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Offline stevebkk  
#1 Posted : 17 December 2013 18:51:24(UTC)
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If you've ever spent time browsing in wine shops, then you've probably wondered where on earth some vineyards get their label designs from. Clearly some are purely a marketing ploy. Some are humorous, but do they really make you buy? In the case of rolling stock, some of us may be tempted by clever or attractive marketing, but aside from simply limited edition collectors models, there are often other reasons why we each choose to buy a wagon or carriage. I'll start the ball rolling with a set that I recently acquired in Tokyo in October. When I came across the Paul Gaugin art collection set (4415,911), I simply couldn't resist it because I love both the Tahitian Islands as well as Paul Gaugin and his art. I'd have to admit that I was completely oblivious to the price (expensive) and the fact that it was a limited edition was simply a bonus. It'd be interesting to hear some insights and confessions from the rest of you!?

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Offline biotechee  
#2 Posted : 17 December 2013 20:34:10(UTC)
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I have to admit that I fall prey to the "limited edition" label more than I probably should. I get an extra bit of satisfaction knowing there are, in general, fewer *copies* of a limited edition when compared to the normal edition. But, in many cases, a limited edition isn't what I would call a limited edition. Sometimes they number in the many thousands versus 100's or ten's.

And let's face it - rationale sometimes becomes curiously absent when purchasing a "want" versus a "need," especially when dealing with a hobby or passion!

So to answer your question directly, I usually buy something Marklin-related because I want it and I like the way it looks. Plain and simple. No other rationale than that honestly.

Jim
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Offline petestra  
#3 Posted : 17 December 2013 20:46:06(UTC)
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I agree, Jim. I buy Märklin items because they fit a Lok or other coaches/wagons I have

or sometimes just because I like it. Peter BigGrin
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Offline stevebkk  
#4 Posted : 20 December 2013 16:01:19(UTC)
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Thanks Jim and Peter, fully understand. Back in civilisation now, so was able to post a photo finally. Steve
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Offline jvuye  
#5 Posted : 20 December 2013 16:29:24(UTC)
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Pretty nice set!
Lucky that you found it!
I am a big fan of Gauguin's painting too!
Just a small point: Paul Gauguin lived in the Marquesas Archipelago (Nuku Hiva to be precise)which is a different part of French Polynesia.
Tahiti itself belongs to the Iles de la Société) and is about 800 nm away.

Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn
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Offline stevebkk  
#6 Posted : 20 December 2013 16:38:59(UTC)
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Cheers Jacques, you are absolutely correct .......I just tend to simplify things because many people have never heard of the Marquesas. Been to French Polynesia several times, but still haven't made it out to the Marquesas. The shop in Tokyo actually had a second art collection series by another painter, Van Gogh, but I was simply delighted to acquire the Gaugin set; also that being a cash only dealer, I wouldn't have had enough with me anyway!
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Offline pserup  
#7 Posted : 21 December 2013 09:55:05(UTC)
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For me it goes like this: I see something I want Love It quickly develops into a fever Drool Then I need it to cure the fever and thus I buy it with good conscience. It's quite simple really LOL
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Offline H0  
#8 Posted : 21 December 2013 10:36:29(UTC)
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For me it goes like this: I see something I want Love It quickly develops into a fever Drool
Sometimes it goes like that. Sometimes it goes the other way: I see something I don't want and a (maybe small) aspect makes me avoid a model (I saw the ugly pantographs of the new E 93 and was cured).

Not all models cure the fever that was caused by the nice photos in the new items brochure.

I'm afraid I developed from a Märklin collector to a scale model rail road collector - now scale is more important than 7 red letters on the box. Märklin lost a lot of its magic as too many models had too many Märklinisms.
Regards
Tom
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Offline cookee_nz  
#9 Posted : 21 December 2013 10:47:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: biotechee Go to Quoted Post
I have to admit that I fall prey to the "limited edition" label more than I probably should. I get an extra bit of satisfaction knowing there are, in general, fewer *copies* of a limited edition when compared to the normal edition. But, in many cases, a limited edition isn't what I would call a limited edition. Sometimes they number in the many thousands versus 100's or ten's.

And let's face it - rationale sometimes becomes curiously absent when purchasing a "want" versus a "need," especially when dealing with a hobby or passion!

So to answer your question directly, I usually buy something Marklin-related because I want it and I like the way it looks. Plain and simple. No other rationale than that honestly.

Jim


Yep I'm with you on that one. Even just the mere mention of Märklin will make my ears prick up for a closer look.

