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Offline applor  
#1 Posted : 09 July 2009 06:54:59(UTC)
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Hello,
I am looking at maybe buying this set.
This is the Blauer Enzian/ Blue Gentian TEE 55/56 Car Display set with 6 coaches.

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I've been interested in a TEE set for a long time and I like this one because it comes as a set of 6 and true 1:87 length.

Would the 103, model 39579 be okay to pull this?

My other alternative would be to buy the 26540 set. This comes with a BR112 which would be great and also has the vista dome car which I really want but its also twice the price and I believe the coaches are the 1:93 scale?

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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#2 Posted : 09 July 2009 11:21:23(UTC)
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Eric, I think the Blauer Enzian/ Blue Gentian coaches may have been pulled by the BR218 Diesel loco. Having said that, I'm sure an E103 would do just as well. It would be what I would probably use should I ever purchase those coaches. The 26540 TEE Rheinpfeil is a great set, I certainly love my one. You may have trouble getting the two additional coaches - 43855 and 43865 - as they are quite hard to come by.
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Offline WelshMatt  
#3 Posted : 09 July 2009 12:28:54(UTC)
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If you have trouble getting the additional coaches from Marklin, keep an eye out for the Trix versions. Absolutely identical apart from numbers and DC wheelsets (which are fine on C track).
Matt from Wales.

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Offline H0  
#4 Posted : 09 July 2009 12:29:52(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by applor
<br />I've been interested in a TEE set for a long time and I like this one because it comes as a set of 6 and true 1:87 length.

The number is 00776, it is a set of 12 coaches - and it's not 1:87 (shortened just like 26540).
Many dealers will sell them as sets of 6 coaches.

It's era III, so E 03 or E 10.12 should fit (103 or 112 are too young (era IV)).
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#5 Posted : 12 July 2009 09:42:28(UTC)
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Actually I lied slightly. It was the TEE Bavaria that was pulled by the Br218. But I'm sure a E103 will do the job pulling the 00776 train just fine.
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Offline river6109  
#6 Posted : 12 July 2009 10:01:45(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by applor
<br />Hello,
I am looking at maybe buying this set.
This is the Blauer Enzian/ Blue Gentian TEE 55/56 Car Display set with 6 coaches.


I've been interested in a TEE set for a long time and I like this one because it comes as a set of 6 and true 1:87 length.


My other alternative would be to buy the 26540 set. This comes with a BR112 which would be great and also has the vista dome car which I really want but its also twice the price and I believe the coaches are the 1:93 scale?



the carriages are not 1:87 but 1:93 and are longer than previous produced Märklin TEE carriages.
Each coach is 282mm long, far short of 303mm

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Offline H0  
#7 Posted : 12 July 2009 23:11:03(UTC)
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Hi everybody!
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
<br />It was the TEE Bavaria that was pulled by the Br218.

Or was it BR 210?!?!?!?
Neither BR 218 nor BR 210 existed in era III.

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
<br />But I'm sure a E103 will do the job pulling the 00776 train just fine.

There is no "E103".
In era III there were 4 pre-series locos of class E 03 (and this is an era III set).
In era IV there was class 103 (without E). You can use a class 103 loco with this set (if you don't mind that the coaches are marked for era III and not era IV).

E 03, E 10.12, E 10.3, and V 200 all pulled TEE trains in era III.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#8 Posted : 13 July 2009 00:38:44(UTC)
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Tom, I'm sure everyone knows what I mean by the E103. Yes I know it is really either an E03 or BR103, I got a wee bit lazy. Mind you that's not the first time I've referred to the E03 as the E103, but it is the first time someone has complained about it......wink
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Offline H0  
#9 Posted : 13 July 2009 02:53:23(UTC)
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David, I ain't complaining. But class 103 stands for 149 locomotives, while class E 03 stands for only 4 locomotives - and only these 4 really match the trainset in question.

Class 103 or 120.0 locomotives can be used, too - if one doesn't mind the era mismatch.
Eric asked about the scale length of the coaches, so I thought he'd care about era accuracy, too.
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Offline mike c  
#10 Posted : 13 July 2009 05:44:05(UTC)
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As this "Blauer Enzian" Set and the Trix "Roland" Set are both reflecting the prototype around 1971, so the train could have been pulled by a E10-12, 112, E03 or E103, the first of which went into service in 1970.
In regards to the use of the term E vs BR, the E in front of the lok series denoted "electric" so referring to the lok as E 103 is perfectly fine. The term BR (Baureihe) has become more common since that time.
The only distinction that I would make is that the train would have been hauled by a 103 with the black skirting and classic pantograph and not by one of the loks with red skirting, single arm pantos or extended cab.
One note: The 103 would likely only have been used as far as Munich because the OBB had restricted the permission 103 to operate on it's lines, and on those trains where the 103 was allowed, the max speed was limited. (Source: BahnProfil 38).
For the Trix model (TEE Roland), the train could be pulled by a SBB Re 4/4II TEE as well (Basel-Chiasso).
If you are interested in a 1:87 TEE trainset, Roco released a 1960s version as 45924. There is also a Set this year for the TEE Merkur, which was pulled by Diesel for part of the route.
More information on TEE trains can be found here:
http://www.heinrich-hank...ahn/zugbildung/index.htm
http://www.dbtrains.com/en/trains/epochIII/TEE
http://homepages.cwi.nl/...sh/public_transport/TEE/

