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Adrian666		#1 Posted : 10 March 2025 19:09:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/01/2025(UTC) Posts: 44 Location: Ilfov, Voluntari		Hello guys, I have marklin cs3+ and i recently bought 2 digital locomotives : fleischmann and roco , both in Ac digital no sound The station cs3+ is able to see both in the track but the locos does not move, lights do not turn on I tested other brands with sound, they all work - but with sound like kato , roco but without they do not work Any ideas? https://www.ebay.com/itm...emis&media=WHATS_APP

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marklinist5999		#2 Posted : 10 March 2025 22:00:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,866 Location: Michigan, Troy		Exactly. Roco Zimo decoders are not MFX. Only DCC. The default address is 03. You must install it on your CS 3 by adding manually in the DCC protocol. If you want to change the address you need it in the programming track.


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Goofy		#3 Posted : 10 March 2025 22:11:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		Originally Posted by: Adrian666 Hello guys, I have marklin cs3+ and i recently bought 2 digital locomotives : fleischmann and roco , both in Ac digital no sound The station cs3+ is able to see both in the track but the locos does not move, lights do not turn on I tested other brands with sound, they all work - but with sound like kato , roco but without they do not work Any ideas? I cannot see if CS3+ did read out the decoder with DCC protocol and if the adress 3 was success? It seems that there are no contact between decoder and the motor? Check inside of the loco.
		H0 DCC = Digital Command Control


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Adrian666		#4 Posted : 10 March 2025 23:49:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/01/2025(UTC) Posts: 44 Location: Ilfov, Voluntari		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Exactly. Roco Zimo decoders are not MFX. Only DCC. The default address is 03. You must install it on your CS 3 by adding manually in the DCC protocol. If you want to change the address you need it in the programming track. Hi, thanks for Your time. The address 3 is used by another loco, what should i do? Btw in the listing the seller says the address is78 , is that important? Thanks

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rhfil		#5 Posted : 11 March 2025 00:02:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/09/2014(UTC) Posts: 674 Location: NEW HAMPSHIRE, Somersworth		DCC address 03 is standard shipping address. First thing you need to do is get a programming track. All you need is a couple sections of track long enough to safely hold a locomotive and a plug and some wire. Having two locomotives with the same address is not a problem unless both are on the layout at the same time. But possibly the loco you have has a DCC address of 78. You can register it with that address and see if it responds. The advantage of having a programming track is it allows your CS3 to send signals/instructions/queries to a single locomotive so, for example, you change the address of only one locomotive and not all of them. There are a number of manuals you can download for help and instructional videos on Youtube.

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Adrian666		#6 Posted : 11 March 2025 07:30:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/01/2025(UTC) Posts: 44 Location: Ilfov, Voluntari		when I setup the locomotive what do I choose between MM or DCC ? on my Roco Ludmila with sound I went for DCC and it works but I see on youtube that some went for MM, even if the locomotive is not Marklin.

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marklinist5999		#7 Posted : 11 March 2025 12:00:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,866 Location: Michigan, Troy		Adrian, select DCC for the decoder address. MM is Motorola and Roco Zimo decoders are not. They utilize railcom. You can keep both protocols enabled on your CS 3 though.


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Adrian666		#8 Posted : 11 March 2025 13:27:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/01/2025(UTC) Posts: 44 Location: Ilfov, Voluntari		I have an update 1)for roco vt98 it doesn't run/ move either way on DCC or MM , I was using the test track( second option on the back of the cs3+) even if the message was that was able to read successfully https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BlcSD9uUTdM 2)as for fleishcmann AC it does work on MM but NOT on DCC . In MM when I input the 38 address manually it worked but before that it says that the reading was NOT successfully - weird I have 2 questions: is it analog or digital? and can you tell me your opinion about the sound that's coming from the loco, it doesn't sounds good. it doesn't move at 1-2 km, needs more than that.

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marklinist5999		#9 Posted : 11 March 2025 15:10:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,866 Location: Michigan, Troy		Buzzing from a motor isn't good. Is it only upon start off, or constantly? I don't know what decoders Fleischman used, but I suspect it is MM. Remove the body. If it has no decoder it's analog. If it has one, if it's black without dip switches it is either early ESU or Uhlenbrock. ESU decoders today are blue.


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rhfil		#10 Posted : 11 March 2025 17:34:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/09/2014(UTC) Posts: 674 Location: NEW HAMPSHIRE, Somersworth		I assume what you are calling the "test track" is the programming track. So are you running the search for locomotive option and that is resulting in an unsuccessful reading? I am not sure if that works for non DCC decoders. Not even sure if it works for non Marklin locos but assuming it simply runs through all possible DCC addresses until it receives a response from the decoder I would assume the manufacturer is not important as long as it uses the acceptable communications protocol. Oh, also not sure if it finds fx or mm decoders.

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H0		#11 Posted : 11 March 2025 21:39:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,432 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: rhfil Not even sure if it works for non Marklin locos but assuming it simply runs through all possible DCC addresses until it receives a response from the decoder I would assume the manufacturer is not important as long as it uses the acceptable communications protocol. Oh, also not sure if it finds fx or mm decoders. For DCC decoders, the controller just reads four CVs to determine the address. Theoretically this should work with all decoders, but sometimes there are problems if a loco draws a very small current. For MM protocol, all addresses are tried and F0 is turned on. No luck if F0 does nothing or draws a very small current.
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