Like many others here I tend to collect to some sort of a theme, examples are the Christmas wagons which currently my oldest daughter gets for me religiously and which are very treasured. I also was for a time collecting the MMagazin Wagons' I like the attractive blue colour scheme of them although I'v not purchased a new one for around 5 years so I'm a bit behind and catch-up is costly.

But from time to time something really outstanding for me comes along and I just have to have it. One example was this limited set which came out a few years ago for a specific retailer, it has some of my favourite brands featured and makes a nice looking and unique consist.

Code 84422 from 1995, only 500 sets produced

And further below, something quirky I just HAD to have, cracked me up when I saw it
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Offline NS1200  
#10 Posted : 21 December 2013 11:02:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: stevekl Go to Quoted Post
Cheers Jacques, you are absolutely correct .......I just tend to simplify things because many people have never heard of the Marquesas. Been to French Polynesia several times, but still haven't made it out to the Marquesas. The shop in Tokyo actually had a second art collection series by another painter, Van Gogh, but I was simply delighted to acquire the Gaugin set; also that being a cash only dealer, I wouldn't have had enough with me anyway!


The Van Gogh set is really beautiful,taking into account that Van Gogh is one of the most famous Dutch painters.
Almost bought it but price was beyond my scope.
The sets for Gaugin and Van Gogh were limited to 700 each,the sets are numbered that way.
There have been similar sets to these,such as the set for painter Albert Anker,and others.
Basis is the ever present reefercar 4415.

Two aspects to be taken into account:

A) Does it really have a collectors value on the long run,i doubt that.

B) Does it reflect any prototype,no it does not!

In short:if you like them,buy them,but not as an investment.

Cheers,
Paul.
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
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Offline petestra  
#11 Posted : 21 December 2013 16:00:06(UTC)
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Hi Cookee, thanks for the photos. You know, I cannot be sure about it but I think that

the photo of the wooden Märklin boxes might have been used to sell American-looking

train sets to American Soldiers stationed in Germany in the 1950s? I know that some

of these sets were sold at bases in Germany (PX stores). ??? Peter

Smile
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Offline stevebkk  
#12 Posted : 21 December 2013 16:03:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: biotechee Go to Quoted Post
I have to admit that I fall prey to the "limited edition" label more than I probably should. I get an extra bit of satisfaction knowing there are, in general, fewer *copies* of a limited edition when compared to the normal edition. But, in many cases, a limited edition isn't what I would call a limited edition. Sometimes they number in the many thousands versus 100's or ten's.

And let's face it - rationale sometimes becomes curiously absent when purchasing a "want" versus a "need," especially when dealing with a hobby or passion!

So to answer your question directly, I usually buy something Marklin-related because I want it and I like the way it looks. Plain and simple. No other rationale than that honestly.

Jim


Yep I'm with you on that one. Even just the mere mention of Märklin will make my ears prick up for a closer look.

Like many others here I tend to collect to some sort of a theme, examples are the Christmas wagons which currently my oldest daughter gets for me religiously and which are very treasured. I also was for a time collecting the MMagazin Wagons' I like the attractive blue colour scheme of them although I'v not purchased a new one for around 5 years so I'm a bit behind and catch-up is costly.

But from time to time something really outstanding for me comes along and I just have to have it. One example was this limited set which came out a few years ago for a specific retailer, it has some of my favourite brands featured and makes a nice looking and unique consist.

Code 84422 from 1995, only 500 sets produced

And further below, something quirky I just HAD to have, cracked me up when I saw it


Cookee, must admit for sure that I occasionally buy wagons for the advertised brands. Your box set is really nice, and of course unique. The quirky set is hilarious, it would be interesting to gauge reactions if you placed that on a large layout at a model railway exhibition! BigGrin
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Offline petestra  
#13 Posted : 21 December 2013 19:34:34(UTC)
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Nice topic, Steve. I ♥ those artist wagons. Peter BigGrin
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Offline cookee_nz  
#14 Posted : 21 December 2013 21:34:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: petestra Go to Quoted Post
Hi Cookee, thanks for the photos.

You know, I cannot be sure about it but I think that the photo of the wooden Märklin boxes might have been used to sell American-looking train sets to American Soldiers stationed in Germany in the 1950s?

I know that some of these sets were sold at bases in Germany (PX stores). ??? Peter

Smile


Hi Peter, I presume you are referring to the wooden boxes in my album pics?

Did you also get to see the full article relating to them on my website? - Old Märklin Wooden Box Mystery

Yours is a good suggestion except that we've pretty much determined that the timber used is NZ Pine and the boxes do appear to be unique to NZ - ie made here

There is no evidence they originated from Märklin although the large label on the box is the genuine article as used on a number of cardboard start-set boxes of the time.

