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steventrain		#1 Posted : 20 August 2009 20:06:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,721 Location: United Kingdom		Hi all, The Fall new items 2009 will be presented end of September. Edit 25 Sept. Found three 2009 Fall new items. 37274 Diesel loco Serie 59 SNCB 48409 2009 Christmas wagon 80619 2009 Christmas wagon Z gauge. There is still more list to come.
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RayF		#2 Posted : 20 August 2009 21:14:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,873 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Thanks for the info Steven. Looking forward to it!
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vilithejou		#3 Posted : 20 August 2009 22:10:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 850 Location: Vic, Barcelona		before or after MOBA? Thanks for the news..
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steventrain		#4 Posted : 20 August 2009 22:30:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,721 Location: United Kingdom		I think the news will be came out on 18 or 19 Sept.
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Rinus		#5 Posted : 20 August 2009 22:30:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,729 Location: Wageningen, The Netherlands		Curious what the fall items will bring us! Re 6/6 with SDS would be nice
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steventrain		#6 Posted : 20 August 2009 23:38:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,721 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Evil R <br />Curious what the fall items will bring us! Re 6/6 with SDS would be nice More 150th Limited edition would be nice!
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ozzman		#7 Posted : 21 August 2009 00:20:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,828 Location: Sydney, Australia		A Z item or two would be nice as well.
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pa-pauls		#8 Posted : 21 August 2009 00:29:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain <br />I think the news will be came out on 18 or 19 Sept. Thank's for info Steven. I shall look for it when I'm in Göppingen
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Webmaster		#9 Posted : 21 August 2009 00:32:41(UTC) Retweet
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john black		#10 Posted : 21 August 2009 00:59:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		M announcing (another) new items sounds great !!! [:p] But rather useless with even the old ones not available ... (what happened to the Gator Set #37225 they announced for quarter II)
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Bigdaddynz		#11 Posted : 21 August 2009 01:09:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		John, the first batch of the 37225 Gators has just been released. See Stephen's "delivery Dates' thread.
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TimR		#12 Posted : 21 August 2009 01:31:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Evil R Re 6/6 with SDS would be nice All for it! Hopefully we also see new starter sets, and also <faint hope mode> MS2.
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john black		#13 Posted : 21 August 2009 01:38:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br />John, the first batch of the 37225 Gators has just been released May be, David. But no information from my dealer, yet ... (he's always first). Still more - no one posted live pics on them, so far ...
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Bigdaddynz		#14 Posted : 21 August 2009 01:45:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Johnvandamme on ebay has the 37225, he is usually pretty quick off the mark. http://cgi.ebay.de/Maerk...amp;_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
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john black		#15 Posted : 21 August 2009 01:50:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		I mean pictures of the real locos. Not a picture of a picture of a box ...
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Bigdaddynz		#16 Posted : 21 August 2009 01:57:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		I know that! I was pointing out that he has them for sale. There are a few others on ebay, some of which have photos of the locos. This ebay seller has some photos: http://cgi.ebay.de/Maerk...amp;_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
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john black		#17 Posted : 21 August 2009 02:00:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Granted, BigDaddy - and thanks a lot [:p] ... (now I can push [}:)] my dealer)
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mjrallare		#18 Posted : 21 August 2009 15:43:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 563		Yes, thanks for the info Steven! /Torbjörn PS! And I do hope that the package with the 37225 that my German dealer sent to me on Tuesday, includes both the box and the two locos!
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john black		#19 Posted : 21 August 2009 20:47:48(UTC) Retweet
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grnwtrs		#20 Posted : 22 August 2009 00:20:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/06/2005(UTC) Posts: 669 Location: El Sobrante, California		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mjrallare <br />Yes, thanks for the info Steven! /Torbjörn PS! And I do hope that the package with the 37225 that my German dealer sent to me on Tuesday, includes both the box and the two locos! Me Too!! Two!! I sure hope the dummy railcar (ma 41730) is also in the air. Claims it was shipped August 18th, 09. Now only if Marklin will send the 37226 OBB best, Gene
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mmrcnzjohn		#21 Posted : 22 August 2009 02:02:49(UTC) Retweet
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Bigdaddynz		#22 Posted : 22 August 2009 04:13:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br />John, the first batch of the 37225 Gators has just been released. See Stephen's "delivery Dates' thread. Several ebay dealers, including Lackylok, are selling the individual locos from the 37225 set.
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john black		#23 Posted : 22 August 2009 04:55:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Thanks, David - did a short research just before, there are 13 offers at ebay.de right now. Some dealers even do split the set - though way more expensive, then ...
