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eduard71		#1 Posted : 19 August 2009 17:39:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 297 Location: Santiago		Hi all, I have the E50 Marklin 39500 and I am having problems with the sound. I had tested the loco a couple of times using my 6021 and my Intellibox and the sounds were ok. Two weeks ago I received my CSII and I started to load my locos until it was the time for the E50. The loco was recognized by the CSII, but after that, no sound came out. It runs ok and the lights turn on, but no sound. I have realized that the sound parameter on the CSII for this specific loco is on 0. I have changed it to the maximun, transfered the data to the loco and nothing happend. I made a test using the 6021, first making a reset and also changing the sound parameter to the maximun but now no sounds comes out also using the 6021. From all my MFX locos this is the only one with problems. Have any of you experienced a problem like this? Regards Eduardo Palacios
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H0		#2 Posted : 19 August 2009 22:27:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,456 Location: DE-NW		Hi, Eduardo, AFAIK this loco doesn't support adjustment of the sound volume. Maybe the speaker or the sound module died.
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steventrain		#3 Posted : 19 August 2009 22:56:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,697 Location: United Kingdom		I have the 39500 sound lost but replacement new sound under warranty last few months ago. You can send back to dealer or direct to Marklin service centre with warranty card.
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eduard71		#4 Posted : 19 August 2009 23:15:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 297 Location: Santiago		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain <br />I have the 39500 sound lost but replacement new sound under warranty last few months ago. You can send back to dealer or direct to Marklin service centre with warranty card. Hi Steve, Does Marklin still have the 24 month warranty? If that is th case my loco still have one year of warranty and I will send it to Marklin.
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john black		#5 Posted : 19 August 2009 23:21:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by eduard71 <br />I have the E50 #39500 and I am having problems with the sound. It runs ok and the lights turn on, but no sound. Have any of you experienced a problem like this? Eduardo, M's E50 is notorious for this. You're not the only one - there are so many ... Her electronics are just another example of M's newfandangled MFX-junk [xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(] Don't have the loco replaced - you may end up in the very same trouble. Better let your dealer send her to the factory for getting her repaired [:p]
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H0		#6 Posted : 20 August 2009 00:28:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,456 Location: DE-NW		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black <br />Her electronics are just another example of M's newfandangled MFX-junk [xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(] Even worse: it's a non-mfx add-on sound board in this loco, not an mfx LokSound decoder. Here it's not the mfx-junk that failed ... ... it's the non-mfx-crap that failed: two sounds, but it can only play one sound at a time. The whistle interrupts the ventilation sounds. Apart from several brain-damaged design-flaws there's nothing I have to groan about mfx decoders ... [}:)] BTW: I have to test if the sound of my E 50 still works ...
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john black		#7 Posted : 20 August 2009 00:42:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by H0 <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black <br />Her electronics are just another example of M's newfandangled MFX-junk [xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(] Even worse: it's a non-mfx add-on sound board in this loco, not an mfx LokSound decoder Wrong, my friend. Sorry ... [:p]
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Bigdaddynz		#8 Posted : 20 August 2009 00:42:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,775 Location: New Zealand		Dang, and I was wanting to buy one of these locos. You guys are starting to put me off! Is the E41 better in this regard?
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H0		#9 Posted : 20 August 2009 00:53:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,456 Location: DE-NW		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by H0 <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black <br />Her electronics are just another example of M's newfandangled MFX-junk [xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(] Even worse: it's a non-mfx add-on sound board in this loco, not an mfx LokSound decoder Wrong, my friend. Sorry ... [:p] Sorry, but my statement is correct - at least with respect to my 39500: mfx-decoder w/o sound plus non-mfx add-on sound board. Sound volume not adjustable, only one sound at a time.
