.
I also believe Swiss steam locos have been left behind as models.

regards.,
John

There was the EB3/5 Steamer and the SOB Re 446 and Kof loks, not to mention the Cisalpino (Hobby) Re 484 from the 26544 Set.

Roco made a model of the C5/6 and Liliput had a model of the A3/5 Steamer and the "Tigerli" if I remember correctly.

Of course HAG has a large selection of Swiss electrics and there are many small companies producing handmade models.

What I would still like to see from Maerklin is:

1) Re 4/4III (11351-11370)
2) Re 420 (Re 4/4II) Cargo Inland
3) Re 4/4I (10027-10050) Green
4) Re 4/4I TEE

With the correct railings and markings of course

Regards

Mike C
















Offline intruder  
#46 Posted : 05 March 2009 00:49:58(UTC)
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A small contribution regarding Swiss locos:

UserPostedImage
1/100s f3,5, 11.363 and 11.664

UserPostedImage
1/50s f2,8, 11.336 and 11.683, as far as I can see from the original high resolution photo

They were shot in Lavorgo on the Gottard Bahn, July 20th 2006, at 1914 and 2020.

None of the photos were planned, so the quality is not so good.
The first was taken while we left our car next to the roadside hotel.
The second one came very quickly while the FD and I had a nice outdoor dinner at the hotel.

We were actually very surprised about the high speed the trains had, after the steep climb up to Lavorgo.
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Offline river6109  
#47 Posted : 05 March 2009 12:43:10(UTC)
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Nice photos,
I'd like to get some Re 4/4 to make up a 10/10

regards.,
John
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Offline intruder  
#48 Posted : 05 March 2009 12:49:50(UTC)
intruder

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I need a Re 6/6 to do the same, John
Best regards Svein, Norway
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Offline river6109  
#49 Posted : 06 March 2009 15:33:48(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
<br />Next year again. wink

whats next year again ?confused
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Offline Guus  
#50 Posted : 06 March 2009 16:29:46(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by river6109
<br />
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
<br />Next year again. wink

whats next year again ?confused


The production of the Re 6/6 is postponed till 2010 John.

See also: https://www.marklin-user...ult.aspx?g=posts&t=12465

Kind regards
Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
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