Joined: 04/02/2025(UTC) Posts: 1 Location: Wellington
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Hi team! This is my first time on Marklin-users I'm a young enthusiast from NZ hoping to have some help with automation. I've got a good stock of M-track from my Dad and am currently trying to plan a track plan. I am especially interested in the possible automation with signals and contact tracks and I've got the automation sorted for most of the layout except for the station. But for whatever reason I simply cannot figure out a way to automate a two-lane station area. I understand how it would work with one train at a time but is it even possible to have two trains in there at once? Attached is a photo of the station I am trying to do. The trains will be going left to right. I have added two 5115 contact tracks with the idea that they can switch the leftmost 5118 turnout. i.e. the contact track in the left lane will switch the turnout to go into the right lane.  I'm sure there is already a plan for something like this but for the life of me I cannot find it, I have scoured the internet for ages trying to figure this out. Any advice or tips would be much appreciated! Thanks!
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Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,884 Location: Michigan, Troy
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Welcome busted, do you have a real name? If you wish, you can introduce yourself in the "who we are" topic. To utilize the contact tracks, you need a feedback module relay to connect between the turnouts and contact track. The analog ones are no longer available new. You can search for used ones on eBay or Catawiki.
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Joined: 15/11/2018(UTC) Posts: 431 Location: Uusimaa, Helsinki
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Hi bustedbenzes,
Are we talking about analog automation?
Assuming yes, you will need a signal for each station track and a universal relay (7245). Both tracks need a circuit track placed at the end of each track just before the stopping areas of the signals. Another circuit track is added somewhere further ahead on the right.
Assume initially there is a train waiting on the upper station track (A) and both exit signals (signal A and signal B) are set to "red". The entry switch is set to "straight". The universal relay is set to "green".
When a train enters the station from the left, it will therefore go to the lower station track (B). When it hits the circuit track, three things happen: (1) signal A is set to "green", (2) the entry switch is set to "turn" and (3) the universal relay is set to "green". Then the train stops at the stopping area.
Meanwhile, the train on track A proceeds out of the station. When it hits the circuit track further ahead, the circuit track will send a pulse to the universal relay which will pass it to the signal A, setting it to "red".
With this, the mirror image of the initial state is established: the waiting train is now on track B, the entry switch is set to "turn" and the universal relay is set to "red".
When the train that just left the station eventually comes back from the left, it will go to the upper station track A and hits its circuit track. This will (1) set signal B to "green", (2) turn the entry switch to "straight" and (3) flip the universal relay back to "green", thus re-establishing the initial state.
The exit switch does not need automation, as trains can pass it independent of its setting.
So, the universal relay stores the state of the system: "green" indicates the the track A is reserved, and "red" that the track B is reserved. (If you are using old-school 70xx signals, you can use one to mimic the operation of the 7245.)
There must be other ways to do this, but this was the first that came to my mind. In all likelihood I may have missed something, so beware! Anyway, something like this will probably fill your need. Consult the Märklin 0340 Signal Manual for inspiration.
Contact tracks can also be used, but they probably require a more complex design to make sure that cars stopping on contact tracks do not burn the solenoids of the switches and the signals. One approach is to use further universal relays to enable and disable contact tracks appropriately. Even circuit tracks may cause problems if the trains have cars with current pick-ups that happen to stop residing just at a circuit track. |
- Martti M.
Era III analog & digital (Rocrail, CAN Digital Bahn, Gleisbox/MS2, K83/K84), C & M tracks, some Spur 1 |
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Joined: 04/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 480 Location: USA
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A mentioned, be careful with contact track and solenoid switches and signals. They work on a brief power pulse, not continuous power. Latter happens when train slider stalls on a contact track. Solenoid overheats and warps its internal slider. Ben |
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Joined: 08/12/2021(UTC) Posts: 141 Location: California, Sonoma County
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If you are doing analogue, this link from Robert Frowenfeld on signals and track laying might be helpful. If the link does not work, please go to his site and the book is near the bottom end of his website. http://www.rjftrains.com/technical/0340.pdf
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Joined: 02/02/2017(UTC) Posts: 694 Location: England, South Coast
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If the OP has boxes of old stuff he may have 7045. This is the old version of 7245 mentioned above and works in the same way.
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Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 783 Location: NEW JERSEY, USA
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I have done this before. Train 1 stops then launches train 2 at the same time flipping the switch at the entrance to the station. It helps if the sidings are long. This gives you more wiggle room when locating the contact sections. You cannot allow a train to stop on a contact section as something will burn up. I remember I used no relay. I'll try to draw a schematic. Unless someone beats me to it. Mikey |
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Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 783 Location: NEW JERSEY, USA
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Here you go.  |
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Joined: 29/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 301 Location: Sheffield,
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How would the reverse pulse be triggered? |
Must build something |
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Joined: 15/11/2018(UTC) Posts: 431 Location: Uusimaa, Helsinki
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Mike's design is simpler and better than mine, there really was no need to finesse with the universal relay (except that they are great fun). |
- Martti M.
Era III analog & digital (Rocrail, CAN Digital Bahn, Gleisbox/MS2, K83/K84), C & M tracks, some Spur 1 |
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Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 783 Location: NEW JERSEY, USA
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Originally Posted by: scraigen  How would the reverse pulse be triggered? Turn the red knob to the left past zero. |
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Joined: 02/02/2017(UTC) Posts: 694 Location: England, South Coast
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The OP was asking for a solution for a one way station. trains running left to right.
Congratulations to Analoguemike for drawing the solution, I had chickened out!