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john black		#10 Posted : 20 August 2009 00:58:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Come on - M says it is MFX so lets guess they can (at least) handle their catalogs ... Just read M's database carefully (the read underlining) * * * Funny - never had any trouble with my excellent, well-proven FX-decoders. Long live MOTOROLA [}:)]
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H0		#11 Posted : 20 August 2009 01:00:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,456 Location: DE-NW		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br />Is the E41 better in this regard? With respect to quality: I don't know. With respect to sound: it also has a mfx decoder without sound plus a non-mfx sound board. Nice try, but it plays the sounds of an E 10 (not an E 41). According to manual the sound volume is not adjustable. The Fleischmann E 41/141 sounds much better (but it has an old-fashioned and slightly noisier Fleischmann motor); it has a sound flaw: you also here the firecracker sound when slowing down.
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john black		#12 Posted : 20 August 2009 01:04:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br />Dang, and I was wanting to buy one of these locos. You guys are starting to put me off! Is the E41 better in this regard? David - got three E41s, so far. No problems. But then they're all from OLD M's non-mfx era ...
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H0		#13 Posted : 20 August 2009 01:04:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,456 Location: DE-NW		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black <br />Come on - M says it is MFX so lets guess they can (at least) handle their catalogs ... Just read M's database carefully (the read underlining) Product database reads: "The locomotive has an mfx digital decoder, high-efficiency Softdrive Sine propulsion, and a sound generator." Yes, there is an mfx decoder - but an mfx decoder without sound. The sound is a separate board. The loco is still running, but the sound fails. mfx is OK, the add-on-crap past away. Can't blame mfx for this sound problem. Possibly the speaker died; can't blame mfx for speaker problems.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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john black		#14 Posted : 20 August 2009 01:13:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Welcome to NEW M's Guessing Game [:p][:p][:p] Do new generation locos break cos they are MFX or do they break cos they are not MFX. Or just some parts of them. In the end it doesn't matter at all ... [xx(]
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davemr		#15 Posted : 20 August 2009 01:28:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/02/2009(UTC) Posts: 983 Location: ,		Looks like a nice loco which I wont be buying. All my mfx locos are fine without sound. As Tom says it is the add on bits that dont help. Could it be that the combination of mfx,sound board and sds motor is not that great. On the other hand my rail bus with sound is fantastic and other locos with sds (no sound) run very well.
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john black		#16 Posted : 20 August 2009 01:36:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br />This NY guy has really no clue about Märklin's products ... ... the failing sound has nothing to do with the mfx decoder. Such is most reassuring [xx(] for a consumer who has paid €300 for a brand new "premium" loco ... Me no clue on marklins ? HA !!! Big words from the Metropolis of Unter-Arschlingen
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TimR		#17 Posted : 20 August 2009 01:38:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		Just for clarifications; Two types of Marklin MFX model with sound; Bread and butter MFX (4 output functions) and a sound board. This will only have a limited number of playable sound available. Volume cannot be adjusted. Don't expect top notch sound quality too! - these are usually fitted with electrics. An integrated MFX (Lok)sound decoder - up to dozens of sound functions (Big Boys got the most option, I think). Many sound options are adjustable - whether you want one to be louder than the next, the brake squealing sound, etc. Should have better sound quality - so long as the speaker is large enough. - these are usually fitted on steamers and diesels
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H0		#18 Posted : 20 August 2009 01:48:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,456 Location: DE-NW		Tim, you're correct about the usual fittings, but some electrics (e. g. Taurus) also have the full mfx LokSound decoder - there is much more than just the blower sound with these new high-tech locos. Difficult to tell from the product database what you'll get.
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TimR		#19 Posted : 20 August 2009 05:47:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by H0 <br />Tim, you're correct about the usual fittings, but some electrics (e. g. Taurus) also have the full mfx LokSound decoder - there is much more than just the blower sound with these new high-tech locos. Difficult to tell from the product database what you'll get. Hi Tom, You are right, of course, that not all e-loks are fitted with sound board only. All the latest releases of Ae 6/6 models also come with full MFX Loksound decoder as well. I certainly hope Marklin upgraded their database to clarify this as well.
