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pa-pauls		#1 Posted : 12 December 2008 21:49:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		Hi friend's I have the model 37772, red, and I like it a lot [:p] but is there really any difference to the model 37774 except colour of course
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steventrain		#2 Posted : 12 December 2008 22:03:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,697 Location: United Kingdom		The 37774 have lighting with maintenance-free, warm white LEDs. I have the 37772 with yellow LEDs.
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pa-pauls		#3 Posted : 13 December 2008 16:29:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		Ok, Steven I'll ordered it anyway [:p]
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Gregor		#4 Posted : 29 May 2009 15:55:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 997 Location: Netherlands		Hi all, I like the 37774 a lot, but in the model review section, Tamrac commented on some restrictions with regard to curves and grades: There can be no change of grade on curves or right after a curve (I guess a Helix is out) Maximum change in grade between two sections of track 1% Minimum length in track before the next change in grade 180mm (very long ramps) Since I have a helixs and some grades connected to a curve, this might be an issue. For those who have this model (37770 to 37774), what is your experience with this train ? Is derailment an issue ? Best regards, Gregor
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foumaro		#5 Posted : 29 May 2009 17:13:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,430 Location: Attiki Athens Greece		I have the 37771,similar model to the 37770(it is the metal edition) and i do not have problems with my c track.
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H0		#6 Posted : 29 May 2009 18:58:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,460 Location: DE-NW		Hi! Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Gregor <br />I like the 37774 a lot, but in the model review section, Tamrac commented on some restrictions with regard to curves and grades: There can be no change of grade on curves or right after a curve (I guess a Helix is out) Maximum change in grade between two sections of track 1% Minimum length in track before the next change in grade 180mm (very long ramps) This information cannot be found in the manuals of 37772 or 37774. I have no problems with derailments, but I don't have any ramps yet. Hints on "Transfer rail / gradient and start of bend" can be found in the manuals of many locos (e. g. BR 45, BR 38, BR 05, ...) - but not this SVT. The manual of the 37770 is not available for download.
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kimballthurlow		#7 Posted : 30 May 2009 01:47:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,764 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Hi, I have the 37774 model. I believe it is different to the previous versions (like 37772) because it has a soft-drive sine motor (SDS). See my review under the Review section. I ran mine at full speed through reverse R1 curves - no problems. But my layout is all level, there are no vertical curves. I really like this train set, it is the only rail car I have. regards Kimball
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H0		#8 Posted : 30 May 2009 02:15:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,460 Location: DE-NW		Hi! 37772 also has the SDS.
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kimballthurlow		#9 Posted : 30 May 2009 06:02:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,764 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Here is a picture of the VT 04 (37774) running on my Altkloster layout. regards Kimball
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Bigdaddynz		#10 Posted : 10 June 2009 11:24:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,777 Location: New Zealand		I have the chance to get a near new 37772 at a very good price. If any one has experience with the VT04 on grades, etc, I would be interested to know. My layout has curved ramps leading to a bridge (R1 and R2), and also curved rails at the start of an incline, which also go through a tunnel. My BR45 has no problems with these. Maybe I should see if I can test drive it on my layout before committing to a purchase! From memory, I think mmrcnzjohn's 37770 'Flying Hamburger' handled the R1/R2 helix on our club layout without issues.
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Gregor		#11 Posted : 10 June 2009 14:49:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 997 Location: Netherlands		Hi Bigdaddynz Hopefully next week i will be able to tell you, I just ordered a 37774. BTW, the 37770,1,2,3,4 sets are of the type 'Hamburg', which is not exactly the same as the Flying Hamburger, which was the prototype. For instance the windows are larger. See http://www.dbtrains.com/en/trainsets/epochII/VT877 and http://www.dbtrains.com/...sets/epochII/SVT_Hamburg for data on these trains. Ultimately various types have been developed: Hamburg, Köln, Leipzig, Berlin. I would love to see a 'Leipzig', which was a 3-car consist on my layout.... Best regards, Gregor
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Bigdaddynz		#12 Posted : 10 June 2009 15:24:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,777 Location: New Zealand		Thanks Gregor.
