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Hello All, Here another Marklin fan from the Netherlands which would like to share with you the building of my new Marklin model railway. I decided to make the module frame of iron, welded together to have more space in between and a less voluminous construction. I also hope to learn form your idea's and hopefully get some from my website. It is alway nice to read reactions from other model railway fans, and get advises or nice ideas. My website is in Dutch, but the pictures will tell a lot of the story i think: http://sites.google.com/site/derangeerbaan/If you've any question, please let me know. Here some pictures: The module frame which exists of 2 parts, needed to get it upstairs.  A view of the topside:  The control table, in the small frame the Centrals Station 2 will get it's important place!!  Have a nice day, Best regards, Rutger |
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Well thats a first for me. It is hard to visualise a track plan in this structure but I presume you have something in mind.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by drstapes
<br />Well thats a first for me. It is hard to visualise a track plan in this structure but I presume you have something in mind.
regards
Hi, yes I have a test trackplan only for building up all the technical aspects of Digital management of the trains. You can see the railplan on: http://sites.google.com/...rbaan/Ontwerp-sporenplanIn the next period I will start first to determine the whole plan before I continue witht the next module frames. Regards, Rutger |
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 Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,875 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
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Don't forget, if you have to shift houses, What than.
If I remember correctly, there was this guy in Queensland (Australia) and he build a boat in the backyard and never thought of how he could transport it to a waterway.
Another one build his kitcar in the kitchen or livingroom and had to demolish a whole wall to get his car outside.
I'm not suggesting that your design is similar but if the occasion arises it would be a shame to demolish a hard earned and labour of love layout.
another point is considering to add adjustable legs to it.
If noticed the other day some guys installing a commercial sink and it came in 2 parts. part 1 the frame part 2 the sink bench. the amalgamation of the 2 items was a 2 sized tubing system, one fits into the other and was secured with a ringbolt.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by river6109
<br />Don't forget, if you have to shift houses, What than.
If I remember correctly, there was this guy in Queensland (Australia) and he build a boat in the backyard and never thought of how he could transport it to a waterway.
Another one build his kitcar in the kitchen or livingroom and had to demolish a whole wall to get his car outside.
I'm not suggesting that your design is similar but if the occasion arises it would be a shame to demolish a hard earned and labour of love layout.
another point is considering to add adjustable legs to it.
If noticed the other day some guys installing a commercial sink and it came in 2 parts. part 1 the frame part 2 the sink bench. the amalgamation of the 2 items was a 2 sized tubing system, one fits into the other and was secured with a ringbolt.
Hi, I understand what you mean, but that's the reason I made the module frame existing of 2 frame parts which can be dismantled. As a whole indeed the frame cannot go upstairs in the house. Adjustbale legs I've already foreseen, Ikea delivers them for less money. They will be mounted on the 4 places on the frame. Regards, Rutger |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by TRUKO
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I decided to make the module frame of iron, welded together to have more space in between and a less voluminous construction.
Wow nice. That is a cool idea! If you master the art of welding, then why not?  Great! Best regards Søren |
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Welcome to the forum, Rutger. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by steventrain<br />Welcome to the forum, Rutger. Hi Steven, Thanks!! Any suggestion/tips on my plan? Regards, Rutger |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by sjlauritsen<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by TRUKO
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I decided to make the module frame of iron, welded together to have more space in between and a less voluminous construction.
Wow nice. That is a cool idea! If you master the art of welding, then why not? Great! Best regards Søren Hello Søren, To surprise you: before this I did never weld anything....so just searched a lot on the internet, and 1 hour advise from a welding expert, and then: a lot of practising. One on my best weldings as hobbyist:  Regards, Rutger |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by TRUKO<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by river6109
<br />Don't forget, if you have to shift houses, What than.
If I remember correctly, there was this guy in Queensland (Australia) and he build a boat in the backyard and never thought of how he could transport it to a waterway.
Another one build his kitcar in the kitchen or livingroom and had to demolish a whole wall to get his car outside.
I'm not suggesting that your design is similar but if the occasion arises it would be a shame to demolish a hard earned and labour of love layout.
another point is considering to add adjustable legs to it.
If noticed the other day some guys installing a commercial sink and it came in 2 parts. part 1 the frame part 2 the sink bench. the amalgamation of the 2 items was a 2 sized tubing system, one fits into the other and was secured with a ringbolt.
Hi, I understand what you mean, but that's the reason I made the module frame existing of 2 frame parts which can be dismantled. As a whole indeed the frame cannot go upstairs in the house. Adjustbale legs I've already foreseen, Ikea delivers them for less money. They will be mounted on the 4 places on the frame. Regards, Rutger To show you how the two parts are mounted together:  Within the tubeprofile, an round tube keeps both centered and by removing bolts you can separate the 2 frame parts. Regards, Rutger |
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Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,875 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
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Rutger,
People don't realize how clever we are.
