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Offline hjg2y  
#1 Posted : 10 June 2008 04:24:38(UTC)
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A few questions on the Mikado:
First it seems to have a slower top speed than my other Marklin Locomotives, is this normal?

I have a Mobile Station controller and the bell function seems to map to the same function as the acceleration/breaking delay key. Is there a way to separate these two functions?

Thank you
Offline foumaro  
#2 Posted : 10 June 2008 10:05:45(UTC)
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This level of speed is set from Marklin,you can change it.The type of the motor each loco have is not the same,so you can see many
differences between the locos.I hope i help you a little,wellcome
to the forum,you gonna find answers here for every question you
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Offline BeginnR  
#3 Posted : 10 June 2008 12:16:45(UTC)
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Hello and Welcome to this forum !

Congrats - great engine you have. I have one myself and I 'm very enthusiastic about it.

Great performance - silent, powerfull, very good slow-running (and thus switching) characteristics ... I wish M would build more Lokos with that motor.
But the sound ... only one stroke instead of two ... I'll guess it that certain bitterness a M-Guy has to live with ...but as far as I remember there was a way to get two-zylinder-sound ... here's the link :
http://www.ad-soft.ch/mo...diverses/dip9_dip10.html

There it says use dip9 to alter the lok-sound from two to four-zylinder, which should better be from one to two cylinder-sound.

Afaik the engine has an 60901-design like decoder.

Regarding top speed - yepp, its a bit slower than the "usual" engines. You can use the potis on the decoder to raise/lower speed and accelerating/breaking-delay. You'll get to it by lifting the coal-inlay of the tender - its an easy access even for a clumsy guy like me.

regarding function-mapping with ms - afaik, no way. Function-Mapping is neither supported by the ms nor by the decoder - if the decoder is a 60901-kind-of-thingie. If it should happen to be a mfx-dec than, I guess, it should be possible to do the function mapping via Software. I.e. you need a computer-interface and software ... the ms will not you help 'cause of missing interface.

The mixture of functions like combining bell and acceleration/breaking-delay to me seemed somekind of strange - until I got aware of some railroad - rules. Some of them (they differ from railroad to railroad) say that, while switching, bell has to be turned on for warning-purposes. Now this function-mixture makes sense to me - switching with a/b-delay off for those switching movements. For warning on crossings whistle should be used. If you like to use the bell, too - no problem. Hit F4 and off you go while dashing accross the crossing, afterwards another hit on F4 and you'll have the a/b-delay back.

Have fun with the good ol' mike !
Greetings from Cologne
René
Offline dntower85  
#4 Posted : 10 June 2008 16:54:07(UTC)
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Yes the bell sounds when in when in shunting mode, I guess they thought it was only used for moving cars around. All though in most US operations it is also used when entering and leaving a station, and thats when it would be nice to have the smooth breaking and acceleration. It was a way to get more out of a cheaper decoder.
try to set the speed faster, mine seems to run at a decent rate, not out of scale fast like my old analog BR 24 that I converted to digital but it is has a good rate. its one of my favorite models.
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Offline steventrain  
#5 Posted : 10 June 2008 18:57:48(UTC)
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Welcome to the forum, Harold.Smile
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Offline soren36  
#6 Posted : 10 June 2008 19:52:32(UTC)
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Welcome to the forum, Harold. Mikado may have a few quirks compared to other M* locos, but she is also a favorite of mine. Enjoy her!
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Offline ulf999  
#7 Posted : 10 June 2008 21:09:37(UTC)
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Welcome to the forum. 'Mike' is one of my favorites :)
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Online H0  
#8 Posted : 11 June 2008 02:12:25(UTC)
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Hi!
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by hjg2y
<br />I have a Mobile Station controller and the bell function seems to map to the same function as the acceleration/breaking delay key. Is there a way to separate these two functions?

With a soldering iron you can disable one of those two functions ...
... or asign the bell sound to a different function output.
I daren't do that.

Maybe add a second decoder and switch the bell sound with a secondary address.
Regards
Tom
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Offline hjg2y  
#9 Posted : 12 June 2008 03:00:44(UTC)
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Thanks for all your replies. I am new to the world of Marklin, having only recently started collecting now that my children are old enough to enjoy model railroading. It seems there is a treasure trove of information here and I look forward to visiting this forum in the future.

Cheers.
Offline intruder  
#10 Posted : 12 June 2008 03:36:36(UTC)
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Welcome to us, Harold.
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Offline hjg2y  
#11 Posted : 16 June 2008 04:14:33(UTC)
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Are there any diagrams that show what the adjustable screws do on the decoder?

