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Offline kiwiAlan  
#1 Posted : 04 March 2026 14:22:07(UTC)
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Brochure is here.

Video is here.
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Offline bph  
#2 Posted : 04 March 2026 15:20:57(UTC)
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Cool

Seems like another BLIMä model? (made in cooperation with Broadway Limited Imports)
ref: https://broadway-limited.com/products/7903-southern-pacific-2-8-4-berkshire-t1a-3509-4-axle-tender-paragon4-sound-dc-dcc-smoke-ho
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Offline 5HorizonsRR  
#3 Posted : 04 March 2026 17:14:29(UTC)
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Wow- this one is a surprise!

For the fans who are interested, I saw the Broadway Limited sample/example in January at a train show it it looks GREAT! Brass hybrid as well, and impressive looking. It will impress on layout or in the display case!

As a marketer I could not think of a more niche or unusual locomotive for Marklin to choose as a surprise US steam offering? Looking at the Broadway Limited pipeline (or their recent production runs) there are certainly a lot of other steam locomotives with mass appeal I'd have chosen instead - the Nickel Plate Road Berkshire #765 which is still in operation as an example.







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Offline kiwiAlan  
#4 Posted : 04 March 2026 17:20:17(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 5HorizonsRR Go to Quoted Post
Wow- this one is a surprise!

For the fans who are interested, I saw the Broadway Limited sample/example in January at a train show it it looks GREAT! Brass hybrid as well, and impressive looking. It will impress on layout or in the display case!

As a marketer I could not think of a more niche or unusual locomotive for Marklin to choose as a surprise US steam offering? Looking at the Broadway Limited pipeline (or their recent production runs) there are certainly a lot of other steam locomotives with mass appeal I'd have chosen instead - the Nickel Plate Road Berkshire #765 which is still in operation as an example.


I suspect they have gone for the Southern as they already have a number of locos from this railroad in their range, so will already have the required licensing with the railroad in place, although IIRC they have also done a number of Nickel Plate Road locos in Z, so would also have licensing in place there.

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Online jonas_sthlm  
#5 Posted : 04 March 2026 19:46:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post
Cool

Seems like another BLIMä model?


Could it be that I feel the construction looks more like M in the exploded view?


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Offline DasBert33  
#6 Posted : 04 March 2026 19:47:25(UTC)
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Is there really licensing to be paid for a railroad that doesnt exist anymore and a prototype to the model from 80 years ago?

I was not really counting on another US surprise model after the Shay from last year, so a lot of budget is already spent. Probably it will come relatively fast so there is not a lot of time to start saving?

Only one thing slightly bothering me: the marker lights in the video are not lit and there is no mention in the text that they are functional. It would a pity if they cannot be switched on. Does anyone know more?

edit: the BLI model description mentions the marker lights, so there is hope...
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Offline 5HorizonsRR  
#7 Posted : 04 March 2026 22:11:11(UTC)
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Southern and Southern Pacific are two different railways.

In today's terms (both are dead RRs) they would be Norfolk Southern and Union Pacific's licensing departments accordingly. UP is notorious for monetizing their portfolio of logos, the others I believe have been historically easier/cheaper about it.
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Offline mrmarklin  
#8 Posted : 04 March 2026 22:18:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DasBert33 Go to Quoted Post
Is there really licensing to be paid for a railroad that doesnt exist anymore and a prototype to the model from 80 years ago?

I was not really counting on another US surprise model after the Shay from last year, so a lot of budget is already spent. Probably it will come relatively fast so there is not a lot of time to start saving?

Only one thing slightly bothering me: the marker lights in the video are not lit and there is no mention in the text that they are functional. It would a pity if they cannot be switched on. Does anyone know more?

edit: the BLI model description mentions the marker lights, so there is hope...


I have not any American Loks except the Big Boy and the Shay. But since the Southern Pacific basically owned California for most of its life, I may have a look at this Lok. There are still very large Ex-SP railyards very near my house that service the Oakland CA container port. This is the tenth largest container port in the US.