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Bigdaddynz		#24 Posted : 22 August 2009 05:00:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Yes John, the buy now prices are a bit too high. There are some on auction, where you could take your chances of getting a lower price...
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john black		#25 Posted : 23 August 2009 13:10:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		No problem, BigDaddy - just playing around ... Will get the set from my dealer as a bargain, anyway [^]
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Rinus		#26 Posted : 01 September 2009 11:14:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,729 Location: Wageningen, The Netherlands		Any rumours yet?
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Goofy		#27 Posted : 01 September 2009 11:57:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,309		Marklin/Trix new MS2 will been arrived out before christmas day...?
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Bigdaddynz		#28 Posted : 01 September 2009 14:45:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Maybe!
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steventrain		#29 Posted : 01 September 2009 16:27:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,721 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Evil R <br />Any rumours yet? Not yet until end of this month.
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Rinus		#30 Posted : 05 September 2009 23:00:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,729 Location: Wageningen, The Netherlands		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Goofy <br />Marklin/Trix new MS2 will been arrived out before christmas day...? I saw two in the store today.
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vilithejou		#31 Posted : 05 September 2009 23:04:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 850 Location: Vic, Barcelona		Please Evil-R tell more about this MS2.. please...
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steventrain		#32 Posted : 05 September 2009 23:28:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,721 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Evil R <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Goofy <br />Marklin/Trix new MS2 will been arrived out before christmas day...? I saw two in the store today. Just like this?
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Goofy		#33 Posted : 06 September 2009 00:37:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,309		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Evil R <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Goofy <br />Marklin/Trix new MS2 will been arrived out before christmas day...? I saw two in the store today. Really...??? Already in Netherland...??? Did you also find out,when they will been arrived out at hobbystore...?
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steventrain		#34 Posted : 06 September 2009 12:17:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,721 Location: United Kingdom		I think it is old mobile station, not the new one.
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Goofy		#35 Posted : 06 September 2009 12:46:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,309		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain <br />I think it is old mobile station, not the new one. But it stands MS2! He should then in case reading little better,to see what there it stands!
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steventrain		#36 Posted : 06 September 2009 13:22:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,721 Location: United Kingdom		I will email the Evil R about the MS1/MS2.
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Rinus		#37 Posted : 06 September 2009 14:03:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,729 Location: Wageningen, The Netherlands		My mistake. It was the CS2. Terribly sorry guys!
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Rinus		#38 Posted : 06 September 2009 14:26:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,729 Location: Wageningen, The Netherlands		I'll contact them tuesday, to make sure. Store was www.trein2000.nl
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steventrain		#39 Posted : 06 September 2009 16:05:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,721 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Evil R <br />My mistake. It was the CS2. Terribly sorry guys! No Apology need.
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Rinus		#40 Posted : 11 September 2009 23:09:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,729 Location: Wageningen, The Netherlands		I saw your e-mail Steven! Visited the store today. It was the CS2.
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TimR		#41 Posted : 24 September 2009 07:23:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by TimR <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Evil R Re 6/6 with SDS would be nice All for it! Got a response from Marklin service centre about this possibility yesterday; Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:From Marklin: <font face="Arial]thanks for your question. The reasons why we fit out the models 37320 and 37321 with 5-pole DCM "high efficiency propulsion" are versatile. We have other older RE4/4 II with the same decoder and engine control unit. So it is possible to make a double traction with the new locomotives. An other reason is the cost structure. With the SDS engine the locomotive were more expensive. We do not change the engine in this locomotives. The locomotives will be delivered as promised. Sincerely yours, Your Maerklin Customer Service Gebr. Maerklin & Cie. GmbH (i. Ins.) Customer Service P.O. Box 960 D-73009 Goeppingen Phone: +49 7161 608-222 Fax: +49 7161 608-225 E-mail: Service@maerklin.de Website: www.maerklin.com 2M2W</font id="Arial] Didn't really expect them to really change their mind though...
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Rinus		#42 Posted : 24 September 2009 23:01:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,729 Location: Wageningen, The Netherlands		Thanks for your information. No SDS? [:(] Life can be cruel. But seriously, that is a bit odd. Such a nice train combined with an engine from the dark ages!
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steventrain		#43 Posted : 24 September 2009 23:56:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,721 Location: United Kingdom		The 37xxx are with 5-pole DCM "high efficiency propulsion". The 39xxx have SDS.
