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Offline rbw993  
#1 Posted : 06 April 2025 19:59:18(UTC)
rbw993

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I recently purchased three of these wagons after hearing about them from Mike C. A couple of convenient things about them is that they can be ordered with Marklin wheelsets (installed) and couplers (you intall). The cars are diecast metal, well painted, and come with two types of carrying plates for the containers, one with a pin and the other with a hole. There is no underbody detailing so they look better loaded and there is that much to see on the prototype anyway. The first picture shows the car with a few of the mounting plates that have fallen off. There are different plates for the resting (down position) and the load position Flipped up for the container). I glued all my load position plates in the up position as MoBaBro suggests.

MoBaBro Car.jpg



The cars don't come with containers, though you can order them from MoBaBro separately. I added these two with no issues, they fit right on the plates with holes. I prefer containers with pins. The packing insures that the cars will arrive in good shape.

MoBaBro Box.jpg




This last picture shows the instructions for mounting plates and detail parts

MoBaBro Instr.jpg

Regards,
Roger
Modeling Immensee, mile/km 0 on the Gottard. SBB Era V.
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Offline mike c  
#2 Posted : 07 April 2025 20:12:45(UTC)
mike c

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I have a few of these on their way to me. I need a few more cars that can hold my selection of Herpa/Kombimodell 45 foot containers. I was reading in some of the German forums that people were saying that the little yellow pins were falling off.
How easily were the parts mounted and did you experience any issues?

Regards

Mike C
Offline rbw993  
#3 Posted : 08 April 2025 13:50:12(UTC)
rbw993

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They do fall off but are easy to mount back on. They snap on like the "Kombi" ones do. The issue is the "mounting plates" are to scale, small and thin, so there is not a lot of clamping force where they snap on. MoBaBro recommends gluing them. I like the cars a lot, they run well out of the box. I had to modify the Kombi-Modell cars, used a Dremel to grind clearance for Marklin depth wheel flanges.

Roger
Modeling Immensee, mile/km 0 on the Gottard. SBB Era V.
Offline mike c  
#4 Posted : 14 April 2025 00:58:55(UTC)
mike c

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I was just reading a report in a German forum that Mobabro will be replacing the container fixation pins on the first generation of models.

https://www.drehscheibe-...en/read.php?010,11097221

My models are on their way over the pond. I will get in touch with my dealer for more info.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#5 Posted : 16 April 2025 01:08:12(UTC)
kimballthurlow

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Thanks for the information.
I am interested in these types of cars.
Are Mobabro prices about the same as Märklin?

With these different types of container mountings it makes me wonder why NEM has not established a 1:87 standard like everything else.
The current situation is restrictive and annoying.

Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge.
Offline Dave Banks  
#6 Posted : 16 April 2025 04:03:39(UTC)
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Question, would these hook up on a C-track turnout with lantern?
D.A.Banks
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#7 Posted : 16 April 2025 12:37:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
Thanks for the information.
I am interested in these types of cars.
Are Mobabro prices about the same as Märklin?

With these different types of container mountings it makes me wonder why NEM has not established a 1:87 standard like everything else.
The current situation is restrictive and annoying.

Kimball


There is an NEM standard for containers.
https://www.morop.org/images/NEM...380_de_2023_20240824.pdf only in German unforunately.



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Offline rbw993  
#8 Posted : 16 April 2025 14:15:29(UTC)
rbw993

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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
Thanks for the information.
I am interested in these types of cars.
Are Mobabro prices about the same as Märklin?

With these different types of container mountings it makes me wonder why NEM has not established a 1:87 standard like everything else.
The current situation is restrictive and annoying.

Kimball


Hi Kimball,
Yes, the cars were 51 Euros each.

Roger
Modeling Immensee, mile/km 0 on the Gottard. SBB Era V.
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Offline rbw993  
#9 Posted : 16 April 2025 14:17:37(UTC)
rbw993

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Originally Posted by: Dave Banks Go to Quoted Post
Question, would these hook up on a C-track turnout with lantern?


