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Offline alonso231gery  
#1 Posted : 20 May 2009 02:23:15(UTC)
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Have in mind please:
-Robustness.
-Torque.
-Cost.
An outsider.
I'm looking for the owner of that horse. He's tall, blonde, he smokes a cigar, and he's a pig!
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Offline rene  
#2 Posted : 20 May 2009 02:52:41(UTC)
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Offline nevw  
#3 Posted : 20 May 2009 03:25:00(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by alonso231gery
<br />Have in mind please:
-Robustness.
-Torque.
-Cost.

Nikos, the one I am about to buy is the Best.
However I really like the Re 4/4 11 or the Re 460, RE 465
They all robust, run and look great.
You have to look carefully on Cost as some versions of any particular model the price can vary greatly.

To get an idea of NEW prices in the US have a look here:
-31 AC digital -32 Ac Digital with Sound
http://www.eurolokshop.com/stor...g-ho-locomotives-ac.html

Nev
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NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
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Offline alonso231gery  
#4 Posted : 20 May 2009 04:19:26(UTC)
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I was thinking about a Re 6/6 or a Re 465 Nev (lately more about it), i will propably visit only the shop near the station that Stephan and Mike suggested to me.
I will really try to visit one more.
This store you suggestrf is really nice, but unfortunately far away from Greece (EU)...
An outsider.
I'm looking for the owner of that horse. He's tall, blonde, he smokes a cigar, and he's a pig!
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Offline nevw  
#5 Posted : 20 May 2009 04:34:01(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by alonso231gery
<br />I was thinking about a Re 6/6 or a Re 465 Nev (lately more about it), i will propably visit only the shop near the station that Stephan and Mike suggested to me.
I will really try to visit one more.
This store you suggestrf is really nice, but unfortunately far away from Greece (EU)...

I have been to that shop near the station but at that time only interested in Marklin. Did not know about HAG then, (Pity). They had a good range of stock. I have heard that the cellar is an Aladdin's Cave full of goodies.
I have a 465 and it is nice, they all are.
Nev
NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
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Offline mike c  
#6 Posted : 20 May 2009 05:51:38(UTC)
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Alonso,

some of the deals listed at eurolokshop at cheaper than the Swiss prices. The reason, they were bought when the US dollar was higher against the Swiss Franc, so when you compare the current prices, they come out quite a bit cheaper.

Compare the USD to CHF rates and you will see.
Shipping from the US to Greece will be between 25 and 40USD.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline nevw  
#7 Posted : 20 May 2009 05:56:59(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mike c
<br />Alonso,

some of the deals listed at eurolokshop at cheaper than the Swiss prices. The reason, they were bought when the US dollar was higher against the Swiss Franc, so when you compare the current prices, they come out quite a bit cheaper.

Compare the USD to CHF rates and you will see.
Shipping from the US to Greece will be between 25 and 40USD.

Regards

Mike C


Mike , you are forgetting that he will have to pay VAT on he import

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NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
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Offline mike c  
#8 Posted : 20 May 2009 06:35:47(UTC)
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If you want to go for a Hag model, you may wish to choose one that does not exist anywhere else, ie the Re 450 (S-Bahn), Re 456 SOB, Re 4/4 (SOB, VHB, MThb, EBT, etc) or one of the Re 460, Re 4/4 or Re 6/6 Werbeloks or even the BDe 4/4 that can be used with the Maerklin pilot coach 43410.

Which ever model you choose, I am sure that it will become one of your favorites very quickly.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline Guus  
#9 Posted : 20 May 2009 11:33:35(UTC)
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Hi Nikos,

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Nikos:
<br />Have in mind please:
-Robustness.
-Torque.
-Cost.


In my opinion all HAG locomotives are robust and have more than enough torque to pull a large train.
Cost, however is another matter. Generally speaking the Re 4/4I and the Re 4/4II models are the least expensive, but I think Märklin's equivalents are very competitive, both in quality and cost.

Beware, the really beautiful Ae 4/7 may be a bit problematic if you run it over slim Märklin turnouts, because of the large drive wheel's gears which may cause a short. Besides that, they're very expensive.

I agree with Mike, a special variant may be the one to go for.

Success with your decision and have fun In Zürich.

Kind regards
Guus





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Offline mike c  
#10 Posted : 20 May 2009 13:44:17(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw

Mike , you are forgetting that he will have to pay VAT on he import

N


Nev,

did not forget. I also took into account that he would likely have to pay VAT on any shipment coming from Switzerland as well. Until CH is fully integrated into the EU, this will likely be the case.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline RayF  
#11 Posted : 20 May 2009 13:55:29(UTC)
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I don't have any Hag locos yet, but I have some of their light weight coaches, which I'm very happy with. I also got an older restaurant coach which I thought would go OK with them, but it is much taller and wider. Afterwards I found out that the older Hag locos and coaches are over scale, and don't match the newer ones, so beware any old bargains!
Ray
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Offline chrisisrang  
#12 Posted : 20 May 2009 15:51:01(UTC)
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Hi!

