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Offline mascagni  
#1 Posted : 20 November 2009 15:20:17(UTC)
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Hi: When you have two tracks running parallel there is usually a convention as to which of the two (left or right) is used. This also reflects the signalling and controls. For different countries, what is that convention?--MM
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Offline tekin65  
#2 Posted : 20 November 2009 16:05:49(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mascagni
<br />Hi: When you have two tracks running parallel there is usually a convention as to which of the two (left or right) is used. This also reflects the signalling and controls. For different countries, what is that convention?--MM


In continental Europe trains run like the cars.

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Offline NS1200  
#3 Posted : 20 November 2009 16:30:17(UTC)
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Not entirely correct.
In Belgium,trains drive left hand,same for Switzerland.
This is because these countries adopted the British system from the start,back to 1830-1840.
Think it is best to check railway/train pictures just to be sure.
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Offline ozzman  
#4 Posted : 20 November 2009 19:00:56(UTC)
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The trains run on the left in France as well, and for the same reason. And maybe in Sweden too?
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Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 20 November 2009 21:23:48(UTC)
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In Austria some tracks are run left hand, some are right hand.

In Germany it's right hand.
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Offline mike c  
#6 Posted : 20 November 2009 22:00:28(UTC)
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In many European countries, the State Railroad was formed from the nationalization of several private railroad companies.
In France and possibly Austria, some of these private railroads had been built and designed based on the early British model, and thus had the trains operating on the left hand side.
Some countries have adopted a national standard, while others have allowed the system to remain unchanged on those sections of the State Railway lines.

There have been a few incidents in zones between two such systems, where a train has continued on it's track in the wrong direction. For example, the line between St Margrethen (CH) and Bregenz(AT)/Lindau(DE) or the line between Basel (CH) and Mulhouse/Strasbourg (FR).

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Offline NS1200  
#7 Posted : 20 November 2009 22:02:49(UTC)
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In Holland it is right hand all the way.
This is causing inter border traffic with Belgium to a change of tracks when passing the border.
Has caused some minor accidents during shunting operations in border towns like Roosendaal,where Belgium and Dutch locomotives meet.
Do recall a Belgium single loco ren into trouble when meeting with a Dutch intercity train some months back.
Border stations can be very busy places,with complicated signal arrangements.
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Offline jvuye  
#8 Posted : 20 November 2009 22:23:22(UTC)
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A tall subject in its own rights!
All that was said above is right, but there are exceptions, big and small!
For instance in France, the trains *generally* run left, except in Alsace and Lorraine that was part of Germany for a while and the original infrastructure was build for right hand driving...
Switwerland is also left hand drive, although a number of highly travelled lines are "banalised" which actually means that all the signals and infrastructure are installed to enabled either side of operation to maximise utilisation.
I recently witnessed an Intercity on the Gotthard line passing a heavy freight train, both climbing in the "s" curves in the same direction around Wassen.
Rules yes...but even more exceptions;
Confused?
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Offline mascagni  
#9 Posted : 21 November 2009 00:36:00(UTC)
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What about Italy?--MM
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Offline rugauger  
#10 Posted : 21 November 2009 01:57:32(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mascagni
<br />What about Italy?--MM
Trains never actually run in Italy [:o)]
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Offline agvera  
#11 Posted : 21 November 2009 02:10:05(UTC)
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In Argentina trains run on left too, because of strong British influence starting end of XVII century until mid 50´s.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#12 Posted : 21 November 2009 02:23:17(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mascagni
<br />What about Italy?--MM


I read somewhere that they travel on the left in parts of Italy, on the right in others.
Offline kariosls37  
#13 Posted : 21 November 2009 02:28:59(UTC)
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before the dutch railways fused into the NS, one company had left-hand traffic and the other right-hand traffic.
However, these days many tracks are fitted out as "double single track" which means that both tracks are bi-directional, which allows for what Jacques observed on the Gotthard line
Offline xxup  
#14 Posted : 21 November 2009 02:34:31(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mascagni
<br />What about Italy?--MM
Trains never actually run in Italy [:o)]


Must be the NZ system.. biggrinbiggrinbiggrin
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Offline LionelMPC  
#15 Posted : 21 November 2009 06:30:07(UTC)
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Hello,

In my corner of the world, the double track main between Seattle and Portland (Northwest US) is "2 main track CTC", there is no definite running direction on either track. Double crossovers are provided at several points along the line to allow trains to change tracks. I ride the Amtrak Talgos to Portland and back about once a month. Usually we are darting back and forth trying to get around all the freight traffic.

I think on the Santa Fe, in New Mexico, they ran on the left hand track because the grades were more favorable in each direction (for a distance the two lines split). That might be the case in some places in Europe too?

