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Offline bgemski  
#1 Posted : 25 January 2026 05:01:12(UTC)
bgemski

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Good evening, all!

I just recently picked up a Marklin 3701, BR 53 steam locomotive. She runs excellent and has smoke installed that works excellent. It is a shame that it doesn't have a sound decoder. There lies my question, which decoder with sound should I look into? Preferably I would like to stay with Marklin as I have not tried ESU decoders before. I have installed Marklin ones in the past. The installs I have done have been on the American F7 locomotives. This will be the first steam engine install attempt. I am reasonably sure the 3701 has the DCM motor. However, I could very well be wrong about that.
In short, I would greatly appreciate some advice and or suggestions. I really want to add sound to this particular locomotive. I love the way she runs. I did a deep clean up and loosened up some stiff, old, oil but other than that she is solid and a great runner.

Thank you everyone.
Sincerely

Brian


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Offline Goofy  
#2 Posted : 25 January 2026 15:02:10(UTC)
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What digital system do you use today?
If you decides to put ESU sound decoder you can have ESU lokprogrammer to adjust CV addresses with values by write down.
You can also download sound files from ESU homepage.
H0
DCC = Digital Command Control
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Offline bgemski  
#3 Posted : 25 January 2026 15:28:23(UTC)
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Good morning Goofy! Sorry I should have posted that information. I have a CS3 + running my layout. I have not had the need to change CV addresses.
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#4 Posted : 25 January 2026 15:41:47(UTC)
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Hi Brian
If you are mostly with Märklin (Locos, etc) I strongly advise you to stay with Märklin decoders mSD3) because my use of an ESU LokSound 5 decoder is a real catastrophe. No user friendlyness in adjusting the parameters. This goes along with the Central Station decision (a CS3 with a mSD3 is fantastic and a disaster with an ESU decoder (you are left alone to fight with approx 600 CVs

Fitting your 3701 with a sounddecoder
- the loco must work fine and be quiet (otherwise you will have to have real loud sounds which is annoying when having many locos
- you may install a generic Steam sound decoder 60975
- you may program any sound specific to your loco using either a CS3 or a Lokprogrammer 60971 plugged on a PC. Sounds and tools available for free at Märklin's webpage

Cheers
Jean
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Offline marklinist5999  
#5 Posted : 25 January 2026 15:45:02(UTC)
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Brian, if it has a 21 pin decoder pcb board, you can just install an msd3 sound decoder pre loaded with steam sounds. If not, you have to either wire in a new decoder or 21 pin board to accept one. I don't think the harness wired decoders have sound files installed.
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Offline EB421  
#6 Posted : 25 January 2026 16:58:49(UTC)
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The MSD3 is the correct part, the only question for me is if you have an AC 3-pole DCM or a modern 5-pole HE-DCM. According to the Dutch Database: https://wiki.3rail.nl/in...?title=M%C3%A4rklin_3701

You're all good! Slap an MSD3 in there on the included carrier board (which makes any other sound decoder a drop-in fit later, it's such a well designed product) and program it on a CS3. :D Completely agree with JohnJean.

I would strongly advise anyone upgrading an old Marklin loco like this (or like my British Rail Class 22) to get either an MSD3 or an MLD3 first even if it's not the decoder you want to use long term; because of the benefits of the 21MTC carrier board. For me I don't plan to replace the MLD3 because it's an electric loco so sound is less important to me than say a diesel or steam loco, and I'm entirely happy with the performance of my Class 66, Class A3 and Start-Up Cranes. But if I want to down the line, I can put a higher-end decoder in to unlock features like Railcom.

Though, it MAY be worth waiting for the MSD3.5. I got nervous that they'd stop adding the carrier boards which was a bit scaredy-cat of me, since I'm sure they'll still be included - and to be fair half my loco's are already missing Railcom, so what's one more? I can always re-use the decoder in something that's not front-or-tail-of-train if I decide I need Railcom in the Class 22 and put a LokPilot in. But for you, given the much bigger sound storage space? I would encourage you to wait.
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Offline bgemski  
#7 Posted : 25 January 2026 17:02:35(UTC)
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Good Morning Jean

I was really leaning towards the Marklin decoders. You really confirmed what I was thinking all along to be honest. I have installed some in the past and I can honestly say I do not mess with CV addresses. Never had the real urge or need to for the exception of 1 rare case and that was on a MTH locomotive. All that being said yes, my overall collection is Marklin, and it makes sense to stick with that protocol.
Thank you for the heads up.

