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Davy
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26 January 2009 20:42:46(UTC)
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And you think Marklin will lay awake of this kind of comment.
Marklin is trying to get a new public and new customers.
The dyhard customers are dying of old age.
And modeltrains are nothing more then expensive toys for grown ups.
And they are always inperfect. And Marklin make changes if they make mistakes. They have done this in 2008 often enough. The models you see in the neuheiten flyer are nothing more then showmodels.
Do any of you have any idea of the cost. If you have to make a new mould or change it. I don't think so. That is the reason other firms use plastic. That is a lot cheaper.
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<br />And you think Marklin will lay awake of this kind of comment.
Indeed, maybe not, but just to quote Mike, "Märklin won't get any my money" on those treadmill models. They will on any retooled model they'd care to issue though.
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<br />Lokshop had just released the prices for Marklin 2009 Starter sets if anyone interested. No prices yet for other 2009 items though.
Full list with all price after 9/2/2009 - Lokshop bosses.
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Hi, Armando!
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<br />What has been your recent experiences with the BR-53? All reviews that I have read so far indicate that the locomotive seems to be under-motorized for its weight.
When the wheels slip then the loco is not under-motorized.
The new one has four powered axles. So once again M* wastes a lot of potential tractive weight.
I haven't tried mine with heavy trains on steep grades so I don't know if it's a good or bad puller. But I can imagine that a BR 44 or 50 will be a better puller.
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26 January 2009 21:57:48(UTC)
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Hi Lutz,
I see the two diesel shunters, What is the cat ref number is it?
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<br />Hi, Armando!
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<br />What has been your recent experiences with the BR-53? All reviews that I have read so far indicate that the locomotive seems to be under-motorized for its weight.
When the wheels slip then the loco is not under-motorized.
The new one has four powered axles. So once again M* wastes a lot of potential tractive weight.
I haven't tried mine with heavy trains on steep grades so I don't know if it's a good or bad puller. But I can imagine that a BR 44 or 50 will be a better puller.
Hi Tom,
It seems that it always had four powered axles, since the 3102 times.
(http://www.bigio.net/Dampf/3102.2/3102.2_106.htm.) But will the motor output have changed? Nothing in the 2009 brochure indicates that such an improvement has been made to the model, hence my concern.
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Originally posted by Davy
<br />And you think Marklin will lay awake of this kind of comment.
Marklin is trying to get a new public and new customers.
The dyhard customers are dying of old age.
And modeltrains are nothing more then expensive toys for grown ups.
And they are always inperfect. And Marklin make changes if they make mistakes. They have done this in 2008 often enough. The models you see in the neuheiten flyer are nothing more then showmodels.
Do any of you have any idea of the cost. If you have to make a new mould or change it. I don't think so. That is the reason other firms use plastic. That is a lot cheaper.
I agree, but in that case surely they should be making more of the Hobby range in order to capture new modellers?
In terms of tooling cost vs profit I would say a few cheaper locos will be far better for Marklin than one or two big money models, and they could do with the cash...
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<br />Hi Lutz,
I see the two diesel shunters, What is the cat ref number is it?
I guess that you are referring to the two identical shunter loks in the photo with the Makies Hopper Cars. They come from Set #28542, which included the shunter and three of the Makies cars. A separate set with two additional cars, one of which had the same car # as one in the set was available a few years later.
I saw a cute photo of this little shunter in the middle of a Hopper train that was being pulled (and pushed) by Makies AG's ex-SOB BDe 4/4s. A very interesting use for triebwagen.
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<br />And you think Marklin will lay awake of this kind of comment.
I don't think it is a problem of insomnia, because they seem to be asleep, but they had better wake up soon!
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The diehard customers are dying of old age.
And modeltrains are nothing more then expensive toys for grown ups.
Precisely why a company would not want to lose any more of their loyal customers than they have to. I am not dying of old age (yet!).