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Offline Ian555  
#16 Posted : 21 November 2009 10:39:42(UTC)
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Hi all
Can anyone tell me what side/direction trains travel on for my own
layout Baden-Wurttemberg in southern Germany.
Thanks again.
Ian.
Offline steventrain  
#17 Posted : 21 November 2009 10:56:38(UTC)
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In UK/Ireland will be left side because the Signals still left side of tracks.
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#18 Posted : 21 November 2009 13:04:52(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Ian555
<br />Hi all
Can anyone tell me what side/direction trains travel on for my own
layout Baden-Wurttemberg in southern Germany.
Thanks again.
Ian.

may be clockwise? biggrin
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Offline H0  
#19 Posted : 21 November 2009 13:25:03(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Ian555
<br />Hi all
Can anyone tell me what side/direction trains travel on for my own
layout Baden-Wurttemberg in southern Germany.

I can. I already did.
It's always right-hand side in Germany. But I don't know when it started to be this way (could have been different in eras I or II).

This site (German only, scroll to end of page for railway information) states that there are 10 km near Nuremberg with left-hand side rail traffic.
See Links fahren die Züge in for left-hand traffic and Rechts fahren die Züge in for right-hand traffic.
Regards
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Offline atilla  
#20 Posted : 21 November 2009 19:15:26(UTC)
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Maybe this explains why many "one track towns" have never resumed regular train service :-p
Offline NS1200  
#21 Posted : 22 November 2009 13:33:54(UTC)
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Hi All,
Rules are there to be broken (especially in a liberated society like Holland!).
Whilst traffic is right hand on the entire Dutch rail network,sometimes trains are planned on left hand tracks because of maintenance jobs on the right hand track.
This also happens in Germany,some time ago there was an interesting article in the M Magazine about that,and the special signal arrangements to go with it.
I was once on a steamtrip in Holland and our train was forced to drive left hand track on a straight stretch for a long time,must say it gives you a bit of an uneasy feeling,you never know for sure whether other train drivers are fully updated.......
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Offline H0  
#22 Posted : 22 November 2009 14:01:48(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by NS1200
<br />Whilst traffic is right hand on the entire Dutch rail network,sometimes trains are planned on left hand tracks because of maintenance jobs on the right hand track.

Yep.
This thread is about which side trains usually drive on.

Most two-track lines in Germany can use both tracks for both directions. This is used if one track is closed, but also for delayed trains sometimes (two trains going in the same direction can then enter a station at the same time).
Regards
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Offline al_pignolo  
#23 Posted : 22 November 2009 18:17:28(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz

<br />
I read somewhere that they travel on the left in parts of Italy, on the right in others.


False.

In Italy trains run on the left, excepted when in main lines, a speedy train overtakes a slower one. In this case, the slow train is placed in right track while the other passes. But this happens only in particular lines and only for a small distance: the regualr track is left one in all the country.

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Offline Western Pacific  
#24 Posted : 22 November 2009 21:25:47(UTC)
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Sweden - left

Just to confirm that trains regularly use the left track in Sweden. The only exception being trains between Malmö and the Øresund Bridge to Denmark (Copenhagen), where the right track is normally used. I guess it is a bit redundant to add that in Denmark trains normally run on the right track.

All this applies to mainlines.

The Stockholm underground also uses left hand traffic.

Tramlines use right hand traffic, as is road traffic doing (from Sept 3rd 1967).
Offline Nuno  
#25 Posted : 07 December 2009 01:44:26(UTC)
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Hi

Very interesting topic!

In Portugal trains <u>always </u>run on the left side and as far as I know in all Spain too.

This, once again due to the British influence. And why is that in UK? I guess because cars run on the left side too. And why is that? Because in the old days knights ran their horses on the left side too. And why is that? Because they needed to face coming enemies having their right side free to handle their swords. At least that’s how the story goes… and assuming all of them were right-handed fellows...

The gauge (distance between rails) is also different in Portugal and Spain, I think that was a defense issue, to make things difficult for the French wishing to enter in Spain so easily (fears that come from the Napolean times). The gauge in Portugal (and Spain) is a bit over 1,6 meters, while in the rest of Europe (with the exception of Russia, I think) is a bit over 1.4 meters.

So, there are probably as much right running trains as left running ones, so Marklin should provide their plug and play signals also available for the left running trains. I have bought Viessman signals because I refuse to see my trains running on the right side, all my life (I am 53 years old) I saw trains running on the left.