Thanks.
Offline john black  
#12 Posted : 21 June 2008 20:06:21(UTC)
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Hi Harold - here come your manual, ready to go ...
Since she isn't that fast you can set top speed to MAX, anyway. Definitely prototypically [^]
And please don't mind about my address #6 (since she's an H6 that address was just logical ...)

Welcome to the forum, have fun Smile
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Offline hjg2y  
#13 Posted : 24 June 2008 06:45:11(UTC)
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Thanks!

Harold

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black
<br />Hi Harold - here come your manual, ready to go ...
Since she isn't that fast you can set top speed to MAX, anyway. Definitely prototypically [^]
And please don't mind about my address #6 (since she's an H6 that address was just logical ...)

Welcome to the forum, have fun Smile
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Offline rhtastro  
#14 Posted : 24 June 2008 08:15:28(UTC)
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hjq2y and John Black, well done and nuf said. I raised the speed of my Mike after the first run. It was a little slower than I was used to. I also always change the code to fit my system. However, the real Mike is also a little slow in reality. I've worked and been on one and it's a beautiful little steamer and is also quite strong. bob
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Offline john black  
#15 Posted : 24 June 2008 21:53:14(UTC)
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Thanks, Bob Smile - hey, tell us more about your experience with the real McCoy ...
You are welcome, Harold Smile

BTW, I got all settings plus a myriad of pics also on the F7, PA-1, GG-1 and BIGBOY. Just in case ...
And we better take good care of them. Since new release of US-locos by M in the future is questionable [xx(]
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Offline dntower85  
#16 Posted : 24 June 2008 23:01:03(UTC)
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In the diagram that John posted under the adjusting the volume section it has a note that says "Adjusting volume, the circuits in the tender can generate a certain level of warmth without damaging the latter."

I wonder what that "certain level of warmth" limit is? I always fear cooking down a circuit board.
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Offline john black  
#17 Posted : 25 June 2008 00:10:51(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by dntower85
<br />I wonder what that "certain level of warmth" limit is?
I always fear cooking down a circuit board.

Fully agree, Darrin. Perhaps "certain level" got the same meaning as "serious member" ...
Guess we'll only know when the board is "well-done" ... biggrin[}:)]
And that's when their manual comes in. <u>Certainly</u> (sic!) dooms any warranty issues right from the start [xx(]
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Offline rhtastro  
#18 Posted : 25 June 2008 23:09:33(UTC)
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Hey John, re: my experiences with the real McCoy (Mikado) During the 90's I was able to help out at the Sumpter Valley RR in far Eastern Oregon. It's a tourist road that has been in existence for over 30 years. It originally was a logging and mining RR from around 1889 to 1940 or so. By 1970 or so the local restoration group had been able to find some of the original stock, in different parts of the world, and bring them back to Sumpter for rebuilding. Much of the work has been done by volunteers at their local shop but the #19 Mike was rebult in Portland at a cost of several hundred thousand. At that time it was converted to an oil burning steamer. When I first saw it, # 19 was a rust bucket sitting in their yard. Mike #20, still sitting in the yard, is awaiting restoration.

My favorite is the wood burning 2-truck Heisler and much of the work on that was done locally. I believe the 2 Mikes were found in Alaska rusting away after long service in the Yukon. The Portland shop did a beautiful job and many of the parts had to be fabricated as most of those old locos were scrapped during WW11. The #19 Mike is used considerably during the summer season as it's very reliable. I worked as a switchman and brakeman mainly on the Heisler but was also around the Mike in the later years. I pretty much rode in the caboose where there was a pot bellied stove for keeping warm on cold days. Sometimes I was able to ride back in the cab. What a thrill that was watching the fireman stoking the fire with wood. You don't need a stove to keep warm in there. I worked there occasionally over a period of 3 or 4 years until I found it too hard to drive over there. It was a thousand mile RT from my ranch here in Northern California, which is a lot for a frequent weekend trip.

The site is an old gold mining area and piles and piles of rock from one of the dredges can still be seen covering the whole valley. As a boy in the late 30's, when the arrival of the train was still a daily event, I always waited for that shrill steam whistle, which bounced off the mountains, every afternoon when I would run down to the depot and watch the train. That whistle sound still haunts me when I hear it today. It was an amazing sight for a 9 year old of that day. Sumpter, them, had a population of about 200 and most worked on the gold dredge or the lumber mill up the road. Mikes and Heislers and other wood burning steamers were the main stay of that era. A lot of Shays were used too. My mother and grandmother, who lived in a gold mining camp, used to ride that train, over the mountains, a distance of 120 or more miles to go shopping in Baker City, the only city of note, population of ~5k. That was in the early 1900's when there were very few roads for cars, and not many cars either. It was stil the horse and buggy period.