If they really wanted to get new customers, they should partner with a software company and come up with a train driving game (for kids ie not MS TrainSim) that could help build the fascination of trains with the next generations. They might also decide to get into other markets, ie mp3 player shaped like trains, etc. (= brand awareness)
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Do any of you have any idea of the cost. If you have to make a new mould or change it. I don't think so. That is the reason other firms use plastic. That is a lot cheaper.
I understand that the models presented are "handmuster" or show models. The Re 4/4II is probably already a real model. The Re 6/6 is still in design. I have contacted them with my concerns. Hopefully they will take the time and correct the flaws.
As far as the cost. They have the correct form from the 34344/29859 models (Re 4/4II). Even if they wanted to do a single production run of models, it should not cost very much to stop the production for a minute to swap moulds when switching from the 29842 to the 37356.
The only reason not to change it would be due to being too lazy to retrieve the correct form. If the form was damaged, they could use the one from the 34345 and add the swiss crest on the front (a minor change) since they are not likely to reissue that model.
I am not asking for 100% accuracy. I don't expect each engineer figure to have different hair and eye colour. I am not going to make a big deal about whether a lok says Depot "Zuerich" when that number was actually based in "Bern", or even raised vs printed lettering. But an issue like a handrail, incorrect pantos or the like, especially when they have previously manufactured a correct version is almost over the top for me.
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27 January 2009 00:36:22(UTC)
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<br />But will the motor output have changed?
Probably not. The motor is not the problem, but more powered axles would help.
As you say: nothing new about this model (with respect to tractive power).
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27 January 2009 10:25:40(UTC)
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Yes, the problem with the Br53 is that the front drivers are not powered. In fact, I have heard that if they are not properly lubricated, they sometimes get stuck and slide along without rotating, which causes even more pulling problems!
Having said that, I would love to have one of these beasts. I nearly got a 3102 second hand once but turned it down because the top was all stained from the smoke generators. Perhaps one day....
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27 January 2009 10:41:02(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Yes, the problem with the Br53 is that the front drivers are not powered. In fact, I have heard that if they are not properly lubricated, they sometimes get stuck and slide along without rotating, which causes even more pulling problems!
Yes that has happened with mine, but it is easily fixed.
All the people I've spoken to who either have or have had one, have not had any major issues with traction.
I could see how there could be problems on such a long chassis when abrupt changes in slope are encountered.
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27 January 2009 10:47:23(UTC)
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Thanks Davy,
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I appreciate this input, makes us more aware of the reality of things.
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<br />Do any of you have any idea of the cost. If you have to make a new mould or change it. I don't think so. That is the reason other firms use plastic. That is a lot cheaper.
Which is all the more reason why you would think they would get it right first time!
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27 January 2009 11:32:26(UTC)
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Replying to Armando re: the BR53, I have the Photo Grey MFX one that was the last issue a few years ago. No problems with traction, but then my layout was all flat. There was some issue with not all the wheels making contact with the track , which needed a bit of adjustment but is OK now. The odd thing about it was the sound chip, which sounded more like a diesel than a steam loco, no chuff chuff, but maybe that was the condenser effect?
I find it amusing that many of us own or are interested in a BR 53 which was never built, and with a condenser tender which was never even proposed for use with a 53........then we complain about special issue Crocs in NYC white livery! No different to the Marklin plain metal releases in my opinion, when I first started out with Marklin I owned a silver Ae8/14, because I didn't know it was wrong..nice looking model though, but I have a Green Dgital version now.
At the end of the day, theese are only toy trains....runs for cover..(joking by the way!).
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<br />The odd thing about it was the sound chip, which sounded more like a diesel than a steam loco, no chuff chuff, but maybe that was the condenser effect?
It's not a bug, it's a feature.
Normal locos use the chuff-chuff to stir up the fire.
With condensing tender, no chuff-chuff can be heard because the steam is not exhausted.
