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Offline xxup  
#1 Posted : 29 August 2025 06:34:34(UTC)
xxup

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A friend of mine was recently installing a 74462 decoder with a 74491 motor into a TRIX turnout, but could not get it working with a MS2.

To eliminate problems with the new decoder and motor, I installed both items into a normal three rail turnout and used the MM protocol set to address 1. It worked perfectly. I then tried it using the DCC protocol (set dip switch 10 to on) and once again it worked perfectly.

Wiring these items into a Trix turnout is different than the method used to wire these items into a marklin turnout. The main difference is a red, white and blue coloured cable that is connected between the track and the decoder. The decoder to motor wiring is the same as used in the marklin world.

The MS2 was originally set to DCC, which is fair enough as that is all this guy uses to run his TRIX trains. As we had just finished testing DCC, we connected the decoder to the TRIX track using the different wire set, but the MS2 could not switch the motor. My thought was that the nice red, white, and blue wire set was damaged in some way. So I swapped it out with one from my set (I don't use TRIX), but it still would not work.

The MS2 was then set to MM2 and test repeated with the dip switch 10 set to off. Once again no reaction from the decoder or motor.

In desperation we switched all the decoder switches to OFF and set the MS2 to MFX, DCC, MM2. To my surprise, the motor started switching the turnout.

Clearly the decoder is now using mFx, but refuses to use the single protocol (DCC or MM2)

While this guy only has one turnout at the moment, does mFx remember which turnout was number 1,2,3 etc?

I know that there are not many TRIX users on this forum, but has anyone else experienced this odd behaviour?
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#2 Posted : 29 August 2025 11:45:43(UTC)
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Hi Adrian
Both Trix and Märklin use the same digital components and so the MS2 is identical in Märklin or Trix version (only the knob color is different)
In both cases, switch decoders 74462 may be used with an MS2 and its track box 60116 and may be programmed to work with MM2, DCC, MFX or any combination thereof.
I suggest to avoid using the MFX address assignment (simply don't select the fonction search for MFX accessories)
By leaving the MS2 with all protocols you may use DCC for some or all of your locos and MM2 for your accessories but accessories may also be programmed in DCC

If your 74462 is already registerd as MFX then it will not respond to DCC or MM2 command BUT, by simply ereasing the MFX record on the MS2 or by disabling the MFX protocol on the MS2 solves the problem. No more MFX signal means the 74462 can listen to a MM2 or DCC command

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Jean
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Offline xxup  
#3 Posted : 29 August 2025 12:56:00(UTC)
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Sadly, that appears not to be the case. It was the case with the Marklin track, but not the TRIX track. With the Marklin track I was able to switch between DCC and MM2 with ease, but only mFx worked on the TRIX track. I don't understand why this is so.
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Offline osoraku  
#4 Posted : 29 August 2025 13:33:53(UTC)
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Dear All - Maybe reset the turnout decoder with CV8=8?

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Offline JohnjeanB  
#5 Posted : 29 August 2025 13:46:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: xxup Go to Quoted Post
Sadly, that appears not to be the case. It was the case with the Marklin track, but not the TRIX track. With the Marklin track I was able to switch between DCC and MM2 with ease, but only mFx worked on the TRIX track. I don't understand why this is so.

Adrian, C Track and Trix track are only peices of plastic and metal so there is NO REASON for it not to work with Trix track.
The decoder 74462 is capable of MM2, DCC, MFX but MFX cannot be disabled but still the CS3 may send MM2, DCC order and the switch 10 helps select what the "other" protocol is
A reset (CV8=8) may help reset an undocumented toggle inside the decoder to work with "lower priority" protocols (DCC and MM2)
Jean

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Offline xxup  
#6 Posted : 30 August 2025 02:28:07(UTC)
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Not quite true. The TRIX turnouts have a circuit board that runs almost the length of the track - this is what the multi coloured cable from the decoder connects into.. Whereas, in the Marklin world that same socket on the decoder end just provides the wires (red and Brown) to connect to the track.

As I mentioned, when the decoder and motor were connected to the marklin track, prior to connecting to the TRIX track, they were working with DCC set on the MS2 and via the dip switches on the decoder. All I did was unplug the decoder and motor from the Marklin track and connect it to the TRIX track using the multi-coloured cable, after removing the markin-specific plug. No other changes were made to the MS2 or the decoder dip switches.

I agree with your logic, but the practice says otherwise.
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#7 Posted : 31 August 2025 17:10:46(UTC)
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Hi Adrian
Indeed all I have are C-Track pieces and not any Trix track pieces. Indeed there is a PCB under Trix switches and I fail to see any electronic components but rather a way to have a polarized frog
The multi-coloured cable is to bring the track power to the decoder whereas in the Märklin version you have 3 wires (brown, red, yellow) with small faston connectors
The video shows clearly all this


So I don't pretend I know everything and I am still trying to understand. The change between the C Track and the Trix track is the multicoloured cable which brings power to the decoder and the possible issues are: there is a permutation of the B and the O signals (which may cause the decoder not to work), the power wire (the yellow one in the Märklin wiring that is not connected causing the decoder to work but NOT to deliver power to the solénoid) or a cable error or plugging error
Anyway I am really interested in what you will find out
Just as a reference here is the Märklin C Trak installation of the same modules


Cheers
Jean
Offline xxup  
#8 Posted : 01 September 2025 01:15:56(UTC)
xxup

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That makes two of us. We spent hours looking at the problem. My initial post was a summary of the many things that we did to try to understand why it would not work. The only thing that we did not try was breaking open the turnout and tracing the circuit board path.

The problem makes no sense to me either.

So, to eliminate the possibility of a bad batch of TRIX turnouts, I am going to buy one for myself from another source and work out just what is going on here. I will update in a few weeks - it takes a long time for anything to get down here. Crying
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#9 Posted : 01 September 2025 12:48:15(UTC)
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Hi Adrian
One possibility is to connect the decoder directly (not through the switch) using the marklin cable and see if it works It MUST
Cheers
Jean
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