Hi,

Over the weekend, we decided to go to the Märklin museum on Sunday. We arrived there at about 13:00 and there was a queue about a mile long

About 13:45 we were in. And ... there was another queue at the entrance of the shop. So another wait for 15 minutes. After that we took our time since we were in and nobody was going to throw us out. Checking this, and looking at that, we came to the place where mother M* keeps three big crates of discount products.

For the Märklintage there was a nice selection of models: Bavarian DXI and ... Re4/4 II TEE livery both Trix - there was another one but forgot what it was!

Well, I nearly fell into the crate when I saw that there were only two Re4/4 II's left; one for me and one for doc - my companion.

So now, we have the last of the Re4/4 II's

Happy, happy, happy

Cem.

I am guessing that Cem made a little typo. The Trix Re 4/4II TEE is 22148.

I had considered this model when it was first announced. I have since acquired a HAG Re 4/4II TEE (Loksound) that was on special at a US dealer, so I did not need another Re 4/4 TEE.

The prototype was based in Lausanne and was mainly used to pull TEE trains on the Geneva-Domodossola -(Milano) and (Paris -)Vallorbe - Lausanne - Domodossola (- Milano) routes.
The lok was also from time to time moved to Basel and used for the TEE trains that passed through Basel (Helvetia to Zuerich, Roland to Luzern).
Later on, the lok was used to pull pretty much any consist once the TEE service was discontinued in 1979.
Cem, enjoy your lok. It can be converted pretty easily to AC. One option you may wish to consider is to find a 37356 which should be about 190 w/o VAT, swap the shells. You should probably be able to get around 250 for the Porrentruy with the Trix Motor and Frame, as this was not released by Trix as an official model. Just a thought.

Regards

Mike C

This may be one reason to consider swapping shells with a Maerklin version. The 11376 from the 29859 Set, the 11276 (34345), 11294 (34341) and the 11162 (3434) were never released in DC.

The only DC models have been

22585 11252 (Maerklin 34344) Red
22744 11161 (Maerklin 37343) TEE
22313 421 397 (Maerklin 37345) Cargo
22148 11253 (Trix Only) TEE

So, it is likely that swapping shells with any other model will enable you to sell the DC frame and that shell for at least the same price that you paid for the shell and AC frame.

I have not as yet seen any converted 37356 (11239) on eBay. The recent Cargo 421 374 (29840) and 11376 (29859) are the most common conversions.

If you can get a 37356 for around 230 EUR less VAT (about 190), you can easily sell that model as a DC version on eBay for around 220-240 EUR or about $340-360 US. The 34345 in light green would be the other biggest potential profit maker if you can find one for a good price.

Regards,

Mike C

Apologies, Cem...
Hope you enjoy your Trix 22145, oops, I mean 22148.

Note also that if you swap the lok frame with Marklin 29481 or 29859, you will lose the white LEDs on the Trix model.

On the subject of Cisalpino coaches, you're right.
I've seen recent pics and videos of really mixed sort of consists - which can even include an EW II (rebuilt), EW IV in SBB colour and Cisalpino.

Tekin/Tim:

I had suggested the 37356 as basis for a swap because there is a market for a DC 37356 right now. Additionally, you would gain a mfx with 5 pole and white LEDs for your TEE lok.

As far as Cisalpino coaches, if anybody knows whether the SBB Apm in CIS livery can be had individually, I would be down for an additional coach.

Matter of fact, the SBB has removed the Cisalpino logo from some of the coaches and replaced with the usual <+> SBB CFF FFS logo.
The EC coaches are scheduled to be upgraded and repainted in the white/black/red ICN livery for domestic use.

Regards

Mike C

Yep, they are Apm and are to be had individually ... start looking out on eBay

Cem.

Nice one, Cem!

Beautiful!

Nice pictures, Cem.

Hello Lutz,

Is this the model that "Wackeln in Kurven / nur vitrinemodel" that we looked at in the museum

Edited by user 04 October 2009 14:08:08(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Lutz, I'm glad you liked my photos ... and no, not really ... but I can take some (tomorrow that is, it is 01:30 now).

BIAC (one more abbreviation to add) I wish I've seen 1000's more of those non-warranted "second quality" stuff at the museum more often. The only discrepency I noticed, they had the wrong directional light icon on DXI box (the box says no back lights and the model has them). Other than that it is perfectly ok. I'll check the Re4/4 later and report.

Warranty doesn't work here as Turkey is off-limits easier we do it ourselves.

And just out of curiosity: there was a huge crate full of Trix DSB locos (German class 55's) selling at Euro 149.- (full price about 300 Euros); I wonder how mother M* manages to produce such numbers of second quality stuff?

Cem.

Cem, that's a nice looking Re 4/4 you have there, 2nd rate quality or not. Just hope that the handrails and pantos are correct for the model.....

And thanks for the great pictures.