You only hear the air pump that is needed to stir up the fire instead of the chuff-chuff.
I once heard a steamer with condensing tender in a TV report from South Africa.
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Modelling trains that never existed is not wrong, it's called freelance modelling.
If you want to imagine that the second world war went differently and Borsig actually managed to produce the Br53, then your imagination can fill the gaps.
You can even propose an imaginary country which bought locos from Switzerland and painted them silver, if you like. Wouldn't that be spectacular?
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Thanks, Mike.
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Can't we all live in peace and not expect that a particular company conforms to ours and our only views?
Lutz probably buys all the models no matter what, others are more critical. I think there is space for all, even R1 afficionados like me.
Armando can get his Roco models for his size, we all have alternatives.
I will buy as many Marklin as I can: they still are the one to beat! I am disappointed that they do so little of italian locomotives but understand. I want M* to survive and if this means saving on a mold for a Re 4/4 so be it. If it is such a sore thumb just don't buy it. I wont because I have already a few and one more would do little good. If money was not an option (as appears for some in our community) then I would go for it. For my particular taste, a wrong handrail would not be a deal breaker. Sometime even flawed models become collector items.
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<br />Can't we all live in peace and not expect that a particular company conforms to ours and our only views?
Lutz probably buys all the models no matter what, others are more critical. I think there is space for all, even R1 afficionados like me.
Armando can get his Roco models for his size, we all have alternatives.
I will buy as many Marklin as I can: they still are the one to beat! I am disappointed that they do so little of italian locomotives but understand. I want M* to survive and if this means saving on a mold for a Re 4/4 so be it. If it is such a sore thumb just don't buy it. I wont because I have already a few and one more would do little good. If money was not an option (as appears for some in our community) then I would go for it. For my particular taste, a wrong handrail would not be a deal breaker. Sometime even flawed models become collector items.
Just.. let's all get along.. please..
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I like the DRG set with the class 17,that one is a classic.
How much does 37193 and 42229 cost in NZD,toottoot might be the better one,I am staying out of Merv Smith after the 37538 nearly costed me $800NZD
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<br />Yes, the problem with the Br53 is that the front drivers are not powered. In fact, I have heard that if they are not properly lubricated, they sometimes get stuck and slide along without rotating, which causes even more pulling problems!
Having said that, I would love to have one of these beasts. I nearly got a 3102 second hand once but turned it down because the top was all stained from the smoke generators. Perhaps one day....
Ray
I would rate the BR 53 as an "average" puller. I once used it to pull 52 freight cars around the ETE modular layout.
So it is OK. I have about 6 of the variants of this model, including the cutaway version. The best feature of the lok is the double smokestack.
While the layout at the time was relatively flat, there was a gradient on a pair of modules. I don't recall a problem in this zone. I would say that track must be well laid for proper operation of this (or many others models) to operate properly. Because of the long boiler and the design, it's possible for the 4 driven axles to get slightly off the rails, and that would diminish their pulling power.
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Thanks, Dave. If/when I get one I'll try not to have more than 52 freight cars on it!
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David,
Thanks for your report on the BR-53.
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But this, #37356 Re 4/4-II 11239 "Porrentruy" is something special too, since it's the only loco of this type with logo (and some well known hand rails! [}:)]).
UPDATE:
The image of the model 37356 Re 4/4II "Porrentruy" shows the incorrect handrails from the 37342 Set and not the correct ones as in the 34344 and 29859 models.
The model from the Re 10/10 Set 37320 appears to have the correct handrails.
I hope that Maerklin takes the time to correct this detail, as I will not be ordering this item unless it is rectified. I have already sent emails to the corresponding department.
The full Maerklin and Trix New Items brochures can be seen here:
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http://medienpdb.maerklin.de/pr...lin_NH-Prospekt_2009.pdf
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http://medienpdb.maerklin.de/pr...rix_NH-Prospekt_2009.pdf
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Here is the latest information:
As you probably have read by now, the 37320 Re 10/10 Set and the 37321 Re 6/6 (620) have been postponed until 2010. The 37356 will be released this year.