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TimR		#44 Posted : 25 September 2009 01:17:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Evil R <br />Thanks for your information. No SDS? [:(] Life can be cruel. But seriously, that is a bit odd. Such a nice train combined with an engine from the dark ages! It's very sad indeed. From their reasoning, ok, SDS is more expensive, but then they knew it from the beginning even when they developed the first Sinus it's gonna be expensive. The whole point of developing motor is to put Marklin at forefront in motor innovation, and also as a selling point for new models. To sell it at slight premium is to be expected. If they say now it's more expensive? Why bother? Why do all the Eurosprinters got the upgrade to SDS? (FYI - they're all originally DCM models!) Why do all new einheits e-loks got SDS? Why do all new steamers got SDS? Why do most Swiss models has to slug it on with poor ol' DCM? Well, life's not fair. No point in arguing the case further. At least I made my point and pop the question to M*.
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davemr		#45 Posted : 25 September 2009 01:24:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/02/2009(UTC) Posts: 983 Location: ,		Tim I think you are right. Maybe they have a lot of old motors in stock. Interesting answer they gave you. You can take your pick from versatile to cost structure. I like the sds motors and tend now to avoid the others unless it is something special.
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TimR		#46 Posted : 25 September 2009 02:37:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		Hi Dave, Don't think it's because they have plenty of old motor in stock. I actually think that there is a (marketing) political motivation behind it; I think there are some (groups) who are worried that Marklin's increasing use of Sinus technology meant that DCM in on the way out. And the poor Re 6/6 might be the scapegoat for M* to reassure this group that it's not. Besides it's convenient since Re 4/4 II has not been upgraded also and still sells reasonably well. If we were led to believe the reasoning was purely because DCM is "versatile" and "cheaper"; How the b****y hell did Marklin managed to justify developing models like the similarly priced new Taurus (39836) or even the cheaper E10/E40 (39110/39140) with SDS? FYI; since the neubaulok BR 10; there hasn't been any <u>newly developed model</u> with DCM propulsion. In fact every new development that Marklin make since the late 1990s either come with can motor/faulhaber/maxxon or Sinus.
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RayF		#47 Posted : 25 September 2009 12:04:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,873 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		I think the main reason is so that you can match speeds with the Re 4/4 II and make up an Re 10/10.
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supermoee		#48 Posted : 25 September 2009 12:37:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/05/2007(UTC) Posts: 534		Hello, the explanation is simple. Märklin used for the RE6/6 the same boogies than the Re 4/4II. In scale 1:87 the boogies of both locs would have 1mm difference in length, so why create a new boogie by wasting money in a time of crysis? Use the existing one and everything is fine. This has even the advantage to have similar speed characteristic when both locs are joined togehter in the Re 10/10 traction. A SDS loco and a 5 pole loco would not work in traction. rgds stephan
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TimR		#49 Posted : 25 September 2009 13:10:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by supermoee <br />Hello, the explanation is simple. Märklin used for the RE6/6 the same boogies than the Re 4/4II. In scale 1:87 the boogies of both locs would have 1mm difference in length, so why create a new boogie by wasting money in a time of crysis? Use the existing one and everything is fine. This has even the advantage to have similar speed characteristic when both locs are joined togehter in the Re 10/10 traction. A SDS loco and a 5 pole loco would not work in traction. rgds stephan Like I said it was a "convenient" rather than truly honest excuse for Marklin. Consider this; The opposite of this argument of Re 10/10 double consist has to share similar characteristic is also true; That is if they both share the same driving boogie; and SDS is developed for Re 6/6, then its sister class Re 4/4 II will automatically be able to get one too! Such models will surely be a gold mine for Marklin.. I for one will try and buy every single model of such development. As for cost; There are lots of other SDS loks in the same price level with arguably more difficult construction; CC40100 (39401), BR 64 (39640), etc. And you have to wonder the reasoning of having developed SDS upgrades for models with arguably more limited sales potential (and more expensive to develop) such as the 39590 Ae 8/14. One can assume that the true reasoning of "cost" is because selling the Re 6/6 at the current price level simply yield better profit margin as opposed to equipping them with SDS... The other thing to consider is that once the market is saturated with DCM version of these models, Marklin might try and upgrade these models with better motor (not necessarily SDS). Remember, the other market pressure is that DCM models will be more considerably difficult to move when they are sold under Trix compared to under Marklin. If they did that even 5 years from now, I will feel quite screwed with the DCM version. Cr*p... listening to my own argument - I'm now reconsidering whether I should actually buy this model..
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TimR		#50 Posted : 25 September 2009 13:11:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by RayPayas <br />I think the main reason is so that you can match speeds with the Re 4/4 II and make up an Re 10/10. Off topic: Hi Ray, haven't heard from you in a while. Nice to have you back!
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