I have been a big fan of HAG since I started adding them to my collection about two years ago. Although one pays a significant price premium for HAGs, they are extremely addictive and provide considerable joy when you get to admire them!!!

The build quality is amazing. One area in which the HAGs beat Marklin locos hands down is the sound, which is much fuller than that on Marklin models. In additioon, the HAG models have full set of sound functions offered by ESU compared with Marklin models which typically only have a limited set. I was completely blown away when I heard the sound on my Ae 6/6 Erstfeld Cargo and compared it with Marklin's #37363 - huge difference

The areas where the HAG locos lack are perhaps in the area of electronics and the motor, which may not necessarily be as advanced as Marklin Soft Drive C-Sine (although the HAG locos run extremely well).

My favourites are all the cargo variants - Ae 6/6, Re 6/6 Muri with two Motors and Re 4/4II (Re 420). I also have the SBB 460 Lotschberg Basis and SBB BLS 465 "Jungfrau Marathon" Unlike, Marklin Re 4/4II that does not have much space for the sound decoder and speaker, the HAGs with sound are amazing.

The IC2000 coaches are wonderful although they are quite expensive (even without the interior lights). I was quite impressed with HAG's freight cars as well.

On the whole, I feel extremely satisfied with my HAG "investments". My next project later in the year is adding lights to the IC2000 coaches.

Cheers,

Chris
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Offline Unholz  
#13 Posted : 20 May 2009 15:54:06(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mike c
Until CH is fully integrated into the EU, this will likely be the case.


...poor fellow - if he decides to wait for such an integration, he will have to postpone his visit for at least one hundred years. biggrinwink

As to a model recommendation, I would go for a recent Re 460 or 465 with sound for starters. One of these should give you the best general impression of HAG and trouble-free satisfaction.
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Offline davemr  
#14 Posted : 20 May 2009 18:18:11(UTC)
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All HAG models afre great. You will be happy with any of them. As for cost expect to pay a lot as they are all expensive. If cash is a problem go for Marklin.
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Offline bmcrae  
#15 Posted : 20 May 2009 20:08:03(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Unholz

As to a model recommendation, I would go for a recent Re 460 or 465 with sound for starters. One of these should give you the best general impression of HAG and trouble-free satisfaction.


I can also recommend this as my first HAG lok (and most recent arrival) is an Re465 with sound!! Love it!!! [:p]
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Offline plavnostruev  
#16 Posted : 20 May 2009 22:47:57(UTC)
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Back in the days when I just happily played with trains, my first HAG engine was Ae BLS 8/8 w/2 motors (24012031). Since then I handled many incredible HAG models, but that Ae 8/8 still holds special place in my heart. Amazing puller and looker!

Mike
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Offline 5HorizonsRR  
#17 Posted : 21 May 2009 01:28:08(UTC)
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All of them!

I would offer this advice like Mike did- get something Marklin doesn't make! That way it is different. Also, I would roccomend a 460 but there isn't much there to differentiate it form a Marklin (simple shell)

I would do an AE 8/8 or a Bde 4/4 Just my 2 cents. They are all great!
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Offline mike c  
#18 Posted : 24 May 2009 05:34:54(UTC)
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It is important to remember that the Re4/4I, Re 4/4II (Nr 160/161), the BLS Re 4/4 and the BLS Ae 4/4 and Ae 8/8 are all "Old Generation" models that are slightly overdimensioned.
The modern Re 4/4II (2 Pantos), Re 6/6, Ae 6/6, Re 450, Re 456, Re 460/465 and BDe 4/4 models (New Generation) are exact 1:87.
I would recommend one of the so-called "NG" models. If you decide to go with a Re 460, there are quite a few liveries that are not available from other companies. The Hag Re 450, which is also available as a set with Fleischmann Double Deck coaches and pilot coach is a nice set, although the coaches are 1:93.
As I already stated, the Hag BDe 4/4 can be used with last year's Maerklin 43410 pilot coach and lightsteel coaches.
My preferred Hag loks (not available elsewhere) are as follows:

Re 460 RailAway
Re 4/4III Crossrail, Re 4/4II RM, Re 420 Cargo
Re 6/6 Red*
(*Roco's model has issues with light shining through shell)
BDe 4/4
Ae 6/6 with red light between front windows. (Maerklin does not make this version other than the classic 3050).