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steventrain		#13 Posted : 10 June 2009 16:27:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,697 Location: United Kingdom		Very nice, Kimball.
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rcorreia		#14 Posted : 10 June 2009 17:15:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 255 Location: Lisboa, Portugal		Hello to all I have received a similar model (not Marklin, btw)... it's the Kato version of the VT04 for AC. My experience with this model is exactly the same as recommended for Marklin. Doesn't like helixes nor the old-design turnouts because of the larger boxes... apart from that, I love it's way of running, even on some R1 tracks, with no problem... here's my photo contribution:
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tekin65		#15 Posted : 10 June 2009 21:53:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,151 Location: istanbul,		Hi bigdaddy, I have test-run my 37770 today for you. R1 curves: no difficulty Death ramp (8%): flawless Older M turnouts (with big lanterns): never try If steep grades is your concern; don't worry. Cem.
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Bigdaddynz		#16 Posted : 11 June 2009 00:28:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,777 Location: New Zealand		Thanks Cem, that helps a lot. Fortunately I replaced all of my turnouts with the big lamps, with the newer ones. I'll probably get the chance to run it on our club layout on Friday night. The club layout has an R1/R2 helix. Thanks for your picture and report Ricardo, much appreciated.
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Bigdaddynz		#17 Posted : 14 June 2009 01:22:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,777 Location: New Zealand		Well, we ran the VT 04 on our club layout and it ran fine over the helix. The layout is a mix of M and C track. I then brought it home and ran it on mine. Apart for some stuttering caused by gunk on the pickup shoe, which I cleaned off, it ran around my layout without problems. My layout has gradients on some curves (R1 / R2 - all M track), there were no issues with 37772 negotiating these, or with negotiating double slip switches, 3 way turnouts, curved turnouts or normal turnouts. It sure is a nice model, people at our club were ooooing and arrring, some were wishing they had brought it! It has a great series of diesel and other operationg sounds. Clapcott did comment that he prefers the original cream / violet colours of the original 'Hamburg' railcar (37770). I shall follow up with some photos.
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kimballthurlow		#18 Posted : 14 June 2009 03:17:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,764 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Hi Ricardo, Very nice Kato model, I guess it is a plastic body? I think Kato also did some later model railcars, which were sold by Noch. Hi Gregor, thanks for the useful links. There was also an overhead electric version of this rail car. By the way (BTW), the 37774 is the model of the only car set that was converted from diesel-electric, to diesel hydraulic, and was probably the only one ever painted grey. regards Kimball
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Bigdaddynz		#19 Posted : 14 June 2009 06:50:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,777 Location: New Zealand		Kimball, I hate to contradict you, but according to the notes that accompany 37772 in the 2007/2008 Marklin catalog, the 2 red versions of the VT 04 (known as the 'Montan Express' - FT231 and FT232) were converted to diesel hydraulic running.
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kimballthurlow		#20 Posted : 14 June 2009 11:36:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,764 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Hi David, Yes, rather confusing. I believe the only unit converted to hydraulic transmission was ex DRG SVT 137 227. This is the unit that when converted in 1951, became VT 04 501. At the same time it was painted blue/grey, and at some time later may have been repainted red. So perhaps 37772 in red is also VT 04 501. regards Kimball
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steventrain		#21 Posted : 14 June 2009 12:03:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,697 Location: United Kingdom		Very nice model, Ricardo.
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Bigdaddynz		#22 Posted : 14 June 2009 12:03:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,777 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by kimballthurlow <br />So perhaps 37772 in red is also VT 04 501. Kimball, here is your answer...... (Sorry about the contrast in some of these photos, the natural light was not so good today.) Edited by moderator 11 January 2011 19:19:13(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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kimballthurlow		#23 Posted : 14 June 2009 12:15:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,764 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Excellent David. My guess is the red colour was used from 1953, for the Montan Express, as suggested. The links entered by Gregor, also show that at some stage after WWII, some of the SVT 137 were painted green. Märklin have a choice to make more models. regards Kimball
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Bigdaddynz		#24 Posted : 14 June 2009 12:20:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,777 Location: New Zealand		Yes they do Kimball. Not forgetting that there were 2 Montan Express Railcars, (according to the M catalog) both were converted to diesel hydraulic running.
