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steventrain		#1 Posted : 21 July 2009 16:34:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,710 Location: United Kingdom		The 28590 is on yellow light at Marklin database.
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steventrain		#2 Posted : 29 July 2009 18:56:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,710 Location: United Kingdom		Now on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.de/MARKL...amp;_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
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Bigdaddynz		#3 Posted : 30 July 2009 14:32:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Thanks Stephen. Station500 also has it: http://cgi.ebay.com/2859...rksid=p4634.c0.m14.l1262 These pictures are from the Station500 auction. Edited by moderator 11 January 2011 19:08:11(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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steventrain		#4 Posted : 30 July 2009 16:17:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,710 Location: United Kingdom		You can see some red on side of loco bogie on box lid? The Loco model have all grey bogie.
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john black		#5 Posted : 30 July 2009 17:51:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Never mind, Steven - call it the artist's freedom ... and then M revived the classic box design [^] we're askin for years. Bravissimo, Marklin !!! She's one most beautiful model [:p][:p][:p]
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steventrain		#6 Posted : 30 July 2009 19:51:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,710 Location: United Kingdom		Yeah It is a nice set, John.
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mmervine		#7 Posted : 31 July 2009 01:39:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,894 Location: Keene, NH		I have to say that this looks like a really nice set, much better than I expected from the catalog photos.
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Webmaster		#8 Posted : 31 July 2009 02:05:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		I just love the 60's style box... Stephen, it's not the bogies that are red but that blade suspension imitation that is in the body mould... I'ts grey on the model itself, so your observation is correct in that way... Does anyone know how it was on the original model? Please note that the suspension is different on each side...
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TroyYang		#9 Posted : 31 July 2009 02:24:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/04/2009(UTC) Posts: 157 Location: San Francisco, CA		Wonder if the market valuee of the original 3059 will be impacted by this re-issue.
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Frostie		#10 Posted : 31 July 2009 04:57:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,614 Location: Birmingham,Alabama		WEll, I am glad that it looks as good as it does. This was my choice as the "M" 150th big item this yera, and I do not expect to be dissapointed. Graet !!
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WelshMatt		#11 Posted : 21 August 2009 22:11:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,345 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by TroyYang <br />Wonder if the market valuee of the original 3059 will be impacted by this re-issue. I doubt it - what's more likely is that people who wanted one to run but couldn't find the money will buy one of the reproductions. The originals are easy to distinguish and the collectors will want them rather than a modern version I hate to say it but I'd rather have seen a modern incarnation to the same standard as the CC 40100 and PBA coaches they offered last year, nice though this set is. They'd make great running mates, representing two generations of SNCF prestige expresses. The basic loco and coach tools could be used to produce non-Capitole versions too AFAIK - the real locos were definitely regeared standard ones.
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NS1200		#12 Posted : 21 August 2009 23:15:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		Greetings All, I will certainly buy this set if i can find the money. Already sold on Ebay for around Euro 400.-. I like the nostalgic appearance of the box and the feel of the thinplate carriages,irrespective of their true resemblance with the real thing. I sincere hope that M will produce more of these sets in future,in my humble opnion a much better deal as compared to offering two NS1200 locos for over Euro 600.-,they must be out of their mind! Carry on the good work M!
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RayF		#13 Posted : 21 August 2009 23:36:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,872 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Although I agree it's a lovely set for nostalgic reasons, I also think they could have produced an up to date model of this loco.
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Munich 1860		#14 Posted : 22 August 2009 06:23:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,062 Location: Neu-Ulm, Bavaria		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster <br /> Stephen, it's not the bogies that are red but that blade suspension imitation that is in the body mould... I'ts grey on the model itself, so your observation is correct in that way... Does anyone know how it was on the original model? Please note that the suspension is different on each side... Hello Juhan, I think that it was grey on the original models, unless you were talking about the prototype which I do not know about .... Many regards, Hans
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river6109		#15 Posted : 22 August 2009 06:43:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,881 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Märklin may realizes the demand for these sets, or locos. It may well produces and updated newer version with real windows, short coupling shafts, Led's, sound module, I would.
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steventrain		#16 Posted : 22 August 2009 11:02:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,710 Location: United Kingdom		Very nice, Hans.
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WelshMatt		#17 Posted : 22 August 2009 14:40:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,345 Location: ,		The loco isn't bad - if they fitted flush glazing and cab interiors it'd look pretty decent. They could retool it and produce something more detailed but that would cost a lot more than just making a few plastic mouldings to add to an existing model. How about offering it in the conventional SNCF livery with those upgrades as a Hobby model? Even better if they could fit a modern mechanism as found in the Hobby e-loks.
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PeterG		#18 Posted : 22 August 2009 17:54:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/07/2008(UTC) Posts: 156 Location: Sydney,		Incidentally, I've just noticed that ETS Schweickhardt are selling the loco on its own for 220Euros, and carriages for 50euro each!