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Joined: 25/08/2012(UTC) Posts: 250 Location: South East
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I have done this pretty much the way that Mike described. I used a single contact track to set both signals back to red - the one that is already red just stays the same. One problem will occur when a train has any sliders under the coaches or wagons. When the train stops these may not have yet passed over the contact track that triggers the other train. If this happens a train that is leaving can trigger the other train which will then crash into the side of it.
I use a couple of universal relays 7045 which are switched along with the signals. They are used to 'turn off' the contact track under the departing train (one for each loop) so that any slider that has not yet passed over the contact track doesn't cause the other train to be erroneously released. A further contact track on the approach to the station switches the relays back on. You only need the relays if you have lighted coaches or wagons in either of the trains.
It's great fun - loads of collisions while you are figuring out what connects to what...... |
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Joined: 02/02/2017(UTC) Posts: 694 Location: England, South Coast
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The art lies in working out the distance between the two contact tracks plus the orientation of the loco and the first illuminated carriage behind the loco.
The loco needs to go over the second contact track before the slider on the first coach passes over the first.
The first contact track is also isolating a section of track to stop the loco. This needs to be after the second contact track.
Well, that's about as clear as mud!
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Joined: 25/08/2012(UTC) Posts: 250 Location: South East
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Originally Posted by: Michael4 
Well, that's about as clear as mud!
Haha..... it's a lot easier to do than it is to write about eh Michael |
Marklin HO using M track. Now reverted to analogue as I find it has more character and is more fun...... and I understand it! |
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Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 783 Location: NEW JERSEY, USA
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My two cents; I don't use the 5146 reed switches any more. They are as useless as a windshield wiper on a billy goat's ass! They are evil. They know exactly when you leave the room. They always fail when I have visitors see the layout. The odds of them failing are directly proportional to the price of the train about to be wrecked. I do use them in tunnels for 1/2 sections after I cheerfully relieve them of all their moving parts, Much to the relief of the victims and families of many Preiserlings. The 5105 contact sections are 101% reliable but I don't use them either. I have incorporated several into my layout but they are not hooked up. I have nothing against automation but for me it becomes repetitive and predictable. I operate my layout all manually. I have run up to three trains at once and it can be quite exciting.
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Joined: 18/11/2020(UTC) Posts: 89 Location: Georgia, Ball Ground
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My opinion for what it is worth: (Trump is halting production of the penny, so now I want nickels and dimes) I agree with the fact that the 5146 and 5147 units are useless. they sometimes work, which is just not good enough. I have about 30 of each and they make great make-up sections where I need half tracks. I leave the moving parts in place, just don't hook them up. I am using the 5105 and 5104 contact tracks instead, old but reliable. I am however making sure that they are far enough away from signals so that a train will not stop on it. But then, I am lucky enough to have enough space to do that. Automation is great, but I do not just want to sit there and do nothing but look at it. I actually would like to push some buttons,so I will be about half automated, mostly on entry tracks for the stations. :) The great advantage of M track and wiring is that I can "split" the wire so I can push a button to overwrite the automation. Thanks, Tim
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Joined: 08/12/2021(UTC) Posts: 141 Location: California, Sonoma County
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Here is my 1 cent worth. I believe the copper in the penny is worth approx 3 cents now??
Here is what I have done to make the 5146 (metal-M track switching track) and 2199 (K track switching track) much, much more reliable on my layout. Half of my layout is K-track and the other half metal-M track. These switching tracks have worked well for years now.
1) You need a small screw driver, and a straightened paper clip that is bent 90 degrees at one end, so 1/8 inch is bent, looks like a long L shape. The screw driver is used to push down and bend the flat chrome metal that acts like a spring under the track (to bring itself back to position), and the L-shaped paper clip is used to pull and bend the chrome-colored flat metal back up (when the track is held upside down when working on it). So bend the metal to soften the springiness. All I am trying to do is to soften the springy nature of the contact metals underneath the track. They are way too strong and sometimes a light weight locomotive at slow speed gets stuck when the shoe moves over the plastic piece that jutts out of the track and actually causes the lok to stop because there is no power contact to the lok, the shoe is pushed up. You will need to adjust and further refine how well the pieces of metal move back so it does not cause a continuous power contact. When adjusted well, they will work well, should be very light to the touch with your finger to make electrical contact.
2) This is also important - I use 2 of these tracks connected together, so the second one is used for insurance if the first one misses in firing the electrical power contact. There is actually 1 spot on my layout, hard to reach, so I have 3 of these switching tracks connected together and wired together.
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Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 783 Location: NEW JERSEY, USA
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Originally Posted by: Bill L 
2) This is also important - I use 2 of these tracks connected together, so the second one is used for insurance if the first one misses in firing the electrical power contact. There is actually 1 spot on my layout, hard to reach, so I have 3 of these switching tracks connected together and wired together.
That's a great idea, Bill. Why didn't I think of that. I still won't use them. |
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Joined: 04/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 480 Location: USA
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I too abandoned M circuit tracks. They become unreliable over time. Tinkering with blade tension did not work well for me. Reed switches with glued magnet under train work better. Glueing the magnet is key as track metal is everywhere. In the end, i turned to ground contact tracks only. I use a mix of stock and making my own contact track. Ben |
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Joined: 07/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 198 Location: Lindome, Sweden
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Consider to use light gate or IR gates for detction, or the grounding contact tracks and let that control inputs to an arduino.
Using the contact track with that unreliable contact is difficult and even worse if you have some wagons with sliders. |
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