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steventrain		#25 Posted : 14 June 2009 12:23:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,697 Location: United Kingdom		I have the 37772 as well, The lights bright too much.
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pa-pauls		#26 Posted : 14 June 2009 15:31:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		If you have a ESU LokProgrammer Steven you can dimm the lights down
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Bigdaddynz		#27 Posted : 15 June 2009 00:58:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,777 Location: New Zealand		I find the lights OK, but that is interesting to know Pål.
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H0		#28 Posted : 15 June 2009 02:22:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,460 Location: DE-NW		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by pa-pauls <br />If you have a ESU LokProgrammer Steven you can dimm the lights down CS1 can do it, too!
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Gregor		#29 Posted : 19 June 2009 10:51:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 997 Location: Netherlands		She arrived ! My new 37774. Beautiful heavy set. My worries about derailments etc. did not come true, she seems glued to the track. I let her run through the most notorious corners of my layout, where curves, turnouts and inclines meet, but not a single issue. And I really tried my best until deep in the night ! Pics next week. A great model, Best regards, Gregor
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spillay		#30 Posted : 19 June 2009 12:44:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 63 Location: ,		I have the 37774 and 37770 both of them are glued to track and I simply love these Railcars,I have no issues at all. I have also run them on R1 curves with no issues. They are just awsome. BR
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steventrain		#31 Posted : 19 June 2009 20:08:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,697 Location: United Kingdom		Hi and Welcome to the forum, Spillay.
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Gregor		#32 Posted : 23 June 2009 01:22:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 997 Location: Netherlands		Hi all, As promised, some pics: The model has no issue at all with grades, inclines, turnouts or any combination thereof (at least on my layout). Here you see it negotiate some turnouts. It will hit the old model big turnout lamp though. Illumination with warmwhite leds,.... makes all my other trains look old-fashioned...[xx(] I only buy a new train every 4-5 years. I will not regret this one ! Best regards, Gregor
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kimballthurlow		#33 Posted : 24 June 2009 02:57:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,764 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Hi Gregor, Nice photographs - especially the one near the signal box, that's a classic. regards Kimball
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kimballthurlow		#34 Posted : 27 June 2009 13:00:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,764 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Hans has one of the 37774 for sale. See https://www.williwill.de/products_new.php?page=3 regards Kimball
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steventrain		#35 Posted : 27 June 2009 13:44:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,697 Location: United Kingdom		I like your model, Gregor.
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river6109		#36 Posted : 27 June 2009 13:48:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,876 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br />Although these newer models, especially now equipped with SDS are quite attractive, I must admit - the Ep.II version and in particular the livery of that time is one of my real favorites. Although I have the new warm-white headlight and interior LED pcb's already laying around since some time, I still could not yet decide whether I should install it or not. Converting also this model to full sound, similar to those Ep.III ones, is really quite straight forward - simply "throw out" the old decoder, the old loudspeaker and the single shot pcb and replace them by an ESU sound decoder and 40x20mm LS. ESU had even offered once a dedicated mfx Sound conversion set for this great train (#61450); nowadays you simply take #62450 (mfx) and the corresponding LS. (Carefully!) drilling the suitable holes into the bottom really gives substantial extra volume. Lutz, The photo above is this the original LS ? Edited by moderator 11 January 2011 19:15:54(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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steventrain		#37 Posted : 28 June 2009 23:34:37(UTC) Retweet
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spillay		#38 Posted : 29 June 2009 00:51:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 63 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain <br />Hi and Welcome to the forum, Spillay. Hi StevenTrain, Thanks for Welcome,I have been reading this forum for sometime and must admit that there is a wealth of information to be read. I am from South Africa but currently on contract in Uganda,well been here for the past 3 years. Only started collecting trains very recently and now cannot stop.I love the railcars and both 37770,37774 are my favorites. Once again thanks,I aint no expert in MRR but I guess I will learn more in time.
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