I don't know Dave. I haven't any R2 turnouts and none with lanterns. They aren't very long.

Roger
Modeling Immensee, mile/km 0 on the Gottard. SBB Era V.
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#10 Posted : 18 April 2025 10:19:46(UTC)
kimballthurlow

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Location: Brisbane, Australia
Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
Thanks for the information.
I am interested in these types of cars.
Are Mobabro prices about the same as Märklin?

With these different types of container mountings it makes me wonder why NEM has not established a 1:87 standard like everything else.
The current situation is restrictive and annoying.

Kimball


There is an NEM standard for containers.
https://www.morop.org/images/NEM...380_de_2023_20240824.pdf only in German unforunately.





Hi Alan,
Thank you for raising this important information about the NEM standards.
I studied the document.

By measuring the Märklin models, they absolutely conform to the NEM standards.
That is for the 40' and 20' foot containers, and I do not doubt the 22'6" containers would be the same (I don't have one to measure).

What I can also add using my own models as examples, is that Märklin, Rivarossi and Electrotren containers are NEM compatible, and a compatible fit.
There are variations of up to 0.3mm even in the same brand, probably due to material formation exigencies. This might mean some tightness of fitting.
The Walthers product is not compatible in the length, but with judicious careful removal of half of each pin from the outside (longways) it will fit. Why bother buying, eh?
The Piko product is not compatible with any of the above, because the size variation is in the order of 1.5-2mm for L and W, and 0.4mm in pin diameter.

I am sorry I don't own other brands to say if they do or do not conform.

Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge.
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Offline mike c  
#11 Posted : 19 April 2025 05:45:48(UTC)
mike c

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I have a number of models and containers that are supposed to adhere to NEM rules, but the containers don't fit the cars or vice versa. It can be that the spacing on the pins/sockets is too far apart or too close or that the pins/sockets on the cars are also off by a millimetre.
On Kombimodell, only one set of fixations are used. On others (Maerklin, Fleischmann, B Models, etc) it is designed to fit all the slots. Roco has a different system than the edge of the containers.

Of my Maerklin cars, I have noticed that the 45 Foot "Geest" containers on the 47051.006 doesn't sit happily. I think that the issue is with the spacing of the pins on the Herpa container.
I also have some Kombimodell 30 foot Bertschi and Rinnen Tanks with pins that do not fit on the Maerklin Sgns car (47051.XXX)

Regards

Mike C
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Offline mike c  
#12 Posted : 21 April 2025 20:25:32(UTC)
mike c

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Here is a photo from the Swiss Hag Forum of the replacement parts:
LOKI_6_2025_Telegram_MoBaBro04.jpeg

MC

Edited by user 24 April 2025 22:27:32(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Offline mike c  
#13 Posted : 24 April 2025 20:22:08(UTC)
mike c

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I received my first three (2 Hupac, 1 Wascosa) Mobabro models yesterday. Now I have to decide on the loads (45 foot containers (sockets), 23 foot swap tanks (sockets) or trailers (kingpin))
I tested the supplied mounts with some Kombimodell/Herpa containers and found that they do not support the load as well as I had expected. I think that it is likely that they will run with trailers for now.

IMG_6556.jpeg
IMG_6557.jpeg

Regards

Mike C

Edited by user 25 April 2025 07:20:56(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline mike c  
#14 Posted : 25 April 2025 08:25:09(UTC)
mike c

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I don't know much about Mobabro.de and it does not specifically say where the models are manufactured.
It is possible that the models were manufactured with the assistance of another company.
The address for Mobabro is in the Karlsruhe region (Baden-Wuerttemberg).

The design of the container fixation seems to be very similar to the design developed by Saechsische Waggonfabrik Stollberg for their Kombimodell production.
It is possible that Mobabro had the models made for them by SWS, but I could not find any confirmation.

There is a link between mobabro.de and modellbahn.blog, but no mention of who the producer of the models is.

Regards

Mike C
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