In Portugal the subway trains run on the left too, but trams run on the right, because cars run on the right (I don't know why, but I guess it is due to French influence, because they always want to go against the British biggrin)

Cheers,

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#26 Posted : 07 December 2009 08:01:28(UTC)
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<br />Maybe this explains why many "one track towns" have never resumed regular train service :-p

You've just got a "one track mind"biggrin
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Offline john black  
#27 Posted : 10 December 2009 02:11:47(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by LionelMPC
<br />I think on the Santa Fe, in New Mexico, they ran on the left hand track because
the grades were more favorable in each direction (for a distance the two lines split).

Right ... but they too had their exceptions so we never could be sure about biggrin

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Offline kimballthurlow  
#28 Posted : 10 December 2009 04:29:04(UTC)
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Slightly out of kilter with most US railroads, the Chicago and Northwestern was one main liner that used left hand running.

Left hand running is used in Australia.

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Offline NS1200  
#29 Posted : 10 December 2009 22:06:42(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by LionelMPC
<br />I think on the Santa Fe, in New Mexico, they ran on the left hand track because
the grades were more favorable in each direction (for a distance the two lines split).

Right ... but they too had their exceptions so we never could be sure about biggrin

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Nice picture of this Santa FE loco (F7 i think).
Nothing beats the appearance of these classic locomotives,the M model of the A-B-A combination in my collection is still one of my favorite M models!
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Offline john black  
#30 Posted : 10 December 2009 22:25:55(UTC)
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Right, Paul Smile - though old me rather prefers the A-B and A-B-B configurations ...

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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#31 Posted : 10 December 2009 23:10:44(UTC)
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Sorry, a bit OT here, but John, will Marklin ever produce these beauties again?
Offline john black  
#32 Posted : 10 December 2009 23:20:19(UTC)
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Hi BigD Smile - my best guess is no, alas (for all those well-known reasons) ...

Well, it took my six long years of building my (now complete) collection on brand new Marklin F7s.
And I was a train-savvy 6-year old when travelling that High Sierra Route with Mom in 1957 the first time [:p]
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Offline steventrain  
#33 Posted : 10 December 2009 23:33:21(UTC)
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Nice pictures, John.
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Offline john black  
#34 Posted : 11 December 2009 00:02:56(UTC)
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Thanks, Stevie Smile
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Offline Western Pacific  
#35 Posted : 11 December 2009 22:15:42(UTC)
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<br />Right, Paul Smile - though old me rather prefers the A-B and A-B-B configurations ...

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The model on the last picture, which make is that?
I don't recall having seen any Western Pacific diesels from Märklin.
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#36 Posted : 12 December 2009 00:54:40(UTC)
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<br />The model on the last picture, which make is that?
I don't recall having seen any Western Pacific diesels from Märklin.

This triple-header F7 (2 motors, digital, full sound) is from M's train set #26600.
About 6,000 sets were made in year 1999.

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Offline kimballthurlow  
#37 Posted : 12 December 2009 02:15:52(UTC)
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Hi John,
Classic train, classic locos, classic cars, classic Märklin.
And WP probably had no double track biggrin, so it didn't matter which side they rode!
Thanks for the pictures.

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#38 Posted : 12 December 2009 13:43:37(UTC)
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Smile ... a pleasure, Sir
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Offline Western Pacific  
#39 Posted : 12 December 2009 20:34:50(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black
<br />
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Western Pacific
<br />The model on the last picture, which make is that?
I don't recall having seen any Western Pacific diesels from Märklin.

This triple-header F7 (2 motors, digital, full sound) is from M's train set #26600.
About 6,000 sets were made in year 1999.

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Thanks John for proving me wrong! A really nice set!
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#40 Posted : 14 December 2009 23:57:18(UTC)
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Dear Per - "proving you wrong" never my intent was [:I]

But I'm glad you like her (since WP is one of F7's most beautiful liveries).
The set would match your name perfectly nice, BTW ... Smile[:p]
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Offline Western Pacific  
#41 Posted : 19 November 2010 19:13:21(UTC)
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john black wrote:
Dear Per - "proving you wrong" never my intent was [:I]

But I'm glad you like her (since WP is one of F7's most beautiful liveries).
The set would match your name perfectly nice, BTW ... Smile[:p]


John, the set would indeed match my name here at this forum!

So to continue the story, I was to the Post Office today (Friday) and picked up a big box sent from Germany on Tuesday.

The 26600 set I bought on eBay has arrived!!!

I've done a short test run and it runs fine and I really like it.

There is only one thing which I'll modify and that is the volume setting for the diesel engine sound - at least for my train room, which has concrete ceiling, it is set far too loud.

