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Offline ellim  
#1 Posted : 10 October 2025 07:09:35(UTC)
ellim

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Hi all
Have anyone tried to see how long distance
locos with buffer capasitor can bridge?
Offline JohnjeanB  
#2 Posted : 10 October 2025 10:48:57(UTC)
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Hi Ellim
I think buffer capacitors can bridge a few centimeters so much so that they need to be limited so that they don't bypass a stop section or stop too late
See in page 7 of Märklin Buffer Capacitor the CVs to adjust https://static.maerklin....ccb897bad71634561299.pdf
Ideally the buffer should allow the loco to continue for 1 or 2 cm before behaving as if there was a stop section as in many layouts stop sections are approx 36 cm long.

Here is a video about installing buffer capacitor in a mSD3 or mLD3

Cheers
Jean
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Offline ellim  
#3 Posted : 10 October 2025 11:40:57(UTC)
ellim

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Thanks John for your answer
I dident even think about stop sections
But what can make a track be powerless for so short distance?
Offline 1borna  
#4 Posted : 10 October 2025 20:42:28(UTC)
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Enough to prevent the locomotive from stalling due to poor contact on a dirty section of track or when crossing a switch.
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Offline xxup  
#5 Posted : 11 October 2025 03:29:58(UTC)
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I had never thought about buffer capacitors and modern model railway software. Normally, when I calibrate a loco the braking effect has to be turned off as the software itself controls the rate of acceleration and braking. This way the software is able to bring the loco into a station within millimetres of the expected stop. I think that the difference here is that there needs to be an actual power loss to trigger the buffer capacitor, but in digital control the power is constantly on, even when the loco is stopped, which means that it should not "activate" the buffer capacitor.

Stop sections that actually take away the power are a very different story - fortunately, I don't (or didn't) use them on my layout.
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Offline bygger01  
#6 Posted : 11 October 2025 09:43:47(UTC)
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I have a couple of locomotives with an Esu buffer, here you could set the power (how long the locomotive can run).

Don't ask how, because it happened in a shop!

But it was at a minimum, because I didn't want to have problems in my brake modules.

Best regards
Jørgen St. from Herning in DK
H0 / Märklin K track / CS3+ / full digital / Epoke III +/-
Offline Copenhagen  
#7 Posted : 11 October 2025 10:58:28(UTC)
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For the ESU loksound 5 decoder with power pack the manual says that the time for the power to be active can be set with the value from 0-255. Each increment giving a time of 0.032768 seconds. So 255 would give a bit more than 8 seconds of run time (in theory at least). The factory preset is a value of 127 (4 seconds).
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Offline Kiko  
#8 Posted : 14 October 2025 06:01:53(UTC)
Kiko

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Hello All,

I have lots of Marklin locos converted to LokSound 5 decoders running DCC. All these locos have the ESU buffer capacitors installed. I set mine to 2 sec. and have no problems running trains on the layout with software control (Train Controller). Locos always stop withing a few milimeters of where they should (note: all locos are calibrated).

Just my 2 cents worth...

Cheers,
Andry
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Offline H0  
#9 Posted : 14 October 2025 10:35:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Kiko Go to Quoted Post
Locos always stop withing a few milimeters of where they should (note: all locos are calibrated).
One story is computer control where locos always get track power, but are told to stop.
A different story is using signals that simply turn off track power to stop locos. That's when the buffer capacitors can lead to problems. Two seconds at full speed might come up to 1 meter.

Regards
Tom
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Offline bygger01  
#10 Posted : 14 October 2025 10:44:02(UTC)
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These "rechargeable batteries" can be purchased in different ways.

Either the expensive ones with a brand name, or can't you just install a regular "suitable" capacitor in the circuit between the decoder and the motor?

In that case, it shouldn't be very large, since these power outages are usually just a bit of dirt on the rails.

I should say, that I am think about digital power !
Best regards
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H0 / Märklin K track / CS3+ / full digital / Epoke III +/-
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Offline H0  
#11 Posted : 14 October 2025 11:04:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bygger01 Go to Quoted Post
In that case, it shouldn't be very large, since these power outages are usually just a bit of dirt on the rails.
With regular capacitors, we usually talk about values around 0.0002 F. You still should add a resistor and a diode. No decoder support required. Will only support small bits of dirt and then needs time to recharge, so a series of small bits could already be too much.

With the new power packs, we talk about a capacity of typically 1 F and the pack must be supported by the decoder, so mixing is not possible. More power by a factor of 100+.
Regards
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Offline Kiko  
#12 Posted : 15 October 2025 05:49:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
A different story is using signals that simply turn off track power to stop locos.

The poor Preiserings -- imagine the whiplash they get every time power is cut to the track when a signal turns red and the loco suddenly stops!... We must spare them the hospital bills and get capacitors!

Cheers,
Andry
// Marklin HO K track; ECoS; TrainController Gold; Marklin & ESU decoders; Arduino controlled Switches, Semaphores & Accessories (DCC); Win 11 //
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Offline bygger01  
#13 Posted : 15 October 2025 10:54:10(UTC)
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How does a capacitor release its energy?

Is it as a quick impulse or is it like a regular battery that releases the current over a period of time!

Will the voltage be the same as the one that charges it!
Best regards
Jørgen St. from Herning in DK
H0 / Märklin K track / CS3+ / full digital / Epoke III +/-
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Offline H0  
#14 Posted : 15 October 2025 11:10:52(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Kiko Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
A different story is using signals that simply turn off track power to stop locos.

The poor Preiserings -- imagine the whiplash they get every time power is cut to the track when a signal turns red and the loco suddenly stops!... We must spare them the hospital bills and get capacitors!
Loco will still stop abuptly, just later.
Do not turn power off at red signals, use braking modules or switch to PC control, but leave power on.

Regards
Tom
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Offline Purellum  
#15 Posted : 16 October 2025 09:46:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bygger01 Go to Quoted Post
can't you just install a regular "suitable" capacitor in the circuit between the decoder and the motor?


No. First of all the capacitor needs to be bi-polar, since you don't know which way the loco is running,
and since the motor usually is controlled by a PWM signal, you can't mount a capacitor, it will ruin the PWM...

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Offline bygger01  
#16 Posted : 16 October 2025 10:28:10(UTC)
bygger01

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Thanks for the quick and clear answer from "the mast".

So the locomotives that are "trampled" (and they are usually steam locomotives with tenders), they are laid up or in the depot.

And diesel takes over ....

But it's probably no different from how they ended up in the real world!!
Best regards
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H0 / Märklin K track / CS3+ / full digital / Epoke III +/-
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