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Offline ozzman  
#1 Posted : 10 December 2008 09:50:29(UTC)
ozzman

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Does anyone know if transfer tables were ever used to "park" (for want of a better word) steam loks? Yes, I know that the Chiemseebahn does, but I'm more interested in DB (or DR) practice.

Not that I really care if the answer is "No" [:p]
Gary
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Offline tekin65  
#2 Posted : 10 December 2008 10:04:31(UTC)
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Gary hi,

I don't know for certain but the answer is probably no biggrin

But if the loco sheds connected to the transfer table are furnished for steam maintenance I'd say why not?

Cem.
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Offline RayF  
#3 Posted : 10 December 2008 12:14:47(UTC)
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Due to the need to turn steam locomotives so that they faced the right way, it would have been normal to see a turntable, rather than a transfer table, at steam locomotive sheds.

In the last days of steam, I suppose it may have happened that a steam loco end up in a yard or shed served by a transfer table, but that yard would not have had facilities for servicing steam locos.

On your layout, however, you are King, so if you think it's OK, then it's OK!

Ray
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Offline ozzman  
#4 Posted : 10 December 2008 20:54:46(UTC)
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Thanks Cem and Ray. Maybe I should have added that my (current) one and only steamer is a tank lok, and that all the steamers I'm likely to get will be the same (steam loks with tenders just dont do it for me, for the time being). Therefore the need to turn them is not so important. Besides all that I think that transfer tables are real cool and I probably won't have the space for a turntable as well.
Gary
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Offline Philip  
#5 Posted : 10 December 2008 21:03:42(UTC)
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Well in Denmark the usede treansfer tabels as well as turntabels in the town of Fredericia.
In a matter of fact it was a combination unit when the transfertabel was in the mittel position the tabel could turn like a turntabel.

Philip
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Offline TTRExpress  
#6 Posted : 10 December 2008 21:14:47(UTC)
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Typically a turntable is used with steam locomotives. I have seen an Epoch I model layout that used a transfer table so it is not out of the realm to use one if you have one available.
Regards (a Scot in Wisconsin),

Maurice [ETE, TTRCA, IG-TRIX Express, Maerklin-Insider & TRIX Profi-Club]
Offline Nuno  
#7 Posted : 11 December 2008 19:02:26(UTC)
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Dear Gary

I do not know whether transfer tables were ever used to park steam locomotives, but I can tell you that at least in one of the main railway stations in Lisbon there was (maybe there still is) a tranfer table at the end of a group of 3 platforms.

As this is a terminal station, in order to save space (I suppose), instead of using turnouts, there was a transfer table. So, the locomotive arrives at the end of the platform, decouples from the cars, moves to another platform aside and comes back to the other end of the train.

And this was for all locomotives, including steamers. In a previous station (close by), there was a turntable to turn the loco.

So I guess this kind of situation may exist in many terminal stations. Maybe someone else knows about this.

I hope I made myself clear with my explanation.

Best regards,

Nuno Smile
Offline ozzman  
#8 Posted : 14 December 2008 12:14:21(UTC)
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Hi Nuno, thanks for the response and it was completely clear. What you describe sounds like a most interesting arrangement. It goes to prove that there is a prototype for almost anything!
Gary
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Offline klinge-germany  
#9 Posted : 15 December 2008 15:18:12(UTC)
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hi gary,
turntables served for two purposes : on the one hand turning locos and on the other switching and serving to the tracks of a classic roundhouse. so the turntable in front of a roundhouse has two functions. there have been turntables without a loco shed just for turning these locos, some of them in 'funny' locations due to restrictions of space.
and transfer tables had been used for steam locos as well, especially in large workshops to bring them to the tracks within the workshop where they were repaired. these workshops were build in a rectangular size, the classic roundhouses were mostly used to 'store' these locos when they were not actually on duty.
i think the use of a turntable without a shed is interesting if the space for a layout is limited because a realistic turntable with shed will occupy about at least 2m x 1m.
alfred...with M since 1960...layout under construction (in mind...)
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Offline ozzman  
#10 Posted : 15 December 2008 22:38:50(UTC)
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Thanks Alfred, and you've put an idea into my head. I'd been thinking that I didn't have room for a turntable because I was mentally adding a roundhouse to it, but I could just have the turntable itself immediately adjacent to a workshop served by a transfer table. The other advantage to doing that is that I'd then have two nifty accessories!
Gary
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Offline steamfriend  
#11 Posted : 17 December 2008 22:43:42(UTC)
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Hi all,

Transfertables were indeed used to park steamlocomotives at the German railway system. Not often, buit they exist(ed).