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pa-pauls		#20 Posted : 20 August 2009 11:31:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br />This NY guy has really no clue about Märklin's products. A good one Lutz I'll buy you a beer for that one I have had this loco and about 70 more with mfx without any problem's caused to mfx
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davemr		#21 Posted : 20 August 2009 13:39:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/02/2009(UTC) Posts: 983 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by pa-pauls <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br />This NY guy has really no clue about Märklin's products. A good one Lutz I'll buy you a beer for that one I have had this loco and about 70 more with mfx without any problem's casued to mfx The thread would be better without this type of comment. It is good though that you have 70 mfx locos all working well. I have nothing like that but they do all work OK.
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mjrallare		#22 Posted : 20 August 2009 14:38:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 563		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by pa-pauls A good one Lutz I'll buy you a beer for that one ... Not long ago, somebody mentioned something about a "Kindergarten". How ironic that the very same person then writes the above...
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pa-pauls		#23 Posted : 20 August 2009 14:54:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mjrallare Not long ago, somebody mentioned something about a "Kindergarten". How ironic that the very same person then writes the above... Yes and that topic was indeed turned into what I then called a "Kindergarten" but that is not the same as I can't give my comment's on other topic's or
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pa-pauls		#24 Posted : 20 August 2009 14:58:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by davemr The thread would be better without this type of comment. It is good though that you have 70 mfx locos all working well. I have nothing like that but they do all work OK. Why A person in this topic blamed the problem to be mfx and I then stated out that I have had no problem with my loco's that have mfx
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Bigdaddynz		#25 Posted : 20 August 2009 15:39:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,775 Location: New Zealand		Selective quoting there PÃ¥l....... I think davemr was referring to the " A good one Lutz I'll buy you a beer for that one " quote. However, I think we can all agree that the problem in this instance (E50) is not mfx related. As stated, it is most likely speaker or sound board related. A warranty repair should sort it out. And, I still want one of these locos......
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pa-pauls		#26 Posted : 20 August 2009 15:47:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		Hi David you got that one [:p] Go for it David it is a very nice model This is one of the model's I want to upgrade with a Loksound decoder and then it would be an even better model. On the other hand, I am, and I know many other member's here is, (also some that is not longer here), is very sick / tired of that someone uses every and I do mean every chance they got to talk negative about Märklin model's and or product's so I do understand Lutz very well on his comment in this topic. I do agree that some posting's are not neccessary etc but then 50% of this forum should be deleted [:o)]
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davemr		#27 Posted : 20 August 2009 17:14:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/02/2009(UTC) Posts: 983 Location: ,		Big D. Right on. There is a lot of selective quotes which we dont need with the winkie smilies. Stick to the topic. Eduardo has a problem with his model and assistance is what he requires not an advert for Marklin saying how wonderful they are. Tom above gives a balanced view from Germany which looks like a board or speaker failure. Eduardo will no doubt keep us up to date with what is a fault with his loco. I do not have any faults with my locos but that is of no use to somebody who has.
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john black		#28 Posted : 20 August 2009 23:11:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by pa-pauls <br />I am ... very sick / tired of that someone uses every and I do mean every chance they got to talk negative about Märklin model's and or product's so I do understand Lutz very well on his comment in this topic. Not true. If a model is OK it gets its well-deserved laurels, of course [:p][^] But if a model shows flaws or gives trouble we discuss this - such is the nature of a forum ... Alas - that this happens rather often in the recent past is definitely not the fault of us customers (<u>we</u> pay the money) but the fault of M's bad management & greedy investors [xx(][xx(][xx(] One word about your fella. He can't stand it other people than him were allowed to criticise his holy grail. Pah. Don't know if he's one of M's stockholders - I don't care But you & your buddy simply don't get it so read and learn: This is BIG JUHAN's WORLD FORUM where <u>free</u> people are talking marklins and mrr. And no "wise guy" from Germany will ever stop us ... [}:)][}:)][}:)]