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Offline applor  
#11 Posted : 13 July 2009 06:42:50(UTC)
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Yeah I was looking around at what TEE sets I could get, mainly one with the dome vista car and since the add-on cars for the 26540 can't be found I did come across the Roco 45924 set.
It's a very nice looking set and true 1:87 length as well. The only problem now is you mentioned its from the 1960's which means my BR103 would not realistically be pulling those, especially since it shouldn't even be pulling the Blauer Enzian or Rheinpfiel sets.
So I did not realise this but realistically there were no TEE sets ever pulled by a BR103 - only by the E03 etc.?

I am okay with the 1:93 coaches as I already have a fair few and I'd need to get an E12 or E03 to realistically run an electric TEE trainset which means I might as well buy the Rheinpfiel set.
What are the Trix numbers for the 2 add-on cars for the Rheinpfiel set?

Guess that means my BR103 (39579) should only be pulling the era 4 IC sets - like the sudwind? :(
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Offline H0  
#12 Posted : 13 July 2009 22:40:30(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mike c
<br />As this "Blauer Enzian" Set and the Trix "Roland" Set are both reflecting the prototype around 1971

No, the Enzian set reflects the state of Autumn 1967.
Class 103 doesn't match.
Roland is era IV so class 103 does match.

E stands for electric, V for Diesel. These letters were not replaced by BR.
BR E 03 later became BR 103.

E was replaced by leading digit 1, V was replaced by leading digit 2 (DR made it the other way around).

Things can be rather confusing. Especially since the era III letter is used with the era IV class number.
Some folks write V 220 or V 218 or whatever. It's common practice, but it's not correct.

The M* "E 120" (37538) is authentic coz the manufacturer of the prototype loco lettered it that way. Correct it is not.

Era III: short numbers on coaches.
Era IV: long numbers on coaches.

If you don't mind the numbers, then a BR 103 can pull an Enzian set.

@Eric: Südwind is the correct era, but it's only 1:100 in length scale. The coaches from 26540 (sometimes sold without locomotive) are also era IV.
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Offline TTRExpress  
#13 Posted : 13 July 2009 23:01:54(UTC)
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The blue/cream "Rheingold" series by TRIX has the following individual item numbers: TRIX 23410 to TRIX 23413.

The red/cream "Rheinpfeil" series by TRIX has the following individual item numbers: TRIX 23421 to 23425.

The TEE set "Bavaria" is numbered TRIX 23427.

For TRIX Express the TEE "Rheingold" set was number TRIX 31370. If you purchase the TRIX wagons all you will need is the Maerklin 70 0150 wheel sets.
Regards (a Scot in Wisconsin),

Maurice [ETE, TTRCA, IG-TRIX Express, Maerklin-Insider & TRIX Profi-Club]
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Offline mike c  
#14 Posted : 13 July 2009 23:49:34(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by applor
<br />Yeah I was looking around at what TEE sets I could get, mainly one with the dome vista car and since the add-on cars for the 26540 can't be found I did come across the Roco 45924 set.
It's a very nice looking set and true 1:87 length as well. The only problem now is you mentioned its from the 1960's which means my BR103 would not realistically be pulling those, especially since it shouldn't even be pulling the Blauer Enzian or Rheinpfiel sets.
So I did not realise this but realistically there were no TEE sets ever pulled by a BR103 - only by the E03 etc.?

I am okay with the 1:93 coaches as I already have a fair few and I'd need to get an E12 or E03 to realistically run an electric TEE trainset which means I might as well buy the Rheinpfeil set.
What are the Trix numbers for the 2 add-on cars for the Rheinpfeil set?

Guess that means my BR103 (39579) should only be pulling the era 4 IC sets - like the sudwind? :(


The Trix coaches were available individually and AC wheelsets make them fully compatible with Maerklin. The coaches are numbered as follows:

23425 Avum (Tapered Roof with Taillights)
23421 Apum
23422 Domecar
23423 Restaurant WRumh
23424 Avum

The Maerklin coaches are:
43855 Avum (Steildach with Taillight)
43865 Apum

The Domecar and Restaurant were not separately available from Maerklin.

Maerklin may release 1:93 versions of the more modern Eurofima Type coaches as well as newer models of the Avmz and Apmz coaches. If you cannot wait, you might find these Fleischmann Sets to be of interest:

http://www.eurorailhobbies.com/...-561901&MN=5&CA=

http://www.eurorailhobbies.com/...;stock=FL-561902&CA=

This would allow you to create a complete IC from around 1979-1985

Regards

Mike C
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