I don't think it is David; it's just a "standmodell" (display model), checked the bottom and nothing there but tomorrow I'll post photos, there might be something I haven't noticed. Panthos? Well, I'm sure Mike and Lutz will tell

Cem.

Hey, if it had cost me less than 100 euros, I'd be happy enough with it. If it has no flaws, even better! [:P]

Great deals there Cem. Enjoy!

This might be one of those well known body and frame swap with Marklin 29481 Re 421 lok

This is largely unnecessary,
as conversion of the Trix model to AC is easy..

Hi Everyone,

Could someone please help with what would have been an appropriate
consist for the 37343? Was there a "dedicated" coach offering?

Many thanks,

Jeremy.

ps. I had not started with this wonderful hobby when the 37343 came
out, what a handsome locomotive it is.jp.

Jeremy,

I think that I had previously covered this in another post, but here goes again. The SBB put a few Re 4/4II into service in the TEE livery to haul international "TEE" trains in Switzerland.
These trains included the following:

TEE Helvetia (Basel-Zuerich-Basel)
TEE Roland (Basel-Luzern (lok change) - Gotthard - Chiasso and back)
TEE Arbalete (Zuerich - Basel and back*)
* Until 1969, this train was operated using the RAm TEE. After that, it was a SBB Re 4/4II TEE with Mistral 56 coaches (later also Mistral 69). At one point, the train was run together with the TEE Helvetia from Zuerich to Basel and back.

The Re 4/4II 11158-11161 were used to pull these trains.

Later, other trains (Trainsets) were replaced by locomotive pulled trains, so a second series of loks 11249-11253 were delivered beginning in 1972. These trains included:

TEE Cisalpin (Vallorbe - Lausanne - Simplon - Domodossola and back)**
TEE Lemano (Geneva - Lausanne - Simplon - Domodossola and back)***

** Before 1974, the Cisalpino was run using the RAe TEE II (Gottardo) trainsets. The new consist was a Re 4/4II TEE with Mistral 69 coaches
*** The Lemano was originally run using the FS ALn 442. The new consist was a Re 4/4II TEE with FS TEE Gran Comfort coaches

After the TEE trains were replaced by InterCity trains in 1979, the TEE loks could be found pulling most every combination of trains on the SBB network.

The Re 4/4II TEE was never used to pull either the TEE Rheingold (Basel - Geneva and back) nor the TEE Bavaria (Zuerich - Lindau and back). Those duties were handled by the Re 4/4I.

An excellent consist for the Re 4/4II TEE (37343 or converted 22148) would be the coming Trix Set of TEE Roland Coaches (23477) or the 1:100 42991 TEE Helvetia Set. The only no no would be the dome car, which was never included in any train pulled by the Re 4/4II TEE.

This posting contains information cited from Peter Willen's "TEE Zuege der Schweiz" and other sources.

Regards

Mike C

Lutz,

musst Du immer auf Probleme mit Modellen tippen? Willst Du dass er verliert Interesse in seinem Modell wegen irgendeinem kleinen schwachpunkt? Warum kannst Du nicht einfach Ihm sagen dass er eine preiswerte Lok gefunden hatte? Wenn Du willst weiter gehen, Warum sagst Du nicht einfach was Du bemerkt hattest? Lass ihm freuen ueber sein Modell.

Hochachtungsvoll,

Mike C

As long as you are happy and enjoy your model that is all that is important. Ignore the other useless comments.
You are pleased to have bought a bargain and I am glad it has proved worthwhile.

For thos who cannot read German here is a Google translation of Mikec words to that great Maerklin PR person LUTZ (the person who rains on all parties:

Lutz

You have to tap more problems with models? Do you want that he loses interest in his model because of some little weak? Why you can not just tell him that he had found a cheap engine? If you want to go further, Why do not you just say what you had noticed? Let him look over his model.

Sincerely,

Mike C

Hi Tim,

Yes, it is perfectly ok; it runs silent and smooth -for me- with perfect warm white leds. That's what I need from the model; high beam is not really important for me.

I know they're not, I'm just a bit surprised how Lutz takes this whole deal: it could well be taken as a mother M* gesture/favor for those who visited the museum on 150th anniversarry. But hey, nobody is perfect ...

... and somehow no comments on DXI. Anything wrong with it Lutz?

Cem.

LUTZ, Mike,
You both know that this is an English forum and it is very rude to write in German. You , or one or the other may have been inferring that one was a RC and we would not have been the wiser

Pleas write your comments in English so we can all participate.

and LUTZ it was not an Aussie translation, it was by that American Giant, Google.

Erased Like you do Lutz??? you do delete a lot of your postings and
to quote a fellow countryman of yours and a member of this forum talking about you

sure I know the behaviour of a special member here and had my own experience in the late 90's and 2005.
But the more any answer goes against his information, the more he starts to fight for his rights.

Oops OT.

Fair comment Ray! It was even harder to understand Lutz's reply to Mike, Google made a complete hash of that!

However, this is a public forum, posts should be written so that all members can understand. Email exists for any personal messages.