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pa-pauls		#29 Posted : 20 August 2009 23:54:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		Originally posted by john black[/i] Not true. What's not true John My statement above It is my meaning and how I see it. Don't tell me what to mean, please [}:)] If a model is OK it gets its well-deserved laurels, of course [:p][^] Of course and that's up to who ever mean's what, or But if a model shows flaws or gives trouble we discuss this - such is the nature of a forum ... Agreed, it should be Alas - that this happens rather often in the recent past is definitely not the fault of us customers (we pay the money) but the fault of M's bad management & greedy investors [xx(][xx(][xx(] Yes you have a point there. Very true One word about your fella. My fella I suppose you mean Lutz Actually I have met Lutz personally 2 or 3 time's and spoken on phone or e-mail's with him many times and he is actually one of the most honest people I do know. No mather what you think about him I simply don't care... He can't stand it other people than him were allowed to criticise his holy grail. Pah. Don't know if he's one of M's stockholders - I don't care This is actually not true at all as I have discussed many topic's about Märklin model's with him the last year or so and he is actually very open minded to hear other's opinion, at least with me. If he is a stockholder or not is not the point
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Webmaster		#30 Posted : 21 August 2009 00:05:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		But we also have the hardcore facts given by Tom - mfx decoder, soft-drive Sinus and sound electronics - as opposed to mfx with sound... I guess you can interpret it wrongly during translation, and as I see it - you were wrong this time regarding the newfandangled mfx, John... At least Eduardo has got some answers, it's probably the sound module/speaker that is in error in some way.... And we don't need another outbreak of personal attacks/defenses!!! You can argue with the views of a member, but not assume things about a member as a person! Please try to understand the difference! Since this a free forum, respect towards other members is assumed... All members are equal, there are no members who are better or worse than others...
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john black		#31 Posted : 21 August 2009 00:12:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster <br />But we also have the hardcore facts given by Tom - mfx decoder, soft-drive Sinus and sound electronics - as opposed to mfx with sound... I guess you can interpret it wrongly during translation, and as I see it - you were wrong this time regarding the newfandangled mfx, John... Correct, Sir. I [:I] was wrong with that sound thingy - and Tom was right (who BTW knows a thousing times more about marklin-electronics than me)
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Webmaster		#32 Posted : 21 August 2009 00:30:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		I have actually had an mfx decoder breakdown, so it quite natural for me too to assume the decoder has gone wrong, but in Eduardo's case the decoder worked as expected but no sound came from the sound board... After investigation on my own broken mfx decoder, it showed that one of the pins in the MTC connector was bent and not connected while shorting another pin - I put that into the "made in China" category, but that is a totally different discussion...
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john black		#33 Posted : 21 August 2009 00:35:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Well, in the case of the aphone E50 my European dealer told me he had to send back the whole batch (20 locos). That was when my interest cooled down a bit ... [:I]
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eduard71		#34 Posted : 21 August 2009 00:55:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 297 Location: Santiago		Dear All, Yesterday I put again my E50 on the tracks, the sound returned but only for about 35 seconds, then the sound never came again. I will send the locomotive to Marklin. After your comments I guess the problem is the sound module. Regards and thank you to all.
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john black		#35 Posted : 21 August 2009 01:08:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Most welcome, Eduardo. But please - by all means try to get your loco <u>repaired</u> (no exchange)
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john black		#36 Posted : 21 August 2009 01:15:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster <br />I put that into the "made in China" category, but that is a totally different discussion CHINA !!! [:0] - lets guess you overread the "doctrine" there is no such thing. Never was
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davemr		#37 Posted : 21 August 2009 01:24:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/02/2009(UTC) Posts: 983 Location: ,		Hi John. At least you are a gentleman and admit you were wrong about the mfx decoder. The fact still remains that this loco is faulty and as you say your dealer had to send back a batch of twenty. Pity that these posts get spoiled when somebody can not appreciate that a forum member has a problem. Looking back at old threads this is nothing new and you always come out as the guy with the sense of humour. Meanwhile of much more importance is Eduardos loco and I hope all goes well with it but if it was me I would be looking for a refund.
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john black		#38 Posted : 21 August 2009 01:28:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Humour is what gets us along, Sir ... [}:)] Refund ? - guess Eduardo wants her back the way she should be. BTW, all locos came back to dealer. Repaired and working nicely ... [^]
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davemr		#39 Posted : 21 August 2009 01:39:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/02/2009(UTC) Posts: 983 Location: ,		Hi John. Place to get one is at your dealer where we know they are all OK. Sounds like my sort of dealer.