Cheers

Steve
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Offline cookee_nz  
#15 Posted : 21 December 2013 21:44:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: stevekl Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: biotechee Go to Quoted Post
I have to admit that I fall prey to the "limited edition" label more than I probably should. I get an extra bit of satisfaction knowing there are, in general, fewer *copies* of a limited edition when compared to the normal edition. But, in many cases, a limited edition isn't what I would call a limited edition. Sometimes they number in the many thousands versus 100's or ten's.

And let's face it - rationale sometimes becomes curiously absent when purchasing a "want" versus a "need," especially when dealing with a hobby or passion!

So to answer your question directly, I usually buy something Marklin-related because I want it and I like the way it looks. Plain and simple. No other rationale than that honestly.

Jim


Yep I'm with you on that one. Even just the mere mention of Märklin will make my ears prick up for a closer look.

Like many others here I tend to collect to some sort of a theme, examples are the Christmas wagons which currently my oldest daughter gets for me religiously and which are very treasured. I also was for a time collecting the MMagazin Wagons' I like the attractive blue colour scheme of them although I'v not purchased a new one for around 5 years so I'm a bit behind and catch-up is costly.

But from time to time something really outstanding for me comes along and I just have to have it. One example was this limited set which came out a few years ago for a specific retailer, it has some of my favourite brands featured and makes a nice looking and unique consist.

Code 84422 from 1995, only 500 sets produced

And further below, something quirky I just HAD to have, cracked me up when I saw it


Cookee, must admit for sure that I occasionally buy wagons for the advertised brands. Your box set is really nice, and of course unique. The quirky set is hilarious, it would be interesting to gauge reactions if you placed that on a large layout at a model railway exhibition! BigGrin


That's a good point, we (the MMRC) happen to have just such a large exhibition layout ("Bergtalbahn"), I'm sure next time we display it I might find a corner where it could be placed for curiosity.

Cheers

Steve
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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#16 Posted : 06 March 2025 01:21:26(UTC)
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And rescuing this thread from the archives...so to speak...LOL

I have both the Gauguin and the Van Gogh sets Love , although I missed out on the Van Gogh "Message Wagon" items...Crying

I am definitely an easy (Deutsche) mark for a pretty car/lok/whatever RollEyes ...ummm Märklin Mark....ummmRollEyes

LOL LOL LOL
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Offline marklinist5999  
#17 Posted : 06 March 2025 13:08:58(UTC)
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Nice all. I was absent in 2013. Ailing aging parents and lack of funds and interest.
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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#18 Posted : 06 March 2025 14:09:54(UTC)
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märklinist...Mellow I have been down the same road, my friend...I have always found it welcoming back here in the fold...Cool
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Offline Vinedusk  
#19 Posted : 07 March 2025 09:07:56(UTC)
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märklinist...Mellow I have been down the same road, my friend...I have always found it welcoming back here in the fold...Cool


Robert Plant 1973: "does anybody remember laughter?"
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Offline FastEddie  
#20 Posted : 07 March 2025 17:01:56(UTC)
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Interesting topic. I tend to be a purist regarding most of my collecting. I like my engines and cars to look like those that really ran on the rails. I avoid buying engines in strange blue hues that are described as "what they might have looked like if they were painted blue". I also don't buy Marklin cars that have fanciful advertising on them or national cars with pics appropriate to a particular nation etc. On the other hand, I happily buy Marklin engines and rail stock that are proto-typically inaccurate in size without compunction ... so I guess I am not such a purist!
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Online kimballthurlow  
#21 Posted : 08 March 2025 01:58:58(UTC)
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I think collecting is very individual, everyone has their own take on it.

I like things that are prototypically correct as Fast Eddie mentions, particularly in making up engine and consist.
But then I also collect wagons with no particular realism, such as commemmoration/museum wagons for any year that ends in "9".
Märklin began business in 1859, that is why I chose "9".
So I have wagons for 1929, 1979, 1989 and so on.

I also have a few commemmorative/celebratory wagons for each of the model manufacturers Fleischmann, Jouef, Märklin, and Kleinbahn.
Piko and Roco have escaped me so far.
Kimball
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Offline xxup  
#22 Posted : 08 March 2025 04:25:17(UTC)
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...Piko and Roco have escaped me so far...


Sounds like a plan.. Smile
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Online David Dewar  
#23 Posted : 08 March 2025 21:06:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: xxup Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
...Piko and Roco have escaped me so far...


Sounds like a plan.. Smile


Adrian How is Miss 7 doing. Now I am 83 she must be in her 50s lol

Piko and Roco are OK most of the time.





Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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