I've seen what I believe is another F7 in WP livery at the WP RR museum in Portola, CA (not far from the Nevada state line). It had number 921 and not 805 as the Märklin model.
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#42 Posted : 19 November 2010 21:34:22(UTC)
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Seems most Trains drive on the right.
So in most the Engineer is on the right to see the Signals, and the Conductor or fireman is on the left side of the cab.
Is it reversed in UK, Belgium and Switzerland, whit the engineer in the left seat?
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#43 Posted : 20 November 2010 18:57:16(UTC)
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Let's throw in a curveball to this discussion... In Switzerland, Germany and some other countries, locomotives can be operated by a single operator. In Italy for example, a lok must have a crew of two. Is this a throwback to the classic roles of Engineer and Fireman or is there some other reason? As far as operating rules, it is amazing how much the influence of Robert Stephenson played in the development of railroads in Europe, in the Dominion, and around the world.

I did find it interesting that although Swiss loks drive on the left side, the driver's seat and controls are still on the left side. This is the opposite of automobiles, where the steering wheel and controls on left driving cars are usually relocated to the right seat of the car.

Regards

Mike C
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#44 Posted : 20 November 2010 21:12:44(UTC)
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dntower85 wrote:
Seems most Trains drive on the right.
So in most the Engineer is on the right to see the Signals, and the Conductor or fireman is on the left side of the cab.
Is it reversed in UK, Belgium and Switzerland, whit the engineer in the left seat?


In Sweden, older engines have the driver's seat to the left, whereas newer engines like the Hector Rail 241 or Green Cargo Re, being based on German 185 also known as Bombardier TRAXX, has the driver's seat to the right.
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#45 Posted : 20 November 2010 22:28:54(UTC)
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H0 wrote:
In Austria some tracks are run left hand, some are right hand.

In Germany it's right hand.



Sometimes in defined situations, a German locomotive will travel in "the wrong direction" and thus bears one red headlamp hung on its left. It is termed "Falschfahrt". Does anyone know more about its application on the proto-type?

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#46 Posted : 20 November 2010 23:50:33(UTC)
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BR01097 wrote:
H0 wrote:
In Austria some tracks are run left hand, some are right hand.
In Germany it's right hand.

Sometimes in defined situations, a German locomotive will travel in "the wrong direction" and thus bears one red headlamp hung on its left. It is termed "Falschfahrt".

The term "Falschfahrt" is out of date. It's called "Fahrt in Gleis der Gegenrichtung" (or shorter "Gleiswechselbetrieb").

The red headlights are outdated, too - must have been in era II IIRC.
So AFAIK there are no special signals on the loco if it's driving on the "wrong" track for era III and later.
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#47 Posted : 21 November 2010 02:14:33(UTC)
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Hi All,

In India, tains operate on the left due to legacy left behind by the British.

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Offline Goofy  
#48 Posted : 21 November 2010 09:30:39(UTC)
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In Sweden we have left traffic,but also sometimes right traffic.
Right now we are upgrade traffic by change over to right instead!
It´s not ready yet...
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#49 Posted : 21 November 2010 19:55:01(UTC)
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mike c wrote:
I did find it interesting that although Swiss loks drive on the left side, the driver's seat and controls are still on the left side. This is the opposite of automobiles, where the steering wheel and controls on left driving cars are usually relocated to the right seat of the car.

Regards

Mike C


The reason is that the signals in Switzerland (and also in Italy of course) are located on the left of the tracks: accordingly on a two tracks line the signals are not in the area between the tracks.
About the automobiles: it is very important to have the best view of the cars coming from the opposite directions when you are going to overtake a car proceeding on your same direction (this does not happen for trains of course!).

This is my opinion, feel free to add some other explanations.

Bye

Renato
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#50 Posted : 21 November 2010 22:38:57(UTC)
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Renato wrote:
mike c wrote:
I did find it interesting that although Swiss loks drive on the left side, the driver's seat and controls are still on the left side. This is the opposite of automobiles, where the steering wheel and controls on left driving cars are usually relocated to the right seat of the car.

Regards

Mike C


The reason is that the signals in Switzerland (and also in Italy of course) are located on the left of the tracks: accordingly on a two tracks line the signals are not in the area between the tracks.
About the automobiles: it is very important to have the best view of the cars coming from the opposite directions when you are going to overtake a car proceeding on your same direction (this does not happen for trains of course!).

This is my opinion, feel free to add some other explanations.

Bye

Renato


The driver's position in an engine probably goes back to the steam era and then with limited forward view to have the driver on the left side in left hand traffic situations on railways makes sense, since it is easier to see signals from the left side. This has then continued with diesel and electric engines unless they were originally produced for another market.


On Renato's and Mike C's comments on the driver's position in cars, I can add that in Sweden cars have always (with very few exceptions) had the steering wheel to the left, even when we had left hand traffic on the roads. That caused a lot of problems when trying to overtake and was used as an argument to change to right hand traffic, which we did on September 3rd, 1967.
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