If any of you get out to the western US some time, and since you're into trains, be sure to look up the Sumpter Valley RR in Sunpter, Oregon, USA. It's in the Blue Mountains of Eastern Oregon and operates every weekend for tourists during summer months. You will never forget the ride. I've seen many Europeans on those rails over the years and they always seem to be able to find it even though it's way, way out in the boonies as it is. The scenery is spectacular also and an authentic gold dredge (restored) is located at the end of the run.

By the way, I have a Mike a Heisler and a Big Boy in my Marklin digital collection. The Heisler is a beautifully done Riverossi model converted to Marklin digital. Those 3 steamers are always the favorites of visitors to my train room. I also have a large number of PA's (both double and single) and a F7, a GP35 (converted to Marklin digital), and finally a DB ICE train which doesn't fit my western motif, but it has it's own track and I like it anyway. Bet those folks in my fictional "Equity Junction Nevada" get a little confused everytime the ICE train comes to town. Bob
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Offline hmsfix  
#19 Posted : 26 June 2008 01:45:32(UTC)
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Hi rhtastro and all here,

Very interesting background information on the Mikado. I remember I have seen pics of Sumpter valley railroad somewhere on the web.

I'm running a Mikado on my layout, too (the 37973 UP version, with a FX decoder as described in John's posting), and I am very happy with this great model and its excellent low speed performance (scaled 20 or 30 m.p.h. are typical for operation sessions on my layout)

You have mentioned that you have a converted Rivarossi Heisler. I would be interested to learn more about converting such a Heisler to 3R. Do you have a photo or description of the model ?

Regards

Hans Martin
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#20 Posted : 26 June 2008 01:59:02(UTC)
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Great job you & the other guys did, Bob. Thanks a lot for your report !
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#21 Posted : 28 June 2008 01:59:02(UTC)
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Hans, here is a pic of the Heisler with a Big Boy behind it. It's a 3 truck model while the prototype I worked on was a 2 truck wood burning loco. It's still used but not during fire season. The sparks coming out of that beast are amazing to see. The model was converted by a German gentleman in Florida using authentic Marklin parts. Wheels, motor, decoder, couplers, etc. He was converting 2 rail DC to 3 rail Marklin AC (c-track) a few years ago, but I've lost track of him and he may no longer be in business. I found him originally on e-Bay. Hope this picture comes through, this being my first. Regards, UserPostedImage
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#22 Posted : 28 June 2008 03:06:06(UTC)
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Here is the Mike coming into the mill loading area at Equity Junction, NV UserPostedImage
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#23 Posted : 28 June 2008 04:13:04(UTC)
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Best of Steamers ... CoolCoolCool
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#24 Posted : 30 June 2008 13:33:49(UTC)
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<br />Hans, here is a pic of the Heisler with a Big Boy behind it. It's a 3 truck model while the prototype I worked on was a 2 truck wood burning loco. It's still used but not during fire season. The sparks coming out of that beast are amazing to see. The model was converted by a German gentleman in Florida using authentic Marklin parts. Wheels, motor, decoder, couplers, etc. He was converting 2 rail DC to 3 rail Marklin AC (c-track) a few years ago, but I've lost track of him and he may no longer be in business. I found him originally on e-Bay. Hope this picture comes through, this being my first. Regards, UserPostedImage

Excellent! Many thanks for the information about the Heisler. I consider to run such a Heisler on my own layout, but I have no clue about how to mount the slider under the very short trucks.
My other option: to leave the Heisler as a 2R model, and install an extra layout module with 2R section. So it won't be able to run on my main line, but I suppose this forest railroad loco did prototypically almost never run on main line tracks.

Regards

Hans Martin
Offline rhtastro  
#25 Posted : 30 June 2008 23:08:12(UTC)
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Hans, you're right, those locos, Heislers, Shays, etc were almost always narrow gauge and never ran on main lines which use a much wider gauge. Also, they hardly ever left the woods and forests since they hauled ore and logs mainly. Sometimes the track was put down just before the loco would need to run up a mountain to pick up a load and then it was removed as soon as the need was over. Those locos were often called "stump dodgers" for a good reason.

You could justify using DCC or even DC for short lines using DC models such as the Heisler.

By the way, check the German e-Bay and see if anyone is selling Marklin modified locos. My original contact could still be on that. Regards, Bob
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#26 Posted : 30 June 2008 23:13:29(UTC)
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Very nice steam, rhtastro.Smile
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