Yes, licensing would have to be paid. The SP has been taken over by the Union Pacific RR and they must hold the trademark rights.

The model is a monster 31.3cm!

I may pull the trigger on this.Blink
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Offline GlennM  
#9 Posted : 05 March 2026 05:56:09(UTC)
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Thankfully I do not collect US outline and so this will give my wallet a break BigGrin BigGrin
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Offline marklinist5999  
#10 Posted : 05 March 2026 13:42:27(UTC)
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This isn't to my liking, as the boiler nose is recessed. It looks odd to me. I don't really have but a few US Lok's, and no Marklin ones. An old Mehano GG1, a Penn Line Pennsy H-9, and a Spectrum F-40 PH.
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Offline DasBert33  
#11 Posted : 05 March 2026 18:50:46(UTC)
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I'm very interested in this one, but some I would like to clear up some things before ordering:

1. Are the marker lights lit? The manual also does not mention them at all. But the BLI ones are lit so it would be really strange not to implement that feature. I would even like multicolor marker lights like the Piko KM4000 series have. (but for sure those are not available)

2. What clearance does it need? The manual specifies R2 minimum as expected. My layout has R3 as a minimum on the mainline, but I do have (old type) catenary and signals on a part of the layout. Bigboy, Challenger and FEF class 800 pass these with about 1mm clearance on the closest spot (actually Challenger is the closest). What does this loco need, it being so assymmetrical I am afraid the ass of the loco will stick out too much in curves. It would be good if Marklin would publish clearance requirement values for common curves such as Crail R2, R3, R4 and R5, both for the inside and the outside.
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Offline jerdenberg  
#12 Posted : 05 March 2026 19:19:33(UTC)
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All the more need for a switcher now …

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Offline bph  
#13 Posted : 06 March 2026 10:57:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post
Cool

Seems like another BLIMä model?


Could it be that I feel the construction looks more like M in the exploded view?

yes, the construction seems to be basically the same, if you compare the exploded views. Possibly a BLI model that Marklin has licensed?
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Offline DasBert33  
#14 Posted : 06 March 2026 20:51:25(UTC)
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Based on the photos released by Marklin and after counting the number of railties under the loco firebox between the last driving wheel and the end of the cab, I have come to the conclusion that the loco rear is even slightly shorter than the UP class 800 (37984), and thus should fit on my layout between the catenary poles like the class 800 already does. After all, the total length of the class 800 is listed as 41 cm, while this loco is 'only' 31.3cm. So I think I can order without reservation.

And yes, we do need a switcher, but for now my Piko Whithcomb 65t does the switching job nicely, and also has a metal shell.
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Offline 5HorizonsRR  
#15 Posted : 06 March 2026 22:50:03(UTC)
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The broadway limited website says minimum 18" (457mm, slightly more than marklin R2) radius.

That is assuming the Marklin version has no modifications to turn tighter. It very well may be different though due to Marklin's tighter axle gap spec, RP25 vs NEM wheel specs etc....

Marklin R2 I'm sure is ok based on that and the manual. But boiler clearance is a good question...
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#16 Posted : 06 March 2026 23:40:13(UTC)
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Forum member BrandonVA kindly pointed this out to me.

https://www.ogrforum.com...cific-berkshire---photos
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Offline 610  
#17 Posted : 07 March 2026 12:33:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DasBert33 Go to Quoted Post

1. Are the marker lights lit? But the BLI ones are lit so it would be really strange not to implement that feature.
2. What clearance does it need? The manual specifies R2 minimum as expected.