I am sure that whichever model you choose, you will be very happy with it. My latest was a Re 4/4II TEE with Sound.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline 5HorizonsRR  
#19 Posted : 24 May 2009 06:44:39(UTC)
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Hey Mike, have any idea if the new BM 4/4 diesel is full scale, or a rework of the old RE 4/4 I?

I'm debating buying one from Eurolokshop, but have only seen the prototype photos like in the HAG catalogue...
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Offline Unholz  
#20 Posted : 24 May 2009 09:46:49(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by 5HorizonsRR
<br />Hey Mike, have any idea if the new BM 4/4 diesel is full scale, or a rework of the old RE 4/4 I?


It consists of the entire underbody and trucks of the old Re 4/4 I and a new (plastic) Bm 4/4 II body.
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Offline chrisisrang  
#21 Posted : 24 May 2009 10:05:16(UTC)
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Hi! Mike,

Which Ae 6/6 HAG model has the red light between the front winwdows? Is it the newer models released in 2008? Appreiciate your response.

Warm regards,

Chris
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Offline Guus  
#22 Posted : 24 May 2009 10:20:11(UTC)
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Hi Chris,

The "Uri" 11402 for instance has an extra signal light (Fahrberechtigungssignal) between the front windows :

URL=http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img4115lx1.jpg]UserPostedImage[/URL]

HAG 11 021-32

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Offline chrisisrang  
#23 Posted : 24 May 2009 13:32:57(UTC)
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Hi! Guus,

Thanks for the very nice picture of HAG with the red signal between the front windows. Do you know which other HAG Ae 6/6 models have this red light? Any of the Ae 6/6 in red livery that feature this light?

Do all Ae 6/6 prototypes have this red light and what is the purpose of this light? Many thanks for your insights in advance.

Cheers,

Chris
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Offline Guus  
#24 Posted : 24 May 2009 14:11:08(UTC)
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quote:Originally posted by Chris:
<br />[size=2]Hi! Guus,

Thanks for the very nice picture of HAG with the red signal between the front windows. Do you know which other HAG Ae 6/6 models have this red light? Any of the Ae 6/6 in red livery that feature this light?

Do all Ae 6/6 prototypes have this red light and what is the purpose of this light? Many thanks for your insights in advance.

Cheers,

Chris


Hi Chris,

Several Ae 6/6 models were equipped with this signal. HAGs home page lists a couple of models with this light. You may find them at "Produkte Unverkauflich(Archiv)". HAG calls this light "Falschfahrlicht" which betrays its function.
Liberally translated it means as much as travelling in the wrong direction.
It's a thing from the past.
The (front) light was used to indicate that the loc was travelling in the non regular direction of the track. Signals normally work for one direction only, so if the loc was allowed to travel in the opposite direction it was indicated with this light.

Sorry in German only, but here:http://www.lokifahrer.ch/Signal...le_der_vergangenheit.htm , you'll find a wealth of information on Swiss railways.

Kind regards
Guus
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Offline Unholz  
#25 Posted : 24 May 2009 14:21:26(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by chrisisrang
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Do you know which other HAG Ae 6/6 models have this red light? Any of the Ae 6/6 in red livery that feature this light?


Allow me to advertise the HAG-UNUM database which answers your questions. wink All Ae 6/6 models with the old number 116 (AC, green), 117 (DC, green), 118 (AC, red) and 119 (DC, red) are equipped with the double upper lights.

Simply enter one of the mentioned numbers in the search field marked "HAG # [alte#/old#]", and you will receive a listing of produced models. Click on "Detail" on top if you desire additional information regarding the individual models.

Link to the HAG-UNUM database:

http://homepage.hispeed.ch/unholz/english.html
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Offline Guus  
#26 Posted : 24 May 2009 15:03:30(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Stefan:
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by chrisisrang
<br />
Do you know which other HAG Ae 6/6 models have this red light? Any of the Ae 6/6 in red livery that feature this light?


Allow me to advertise the HAG-UNUM database which answers your questions. wink All Ae 6/6 models with the old number 116 (AC, green), 117 (DC, green), 118 (AC, red) and 119 (DC, red) are equipped with the double upper lights.

Simply enter one of the mentioned numbers in the search field marked "HAG # [alte#/old#]", and you will receive a listing of produced models. Click on "Detail" on top if you desire additional information regarding the individual models.

Link to the HAG-UNUM database:

http://homepage.hispeed.ch/unholz/english.html



Hi Stefan,

In all fairness, I should mention that most, if not all, of my knowledge concerning Swiss trains and especially HAG stems from your homepage and the HAG forum .

Kind regards
Guus
Kind regards,
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