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It's a nice job on the handywork, but... If you need to change something on the frame later on, I fear that you will be almost unable to do that... |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by hxmiesa
<br />It's a nice job on the handywork, but... If you need to change something on the frame later on, I fear that you will be almost unable to do that...
Hi, yes, that's probably one of the points I have to face.... To prevent that, one of my next steps is to spent a lot of effort to develop a railplan I would like to have, and which is feasible. So I can design the next frame modules based on the railplan. For example i want to use rail spiral to overcome the different heights. But when it's all done and rails are layed down...it's hard to change the iron frame, I agree. Regards, Rutger |
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Hi all, a short update, the CS2 is arrived!! and quickly checked if it fits on the frame i made for it.  all the frame's are now painted with Hammerite, now waiting untill they're dry and harden. Regards, Rutger |
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Joined: 20/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 809 Location: Leopold, Victoria
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Your welding is looking great Rutger.
A hint is to clean up the welds if you are going to mount board, so it sits flat. Die grinders are great for this.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Legless
<br />Your welding is looking great Rutger.
A hint is to clean up the welds if you are going to mount board, so it sits flat. Die grinders are great for this.
Hi Legless, yes that's true, but in the small corners i can't come thre with the tooling...next time I will weld them only on the back side I think. Regards, Rutger |
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I cannot see you have a room if you use the USB mouse for CS2.  |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by steventrain<br />I cannot see you have a room if you use the USB mouse for CS2. Hi Steven....that's right..currently I have only planned to use a mouse for the PC, the the TFT screen and mouse come on the level lower. So maybe put also the mouse for the CS2 there.... Best regards, Rutger |
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Clean up around the welds (die grinder and wire wheel) and paint them with some primer before rust starts to set end around the welds. nice job, If I get a place to build the layout I want I think I will build it this way.
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Hi Marklin fans, So, I've made some progress with my frame. Everthing is painted now, the wiringcases (I'am not sure if this is the right term?) are mounted. And I started to buildup the circlewire (again, is this the right term?) So it means I'am in the end of the frame realization. I also updated my site, sorry for the Dutch language, but hopefully you'll enjoy the photo story. You can find the latest progress on: http://sites.google.com/...Realisatie-bouw-module-1The first cross connection is there:  Enjoy your day!! Best regards, Rutger |
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That's one well built frame!
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That is a well built frame. My skills stops at wood [:I] |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by river6109
<br />Don't forget, if you have to shift houses, What than.
If I remember correctly, there was this guy in Queensland (Australia) and he build a boat in the backyard and never thought of how he could transport it to a waterway.
Another one build his kitcar in the kitchen or livingroom and had to demolish a whole wall to get his car outside.
I'm not suggesting that your design is similar but if the occasion arises it would be a shame to demolish a hard earned and labour of love layout.
another point is considering to add adjustable legs to it.
If noticed the other day some guys installing a commercial sink and it came in 2 parts. part 1 the frame part 2 the sink bench. the amalgamation of the 2 items was a 2 sized tubing system, one fits into the other and was secured with a ringbolt.
Hello River, Good news: the first part of the big frame is already upstairs!! It was no problem to carry it on the stairs. So that works. The other part is not finished yet...and that's the heaviest and a little higher in it's dimensions...keep you posted.... Regards, Rutger |
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Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,875 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
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Rutger,
I'm pleased. make sure your steps are welded for the second part, (just joking)
keep us posted, great frames and neat. not bad for the first time.
I've bought a welder few years back but sold it as I thought I never would use it.
same here, never did any weldng in my life.
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Hello friends, Many of you where questioning of this was feasible to transport to the room where the train will be buildup...now...it was NO PROBLEM...!!! All fits well, easy to get it upstairs!! Now i can continue with the next phase, buildup the train itself.  So all my measurements and design works out well!! Best regards, Rutger |
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Hi Rail fans, Milestone passed!! the first moduel frame is ready and got it's place on the temporary trainroom. The BR64 has left and travelled it's first rounds!!  Regards, Rutger |
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Rutger, looks great! Solid and heavy-duty!
Very nice, now You can focus on the layout and landscape!
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I've forgotten how steep the stairs are on the Netherlands. |
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Hi all, Thanks for all your compliments!!! Best regards, Rutger |
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Little milestone there: the frame power 220V is now connected as planned and everything works ok. Aview in between both levels, I mounted a light there to make wirking under the table more easy.  Now you see where the tubes where for:  Tomorrow I continue with the woring table! Regards, Rutger |
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Hi Folks, Some progress is ongoing, the wiring is nearly finished: Here you see the cable coming from the frame going to the electronics panel:  The electronics panel with the circuit board I need for the Test railplan:  Here yousee the wiring operation. Now you're able to see wherefore I made the tubes in the frame...;-))  Enjoy, Regards, Rutger |
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Hi Rutger
It all looks very stable and well-thought-out.