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john black		#40 Posted : 21 August 2009 10:36:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY
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Bigdaddynz		#41 Posted : 22 August 2009 03:58:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,775 Location: New Zealand		Or it could be a dry solder joint causing intermittent operation of the loudspeaker.
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dalym001		#42 Posted : 26 August 2009 16:59:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/05/2008(UTC) Posts: 67 Location: London,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by H0 <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br />Is the E41 better in this regard? With respect to quality: I don't know. With respect to sound: it also has a mfx decoder without sound plus a non-mfx sound board. Nice try, but it plays the sounds of an E 10 (not an E 41). According to manual the sound volume is not adjustable. The Fleischmann E 41/141 sounds much better (but it has an old-fashioned and slightly noisier Fleischmann motor); it has a sound flaw: you also here the firecracker sound when slowing down. I've got the new E 41 (39410) and the operating sounds worked ok since day 1 but the whistle and brake sounds didn't. I sent it back to M* and when I got it back I found that the operating and whistle sounds now work ok but the brake squealing still doesn't work. I've decided to live without it rather than go through the hassle of sending it back again. Other than the sound, I think the model is great and well made and it runs beautifully.
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Goofy		#43 Posted : 26 August 2009 17:46:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,282		With DCC brake squealing works all the times,when locomotivs brakes down in speed. And you can also adjusts brake sound too!
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tekin65		#44 Posted : 26 August 2009 18:16:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,151 Location: istanbul,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by dalym001 <br />I've got the new E 41 (39410) and the operating sounds worked ok since day 1 but the whistle and brake sounds didn't. I sent it back to M* and when I got it back I found that the operating and whistle sounds now work ok but the brake squealing still doesn't work. Surely, this must be a joke [xx(] How do you put up with such thing? I would have gone crazy ... I guess all in mother M* headquarters wear t-shirts printed "I don't care" these days. Cem.
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davemr		#45 Posted : 26 August 2009 18:25:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/02/2009(UTC) Posts: 983 Location: ,		Brake squealing sounds have to be set properly and there are previous threads here which cover that. If you search back you will find that many people have had the same problem but with the correct setting all should be OK.
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davemr		#46 Posted : 26 August 2009 19:15:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/02/2009(UTC) Posts: 983 Location: ,		Good explanation Lutz. I did not know that it was not a standard sound decoder as I dont have the loco.
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davemr		#47 Posted : 26 August 2009 22:32:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/02/2009(UTC) Posts: 983 Location: ,		I think Tom has it about right along with John that this sound board which has been added cannot match an mfx sound decoder. If there is no volume control and only one sound at a time then why bother with a sound version at all.
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john black		#48 Posted : 26 August 2009 23:04:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Yep - Tom is a Guru. Got way more idea about this electronics stuff.
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dalym001		#49 Posted : 28 August 2009 15:14:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/05/2008(UTC) Posts: 67 Location: London,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br />Hi Martin, brake squealing works only slightly different for this (and other) model/s with their separate sound generator chip, compared to models with full sound decoder. Break squealing will in any case only work if a) the sound is on (button 3 on the MS) and b) the loco speed was more than Vmax/2 before turning the speed knob down to 0 and c) the break squealing disable button is off. Pressing the corresponding function key (button 5/symbol "F" on the MS) actually disables brake squealing; keep in mind that pressing the signal horn button while breaking overrides the brake squealing (that's one of the operations which work different with full sound decoders, due to their multi-channel sound generation). Thanks for that Lutz, but brake squealing is definitely not working in my model as I have tried it with all those settings in place, i.e. using CS1 reloaded, with operating sounds on, brake squealing function not disabled, and stopping from max speed. But I don't mind - the model is still excellent in my mind - brake squealing is only a "bonus" and not something I care much about - I do like the whistle though so I'm glad that was fixed.
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Peterail		#50 Posted : 28 August 2009 15:38:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 48 Location: ,		I like the brake squealing on my models and think it is one of the best sounds available. Do make sure you have all the settings correct and if not working I would get it fixed.
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