Good Morning marklinist5999

Thank you for the heads up. I believe it the locomotive has the 21 pin pc board BUT I will need to confirm before making the order.

Thank you guys! This really helps me out, since I was a little confused and need some guidance!
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Offline EB421  
#8 Posted : 25 January 2026 17:24:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bgemski Go to Quoted Post

Thank you for the heads up. I believe it the locomotive has the 21 pin pc board BUT I will need to confirm before making the order.


According to the DD, no - you have a C90 Decoder as factory fitted; which is not 21MTC. But if you buy the 60975 decoder Jean suggests, you will have a 21MTC socket for the future. Pre-installed sound is irrelevant when you have a CS3 as you can upload any Marklin sound profile yourself. :)

However there is a problem - Marklin doesn't make one for the BR 53, and ESU does.

ESU 51957 and 58449, plus programmer 53451 (unless you have a shop or friend who can upload the file for you). The 51957 is a direct replacement for the special Marklin adapter board that comes with the MSD3, and the 58449 is a Marklin-type 21MTC Sound Decoder which supports MFX for your CS3.

If you have to buy a LokProgrammer it will be much more expensive; but you get accurate sound - or with the Marklin decoder you get "An Steam Loco" sound for now* but it will not be a BR53. If you do go Marklin, I now STRONGLY encourage you to wait for the 3.5, as I have no way of knowing if they will make future sound files for the older, smaller decoders.

The * is that Marklin may release a new model of the BR 53 in the future, and they release sound files for people to install if they have a decoder failure down the line (except for models with copyright issues, like the Flying Scotsman). If they release a sound file compatible with your decoder, you can install that later from your CS3.
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Offline bgemski  
#9 Posted : 25 January 2026 18:05:20(UTC)
bgemski

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Good afternoon EB421,

Awesome information and I truly appreciate the heads up. Looks Like I think about which direction to go. Now, with that new information, about the new, maybe, future BR 53 I am thinking of having some patience and see what happens.

Thank you all I appreciate the suggestions and information!
Offline EB421  
#10 Posted : 25 January 2026 18:34:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bgemski Go to Quoted Post
Now, with that new information, about the new, maybe, future BR 53 I am thinking of having some patience


That's not information! :D

That's "at some point, one day, they may make another one, or they may not, who knows, but if they do:". I have no insider knowledge about that! Please do not misunderstand! Flapper
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Offline bph  
#11 Posted : 25 January 2026 18:48:31(UTC)
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Hi

Note that the space available for a speaker in the tender is quite limited, so don't expect too much from the sound.

I agree with JohnjeanB Offline , when you have a CS3, the best option is to use an mSD3, eg 60975.
However, as EB421 Offline mentioned, Marklin does not have a dedicated complete BR53 sound project, but they have made a BR 53 sound file available for custom projects. But then the BR 53 was never completed, so no one really knows how it would have sounded. For the rest of the sounds, eg. the br 52 sounds will probably be fine.
Another option is to just modify the decoder project for the 39961.
Also note that new Marklin decoders struggle to power two 7226 on the same aux output.
If you don't need RailCom or the extra space for more sound files, I don't see any major reasons for waiting for the new mSD3.5. It's not released yet, but since it's named 3.5 and not 4.0 it's reasonable to assume that it can use existing decoder projects and that new projects will be backwards compatible with mSD3.
As for future new BR 53 models, I might come next year or in 10 years or never......






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Offline bgemski  
#12 Posted : 25 January 2026 19:55:34(UTC)
bgemski

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EB421
LOL yeah Marklin has a way of not coming out with certain locomotives. Thank you for the heads up greatly appreciated.

bph
Good afternoon! To be honest I'm leaning towards the 60975 with the generic steam sounds. In research I noticed that there were none produced so yes no one will be able to replicate what the exact sound would be like. In the end I just want something. After a deep clean and maintenance done she is a quiet and strong runner. As mentioned, I hate overbearing sounds of some locomotives in the collection I have. I need to sit down and do some adjustments in the lineup.

Thank you all as always, the information on this forum and its members is priceless and very much appreciated!!
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Offline EB421  
#13 Posted : 25 January 2026 20:02:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post

It's not released yet, but since it's named 3.5 and not 4.0 it's reasonable to assume that it can use existing decoder projects and that new projects will be backwards compatible with mSD3.