This morning, I finally received a reply to my email to Maerklin regarding the issue of the handrails on the 37356 locomotive.
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Sehr geehrter Herr,
vielen Dank für Ihre Anfrage.
Das abgebildete Foto entspricht unserem Neuheitenmuster. Bis zur Serienreife können immer noch Änderungen einfließen. Die von Ihnen angegebenen unkorrekten Handläufe werden in der Serie korrigiert.
Wir hoffen, dass wir Ihnen auf diese Weise weiterhelfen können.
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"Thank you for your message.
The photo depicted shows the New Items Sample. Between first information and product release, there can still be changes. The handrails you refer to will be corrected in the final model."
I thanked them very much for their reply and informed them that I had just placed a conditional order for that item with my dealer.
I have also noted that at least one dealer is listing the item with a photo showing the correct (prototypical) handrails.
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Well done Mike. Customer power wins in the end and well done Marlin for being prepared to listen and make a change.
Success all round I think.
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Yes, well done, Mike!
I promised myself no one time serries for this year, but 37356 has just got a bit more tempting now.
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I promised myself no one time serries for this year, but 37356 has just got a bit more tempting now.
And you can be even more excited after reading what Märklin states about this model in their latest Insider News (guess who told them, including the responsible product manager, personally about those rails, etc. - for sure not Mike)
Lutz,
if you used your ability to address the issue of the 37356 with Maerklin and especially with the corresponding product manager, your assistance is appreciated. However, please do not assume that you were the ONLY one to contact Maerklin. I sent an email to Maerklin DE, Maerklin CH and to Maerklin USA about the 37342. As soon as I saw the flyer for the 37356 and 37320, I sent out a follow up to Maerklin DE and Maerklin CH.
I am sure that 998 people would be very appreciative if you would have used your connections to help correct the 37342. (Sorry, forgot that many of those sets are still sitting on store shelves or on eBay).
So, if you take a minute to stop blowing your own trumpet, look down and realize that it is not supposed to be blown from the arsch but from the lips.
Respectfully (LOL)
Mike C
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One thing we can learn from this is someone or some department at Maerklin is now more responsive to the hobbyist (the customer)... I wish they would have found this religion, some time ago...My two cents
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I am not going to make a big deal about whether a lok says Depot "Zuerich" when that number was actually based in "Bern", or even raised vs printed lettering. But an issue like a handrail, incorrect pantos or the like, especially when they have previously manufactured a correct version is almost over the top for me.
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I think I'd be inclined to complain about incorrect lettering/depot logos too. The records for which loco was assigned to which depot are freely available. It would be no more work to get it right than it would be to pick a depot at random and hope that you've picked a loco assigned there. There are thousands of photos freely available on the internet which would allow them to double check lettering and logo details before starting a production run.
At the prices Marklin charge, I don't think it's too much to ask that they do their research properly. It would be even better if they were willing to come onto forums and talk to the buyers - Dapol have done this and it shows. Their representative generally posts photos and information about forthcoming models and invites constructive criticism. If people respond (with evidence) that something is wrong then it gets changed before the model reaches production.
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Guess we don't have to worry. They are still friends ...
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<br />Guess we don't have to worry. They are still friends ...
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Hi Mike
You'll be happy to know that i just got the insider news today and the Re 4/4 II Porrentry will be getting the correct handrails on it. There is even a nice correction picture included.
Someone at Märklin is now listening to your repeated requests to correct.
I think the "new management" have revisited the customer service part of the business maybe??
Good news anyways. Its a beautiful model which i shall be ordering as well now.
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Has anyone received his/her Le Capitole set? Could you please post some pictures?
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<br />Has anyone received his/her Le Capitole set? Could you please post some pictures?
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I haven't have any one but some pictures via topic.
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