1. The marker lights are not lit on the Märklin model as well as on the SP version of the BLI model. Only the SF and B&M versions of the BLI model have lit marker lights, but only the SP one does not. I asked several owners of the BLI SP version model and all told me that the marker lights don´t work, and to make it worse, even the numberboard light doesn´t work on the BLI SP version. Somebody told me that the reason why the B&M and SF version marker lights work and the SP version marker lights not, is because the marker lights of the B&M and SF versions are positioned higher up on the Coffin feedwater heater, while on the SP version, the marker lights are positioned lower on the sides, which makes it harder to reach for wiring the cables to it. On the B&M and SF versions, the wiring is easier because the marker lights can be reached from inside the smokebox, while on the SP version, the marker lights are so exposed on the lower sides of the Coffin feedwater heater, that it would be impossible to install working lights inside them without externally visible cables reaching to them. So that´s why the marker lights on the SP version don´t work. BUT: Interestingly the numberboards of the SP version are in the exact same position like the marker lights of the B&M and SF versions, so it´s very weird why BLI didn´t at least manage to light the numberboards on the SP version when they couldn´t already light the marker lights. It would have been a nice compensation. But sadly the SP version of the BLI model doesn´t neither have lit marker lights nor lit numberboards. But in contrast to BLI, the Märklin model not only has lit numberboards but also firebox flickering, which are two things the BLI model doesn´t have. So the Märklin model is definetly an upgrade from the BLI models because it offers to lighting-features more. And at least the firebox flickering and lit numberboards are nice compensation for the not working marker lights.
2. An user in another forum saw the very first model at the Märklin museum operating through R1 curves without any problems, so it looks like the models can even (unofficially) handle R1 curves. So you can be sure that it will definetly be able to handle R2 curves very well, as it is officially stated.

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Offline Goofy  
#18 Posted : 08 March 2026 13:29:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post
Cool

Seems like another BLIMä model? (made in cooperation with Broadway Limited Imports)
ref: https://broadway-limited.com/products/7903-southern-pacific-2-8-4-berkshire-t1a-3509-4-axle-tender-paragon4-sound-dc-dcc-smoke-ho


LOL LOL LOL
No it is not BLI cooperation with Märklin /Trix.
Märklin present new work toy for both Märklin tracks and two rail with Trix.
Where is the evidence that BLI cooperation with Märklin?
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Offline bgemski  
#19 Posted : 08 March 2026 15:32:30(UTC)
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Did anyone see the Marklin 37983 2-8-4 Berkshire surprise locomotive for 2026? Looks like Marklin and Broadway Limited Imports are teaming up again? It looks really nice I put in for a reservation along with the freight car set and the caboose. I'm curious as to anyone else's thoughts.
https://www.marklin.com/...ts/details/article/37983

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Offline Alsterstreek  
#20 Posted : 08 March 2026 15:39:00(UTC)
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Yes, there is already a parallel thread: https://www.marklin-user...oco-announced#post691000
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Offline Goofy  
#21 Posted : 08 March 2026 22:53:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bgemski Go to Quoted Post
Did anyone see the Marklin 37983 2-8-4 Berkshire surprise locomotive for 2026? Looks like Marklin and Broadway Limited Imports are teaming up again? It looks really nice I put in for a reservation along with the freight car set and the caboose. I'm curious as to anyone else's thoughts.
https://www.marklin.com/...ts/details/article/37983



There is no team work.
There is no information in Märklin homepage about US model as cooperation with BLI.

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Offline bgemski  
#22 Posted : 09 March 2026 02:56:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: bgemski Go to Quoted Post
Did anyone see the Marklin 37983 2-8-4 Berkshire surprise locomotive for 2026? Looks like Marklin and Broadway Limited Imports are teaming up again? It looks really nice I put in for a reservation along with the freight car set and the caboose. I'm curious as to anyone else's thoughts.
https://www.marklin.com/...ts/details/article/37983



There is no team work.
There is no information in Märklin homepage about US model as cooperation with BLI.


Ah ok I really wasn't sure. I came to the assumption because on the BLI website is a few Berkshire locomotives. I thought I saw one that was really close to the M version.
Online jonas_sthlm  
#23 Posted : 09 March 2026 07:44:31(UTC)
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It’s the same, except Märklin changed the details of the wheels and coupling rods.


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