I don't want to derail the thread, but I think this one has to be a "wait and see". The main difference between the two decoders is the extra audio storage space, 256MB bs 64MB. An MSD3.5 project that takes advantage of the better decoder will literally not fit in an MSD3; so it would have to be downsampled or have samples removed; specifically to fit the lower capacity; which is work, which is cost, and no-one can say if Marklin will do this forever, not even Marklin. Confused

MSD3 sound on a 3.5 chip? Almost certainly. MSD3.5 on a 3.0 chip? We can only learn as each file is made available. :)
Offline kiwiAlan  
#14 Posted : 25 January 2026 21:33:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bgemski Go to Quoted Post
EB421
LOL yeah Marklin has a way of not coming out with certain locomotives. Thank you for the heads up greatly appreciated.

bph
Good afternoon! To be honest I'm leaning towards the 60975 with the generic steam sounds. In research I noticed that there were none produced so yes no one will be able to replicate what the exact sound would be like. In the end I just want something. After a deep clean and maintenance done she is a quiet and strong runner. As mentioned, I hate overbearing sounds of some locomotives in the collection I have. I need to sit down and do some adjustments in the lineup.

Thank you all as always, the information on this forum and its members is priceless and very much appreciated!!


I would be very tempted to start with the sound file for the Gt4x4 as it is a mallet loco like the Br53. The chuff rate will probably not be too different to what a Br53 would have at low speeds. I would start with the project for the 39960

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Offline bph  
#15 Posted : 25 January 2026 22:43:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: EB421 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post

It's not released yet, but since it's named 3.5 and not 4.0 it's reasonable to assume that it can use existing decoder projects and that new projects will be backwards compatible with mSD3.


I don't want to derail the thread, but I think this one has to be a "wait and see". The main difference between the two decoders is the extra audio storage space, 256MB bs 64MB. An MSD3.5 project that takes advantage of the better decoder will literally not fit in an MSD3; so it would have to be downsampled or have samples removed; specifically to fit the lower capacity; which is work, which is cost, and no-one can say if Marklin will do this forever, not even Marklin. Confused

MSD3 sound on a 3.5 chip? Almost certainly. MSD3.5 on a 3.0 chip? We can only learn as each file is made available. :)

Hi
As you say, we need to wait and see. But note that there are also some early mSD3/mfx+ decoders with only 32 MBit sound memory and upgradable v3x firmware, and there are no restrictions on what projects you can use on those 32 MBit decoders, as long as you make sure that you stay within the size limit. Note that there is no protection that stops you from sending projects that are too big to those decoders. So, since the new 3.5 decoders use firmware versions that start with 3.5 and the firmware is available through the mdecodertool, I suspect that the new decoder is backwards compatible with current mSD3 decoders, and new projects can be used on current decoders as long as you stay within the 64 MBit limit. However, it's just my speculation......
Offline bgemski  
#16 Posted : 26 January 2026 00:34:11(UTC)
bgemski

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Good evening kiwiAlan,

You just made a really good point. As I was clearing snow today, I happened to remember that this locomotive is in fact a Mallet design. As mentioned before this locomotive was never completed so there is no sound examples available. However, we can certainly come close- ish. Now I will do some research as to which decoder. Oh and thank you, now the 39960 locomotive is on my to buy list. That is one really pretty locomotive!

Offline kiwiAlan  
#17 Posted : 26 January 2026 00:42:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bgemski Go to Quoted Post
Good evening kiwiAlan,

You just made a really good point. As I was clearing snow today, I happened to remember that this locomotive is in fact a Mallet design. As mentioned before this locomotive was never completed so there is no sound examples available. However, we can certainly come close- ish. Now I will do some research as to which decoder. Oh and thank you, now the 39960 locomotive is on my to buy list. That is one really pretty locomotive!



It is an updated version of the 3796x series (some of which were also available as 3496x) which didn't have sound or other digital features. There are also the earlier again 3496/3796 and 3498/3798 which started the series off back in the 1990s.

Just be careful, these locos become addictive ....

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Offline bgemski  
#18 Posted : 26 January 2026 03:17:07(UTC)
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kiwiAlan
LOL oh I know how addictive these locomotives can be! This past year I was able to finally gather all the American Mikado that Marklin makes. I certainly don't mind but boy the bank account doesn't like it.
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