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Offline auntmartha  
#1 Posted : 18 July 2025 12:17:22(UTC)
auntmartha

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Found these photos while searching about VW transports on rail :




Does anyone know more about these Swedish un-usual and out of loading gauge additions ( "shoes" ) to a normal wagon ?

And then this popped up about OPEL autos - also in Sweden :



where it is not shoes but long width additions.

And - Does anyone know what kind of wagon it is - surely some kind of timber car ?

Any additional information / pictures are welcome.

/Christian
Yours sincerely / Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Bien cordialement
Mr. Christian Vinaa
http://www.vinaa.dk/trains
...... Meanwhile, aunt Martha, having taken a tramp in the woods,
is lying in a ditch at the edge of town .........................
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#2 Posted : 18 July 2025 14:44:48(UTC)
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Those wagons were presumably made for a narrower loading gauge, if, as you suggest, they are ex-timber transport wagons then maybe they were originally built to go into forests on tight twisting logging tracks, and so built to a reduced width. A beetle or t1 van isn't that wide, so they wagons must be very narrow to require supports for the wheels both sides.

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Offline hxmiesa  
#3 Posted : 18 July 2025 14:51:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Those wagons were presumably made for a narrower loading gauge, if, as you suggest, they are ex-timber transport wagons then maybe they were originally built to go into forests on tight twisting logging tracks, and so built to a reduced width. A beetle or t1 van isn't that wide, so they wagons must be very narrow to require supports for the wheels both sides.

I´m not so sure. There are actually 4 cars on each waggon. So actually VERY wide!
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Online osoraku  
#4 Posted : 18 July 2025 18:34:25(UTC)
osoraku

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Not really a roll-on - roll-off loading scheme … crane or forklift rather.

Osoraku
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Offline bph  
#5 Posted : 18 July 2025 18:38:02(UTC)
bph

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Perhaps Oms or Oe cars with the sides removed?. eg 47730 and 45084

More pictures can be found here: https://digitaltmuseum.org/search?q=bilar+godsvagn

(digitaltmuseum.org is an official site for Norwegian and Swedish museums, including the railway museums)
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Offline xxup  
#6 Posted : 19 July 2025 13:36:54(UTC)
xxup

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What I don't understand is that the picture shows left hand drive cars being offloaded in Sweden, but Sweden was right hand drive in those days?

https://digitaltmuseum.o...t-av-bilar/media?slide=0

Or could you just pick a side to drive on like they do in Italy? Crying
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#7 Posted : 19 July 2025 14:38:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hxmiesa Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Those wagons were presumably made for a narrower loading gauge, if, as you suggest, they are ex-timber transport wagons then maybe they were originally built to go into forests on tight twisting logging tracks, and so built to a reduced width. A beetle or t1 van isn't that wide, so they wagons must be very narrow to require supports for the wheels both sides.

I´m not so sure. There are actually 4 cars on each waggon. So actually VERY wide!


Oh, yes, I missed that there were cars side by side.

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Offline 1borna  
#8 Posted : 19 July 2025 19:42:34(UTC)
1borna

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At that time, VW did not make right-hand drive vehicles, and the need for vehicles was great, so left-hand drive cars were also used.
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Online LeoArietis  
#9 Posted : 19 July 2025 22:33:13(UTC)
LeoArietis

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Yes, it’s some form of Swedish O*-wagons, and the sides as well as the gables can be folded down, both outwards and inwards.

Since road vehicles are fairly small and light weight this arrangement was made for transport of new cars.

The Swedish loading profile is somewhat wider than German or Danish, and today even wider.

Later versions had 4 H-stakes at the gables, and Os meant they were allowed to go in 100 km/h.

It’s an all purpose open flat wagon. So adequate for timber with the sides folded down. With the sides up or down with respect to the current use anything like coal, gravel, machinery, pallets, trucks, crates, containers, one long anchor chain usually in several adjacent wagons, et cetera could be loaded.

Since the O-wagon was to short to carry a 40-foot container and with the Kbs and other types of wagons they were becoming outdated by the 1970-80’s but since they were built in such large numbers and dirt-cheap they continued to be around for a very long time.

Sweden shifted to drive on the right side of the road 3 of September 1967 at exactly 05.00 (am), and at 04.50 that day all drivers had to stop and wait before slowly crossing and start drive on the right side.

At that time most vehicles had steering on the left side.

As a consequence most tramways were closed down and replaced with buses. Trams only continued to operate in a few cities like Gothenburg (Göteborg), Norrköping, partly in Malmö and Stockholm.
Current layout:
http://www.svensktmjforu.../index.php?topic=10990.0
The former project:
http://www.svensktmjforu...forum_posts.asp?TID=1097
With Pictures and trackplans, but in Swedish
Transitation-curves in C-track:
https://www.marklin-user...9-on-75-cm.aspx#post9281
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