Two famous examples are
Bw Rottweil

They had a turntable too, but there was not sufficient room for a large shed (12 or 15° angles), so there was a rectangular shed too, serviced in between in open air by a transfertable. See picture :
UserPostedImage

and
Bw Hagen-Eckesey
This was a huge rectangular shed (in the middle of the town) with only one entrance and one exit. The turntable was pranged outside between two walls, with no shed or waiting tracks.
Inside that hall you had a transfertable in its centre. I have tried to find pics, but could not trace them immediately
The exit, immediately from the transfertable (under roof!)
UserPostedImage


entrance in the good old days (behind the smoke of the P8 38 3444) :

UserPostedImage


entrance in later years (behind the loc) :

UserPostedImage



Bw Hamm also had one :
UserPostedImage

Bw Haltern (what is remaining from the control house
http://www.lostareas.de/.../BW_Haltern/Haltern6.htm

Hope it helps you, Ozzman
Smile

Bob
Offline ozzman  
#12 Posted : 17 December 2008 22:58:10(UTC)
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Hi Bob and many thanks for the photos. Plenty of ideas there. However there's no way I'd put a Z scale transfer table inside a building! Not only would it make access difficult, but why hide such a nifty accessory? Cool
Gary
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Offline steamfriend  
#13 Posted : 18 December 2008 01:04:49(UTC)
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You are right, Gary ! I would not do this too biggrinbiggrin

But the Hagen depot is quite exciting for one way or another. I add another (well known) picture of the coal system. To the left is the shed.

UserPostedImage

Bw Hamm may be the good solution for you

Here a picture in Bw Hamm, 15 July 1972. (Locs 044 687, 050 233 en 094 149. Foto Rob van der Rest.)

Note the edge of the transfertable pit, and the carrier rail

UserPostedImage

Best wishes,

Bob

Offline ozzman  
#14 Posted : 18 December 2008 07:28:00(UTC)
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Thanks again Bob. My ideas are getting more grandiose by the day, so it might be time for a reality check, to see if ANY of this can actually fit into my space. Not to mention if I could afford it.
Gary
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Offline xxup  
#15 Posted : 18 December 2008 10:27:08(UTC)
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The Ipswich Railway workshop has a transfer table to park locos in a workshop..
Adrian
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Offline ozzman  
#16 Posted : 18 December 2008 11:52:48(UTC)
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Thanks Adrian. Now that I think about it, the old locomotive workshops at Redfern here in Sydney had a similar arrangement. They also had a small turntable (but no roundhouse) at one end of the complex. I never go past there in the train any more, but I think the workshops are still used for diesel servicing.
Gary
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Offline steamfriend  
#17 Posted : 19 December 2008 00:56:08(UTC)
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For those having trouble retrieving the last pic, here is it again :



UserPostedImage


yours,

Bob
Offline ozzman  
#18 Posted : 19 December 2008 09:06:30(UTC)
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Ummm, thanks Bob, but it's still not showing.
Gary
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Offline nevw  
#19 Posted : 19 December 2008 09:51:46(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steamfriend
<br />For those having trouble retrieving the last pic, here is it again :



http://www.nicospilt.com/rest/RvdR19720715_20.JPG


yours,

Bob

It is not an Image but an URL

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User is suspended until 24/11/2846 07:19:16(UTC) Bigdaddynz  
#20 Posted : 19 December 2008 11:34:32(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw
<br />It is not an Image but an URL


Plus we do not have permissions to view/access that file!
Offline nevw  
#21 Posted : 19 December 2008 11:53:16(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
<br />
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw
<br />It is not an Image but an URL


Plus we do not have permissions to view/access that file!


Click on my post. No Problems.
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Offline steamfriend  
#22 Posted : 20 December 2008 15:52:22(UTC)
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sorry for the fuzz guys.. I do not know what went wrong; but indeed, if you click on Nev's link it appears. All pics I added are in fact URL's that I stick in between the (img)(/img) commands...

Bob
Offline jonnymac  
#23 Posted : 30 November 2009 21:58:03(UTC)
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Gents - I think space may dictate that I use a transfer table and workshop rather than a turntable and roundhouse. The pictures in this thread are a great incentive. My question is - does anyone have any experience good or bad with the Marklin transfer table?

Regards,

JonnyMac
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