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jvuye		#19 Posted : 22 August 2009 18:47:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 2,883 Location: South Western France		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster <br /> Does anyone know how it was on the original model? Grey, definitely grey! I live in "Capitole territory" here and many pictures I have seen will confirm I think the artist who made the drawing on the box got carried away... Cheers
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jeehring		#20 Posted : 22 August 2009 20:28:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black <br />Never mind, Steven - call it the artist's freedom ... and then M revived the classic box design [^] we're askin for years. Bravissimo, Marklin !!! She's one most beautiful model [:p][:p][:p] Yes John ! Great product . About the Lok , actually Marklin is one of the last - could be the last - able to re- edit a model from its 40 years old original mould on their historical place . Lionel - may be - still have original machine tools...( I don't know) With relocation in China since they were dismantled, all other manufacturers are dealing with subcontractors using modern machine tools on which it is impossible to use those old moulds : most of the time they have to manufacture a new mould to install it on modern machine tools.....( Lima-Riva,Jouef-Hornby and many others had this problem : incompatibility of former moulds with Chinese machine tools...) Great idea to digitalize it + the last version of DCM motor (which - in fact - is an evolution of the original motor....instead of those ....f...ù§/xx°¨µµxx+sh-tXX.ùxx ... ordinary 5 poles can-motors found on the shelves... A little snook at current constraints in the industrial world ...An "emotional" product as well. A beautiful symbol indeed !
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WelshMatt		#21 Posted : 22 August 2009 22:14:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,345 Location: ,		Actually, an "ordinary 5 pole can motor" will beat a pancake drive any day. It's just smoother, quieter, and will haul more.
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jeehring		#22 Posted : 22 August 2009 23:08:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by WelshMatt <br />Actually, an "ordinary 5 pole can motor" will beat a pancake drive any day. It's just smoother, quieter, and will haul more. .....and the best of them will die between 800 & 900 hundred hours of use [xx(] ( let's say 400/500 hours for the average ... Durability , stability of performance, etc... quality have a price .) Several years ago , some tests and measurements have been published : those lasting the longest time without failure were motors from Fleischman & Marklin models : more than double time than those coming at the third place into the classification of results... (Difference of useful life was about 250%- 2.5 times . At the third place was a can motor from a well known train model brand. Between the third and the fourth - another well known brand - the ratio was almost similar : 1.9 . Tested Marklin models were with DCM 3 poles motor).
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Webmaster		#23 Posted : 23 August 2009 00:40:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		Thanks Hans for the pictures, nice to see the original one... Never seen the model in real life either... Interesting to see that the box illustrates the turqouise-ish "Mistral" version... It's the same with my 3067 DSB My NOHAB, the box has the green-yellow version depicted on the lid and has stickers with "3067" over the original model box number, so I presume your Capitole loco has the same box arrangement... Those were the days in the 60:s, a great time for M and a great time to be a kid with trains back then... I actually wanted the "Mistral" version as a kid, after seeing it in real life in France during a visit to my sister in Paris in the early/mid-60's... Never got it though... Ooopps... A bit off topic, but still remotely connected to French models...
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Munich 1860		#24 Posted : 23 August 2009 03:29:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,062 Location: Neu-Ulm, Bavaria		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster <br />Never seen the model in real life either... Those were the days in the 60:s, a great time for M and a great time to be a kid with trains back then... I actually wanted the "Mistral" version as a kid, after seeing it in real life in France during a visit to my sister in Paris in the early/mid-60's... Never got it though... Ooopps... A bit off topic, but still remotely connected to French models... Hello Juhan, well, better off topic than no fun at all .... I had uploaded the following pics quite some time ago for use in different topics, good to see they're all still there .... And yes, the French trains did also mean a lot to me when I was a kid, I always wanted them. By the way your remark re the original box is correct, there was no Capitole picture but the 3038 with a sticker. Funny in so far as they had a nice picture on the back of the 1968 catalog which can be seen in my avatar for the time being. Many regards, Hans
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john black		#25 Posted : 23 August 2009 13:31:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster <br />still remotely connected to French models ... Roro is just happy to hear such ... [:X]
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WelshMatt		#26 Posted : 29 August 2009 03:06:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,345 Location: ,		Did the Capitole go over to CC locos and Grand Confort coaches later on, or am I misremembering a photo I have somewhere? I have a few of the L.S.Models GC coaches which are superb, although unfortunately I never managed to track down the pack that included the generator car.
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steventrain		#27 Posted : 03 September 2009 22:12:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,710 Location: United Kingdom		Lokshop have about 10 set in stock for 399 Euros each.
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Alberto Pedrini		#28 Posted : 04 September 2009 01:51:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,448 Location: Italy		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by WelshMatt <br />Did the Capitole go over to CC locos and Grand Confort coaches later on, or am I misremembering a photo I have somewhere? I have a few of the L.S.Models GC coaches which are superb, although unfortunately I never managed to track down the pack that included the generator car. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Capitole_%28train%29
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Alberto Pedrini		#29 Posted : 04 September 2009 02:04:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,448 Location: Italy		Already published some months ago in another topic, but I think it's intersting have the link here too
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gachar001		#30 Posted : 04 September 2009 19:05:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/04/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,391 Location: Chennai		I wish the loco had full sound. I would be more interested in this set.
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steventrain		#31 Posted : 12 December 2009 21:33:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,710 Location: United Kingdom		The 28590 is now sold out and no longer production.
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Webmaster		#32 Posted : 13 December 2009 00:13:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		Hate to say it, but the prototypes look much flashier than the models... The models seem higher and much less correctly detailed... Signets, lights, pantos are all wrong... But on the other hand, that's the charm of the old models.
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