Very tidy too.
Succes with the project.
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Rutger,
A job well done.
Congratulations.
I don't fully understand your technic with your wiring profile.
Hypothetically, you'll take the frame apart, how do you seperate the wires from your layout board and wiring board (second frame)?
Another thing: 220 V ?
Why do you need 220 V in your frame ? when: as I can see your CS is mounted away from the main frame and I presume your transformer would be mounted likewise.
You also mentioned this is one of the frames. How many more have you envisaged ?
I could only see one track plan on your website.
regards.,
John
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Very good.
What makes is the decoders? |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by river6109
<br />Rutger,
A job well done.
Congratulations.
I don't fully understand your technic with your wiring profile.
Hypothetically, you'll take the frame apart, how do you seperate the wires from your layout board and wiring board (second frame)?
Another thing: 220 V ?
Why do you need 220 V in your frame ? when: as I can see your CS is mounted away from the main frame and I presume your transformer would be mounted likewise.
You also mentioned this is one of the frames. How many more have you envisaged ?
I could only see one track plan on your website.
regards.,
John
Hi John, Separate the wires from the layout board and the wiring board: look at the photo, by giving enough lenth of the cable, it works well:  About the 220V power, I've made some photo's which hopefully explain: This photo is from the backside of the steering panel. The power is for the CS2, powersupply for the Lights, PC etc.  Here you can see that the 220V powercable comes out of the tube, so I avoid cables all around on the floor.  Hopefully this is an answer on your questions? Kind regards, Rutger |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain
<br />Very good.
What makes is the decoders?
Hi Steven, The decoders are deliverd by a colleague trainmodeller on the Dutch 3rail forum. He get's them from somebody in Germany. I do not know any name or adress, but there really cheap!!and functioning very well. Regards, Rutger |
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This is looking good, well done Rutger. |
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Hi Friends, I make my website more easy to read, I put the possibility for Google Translate on the website. So copy the website URL to http://translate.google.com/translate_t#and a machine translation of the website becomes available in your language. Have fun!! Regards, Rutger |
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Great job, Rutger. The frame is earthquake safe and still looking "light". Will be following your progress with great interest. Perhaps you could export your idea to countries known for earthquakes. |
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Hi All, I moved my website to an own domain: http://www.derangeerbaan.com/homeSo all updated can be seen in this site, the old one will dissappear in januari. Remember it is possible to copy the URL in Google trnaslate and you're able to read the site in your own language. Enjoy, Best regards, Rutger |
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Nice site Rutger, thanks! |
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<br />Nice site Rutger, thanks!
Hi Richard, Thanks!! Regards, Rutger |
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Hi Railroad friends, Last few days I've made my second welded frame. It's the idea to connect it temporarily to the already existing one, so that I'am able to run a bigger layout.  More pictures you can find on: http://www.derangeerbaan...bouw/bouw-frame-module-3Remember to copy & paste the URL in Google Transpate to read it in your own language. Regards, Rutger |
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Hi Friends, Progress is made, my 2nd module frame is ready including electronics. Next step is to mount the rail spiral to enable the trains driving from top to down level. The picture underneed shows the the frame upside down  In this picture the module frame is standing on it's legs and shows how the rail spiral is placed.  Next week I've to mount the Rail spiral on it's place. More pictures can be found on: http://www.derangeerbaan.com/Regards, Rutger |
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TRUKO wrote:Hi Steven,
The decoders are deliverd by a colleague trainmodeller on the Dutch 3rail forum. He get's them from somebody in Germany. I do not know any name or adress, but there really cheap!!and functioning very well.
Regards,
Rutger Rutger, Nice progress, very clean. Would it be possible to contact your friend about information on the K83, K84, and S88 decoders. Name, website, something? Regards, Thomas |
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Excellent process.  |
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GSRR wrote:Rutger,
Nice progress, very clean. Would it be possible to contact your friend about information on the K83, K84, and S88 decoders. Name, website, something?
Regards,
Thomas
Thomas, I think that I have purchased the same. I got a Board to digitise Marklin analogue Signals. They make all of the above also. Look at this Ebay item and go to the store. You will see all there. 350164404734 I will PM with Email address. Very reasonably priced. Also see the Viessman equivalents half the price of M . NN |
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GSRR wrote:Rutger,
Nice progress, very clean. Would it be possible to contact your friend about information on the K83, K84, and S88 decoders. Name, website, something?
Regards,
Thomas
Hi Thomas, Thanks for your reply! What i can do is ask my friend when he is running the next purchase cycle if he also is willing to sell towards the States, I'am not sure yet about that. For the moment he has done recently a purchase cycle for the Marklin 3Rail forum in the Netherlands and Belgium. He is doing it just as a "railroad friends gesture" so he's not commercial or so. (no website) Tell me if your still interested. Regards, Rutger |
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