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Mjn2ts		#1 Posted : 30 January 2025 21:04:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/10/2021(UTC) Posts: 56 Location: Maine, Lewiston		I recently upgraded 2 analog steam locos with Marklin sound decoders (60975 and 60985) and both periodically play a coal dumping sound while they are running. I'm wondering if there is any way to turn that off because the 60985 decoder tends to get the sound stuck in a loop and just keeps playing it.. only way to get it to stop is to turn off the chuffing sound for a few minutes. Jeff Edited by user 06 February 2025 14:24:31(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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rhfil		#2 Posted : 31 January 2025 15:54:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/09/2014(UTC) Posts: 676 Location: NEW HAMPSHIRE, Somersworth		The chuffing sound is a mix of the sound functions and can be edited with a CS3 butt it appears to be complicated. Rick Sinclair of Marklin Dudes might be able to help you with that. He did a tutorial of changing the functions. Also if you are interested in making contact with other Marklin modelers in the area you might look into ETE-ENE. We have one member in Maine and two of us right on the border in Southern NH.

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JohnjeanB		#3 Posted : 31 January 2025 23:56:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,555 Location: Paris, France		Hi I find your question excellent. I have many Märklin sound locos that randomly emit out-of-context sounds (Grate Shaken -ashes removal) while the loco is in the station or on line duty). I must say I don't know the answer on factory-installed decoders. I suspect on very recent locos it becomes possible (not sure here). One thing I know for sure is that editing your own sounds using the mDecoderTool3 and Märklin sound library it is possible to edit (add or remove) random sounds. Sadly the mDecoderTool3 cannot be used to edit sounds on those factory-installed decoders. Because I use Rocrail, I have the possibility to command those sounds in the good context (Grate shaken only when the loco is above the ashpitt, smoke being stopped in tunnels or shadow stations, just some examples). So please find the answer to this question: how to edit random sounds on Märklin factory-installed decoders. Cheers Jean
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rhfil		#4 Posted : 01 February 2025 00:24:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/09/2014(UTC) Posts: 676 Location: NEW HAMPSHIRE, Somersworth		With the CS3 it is possible to create your own mix of sounds by selecting the sound and then deciding how often it comes up. You can replace a function you do not use and it appears that there are even unused functions. It appears to be extremely difficult. Factory Marklin decoders are protected by encryption and as yet no one has, to public knowledge, broken the encryption.

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bph		#5 Posted : 01 February 2025 19:55:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,155		Originally Posted by: Mjn2ts I recently upgraded 2 analog steam locos with Marklin sound decoders (60975 and 60985) and both periodically play a coal dumping sound while they are running. I'm wondering if there is any way to turn that off because the 60985 decoder tends to get the sound stuck in a loop and just keeps playing it.. only way to get it to stop is to turn off the chuffing sound for a few minutes. Jeff hi there seem to be some small "errors" in the 60985 and 60975 projects. (and the interval on the Schuettelrost is a bit short). When I opened the projects I noticed it contained incorrect values in sound parameters. (in mDecoderTool). note that it's possible that these incorrect settings might work with older decoder firmware versions and data structures. but it's quite strange. so it's possible that the decoder gets thrown off by these incorrect values. please note that these are just my observations, and I might be wrong about something. out of curiosity, I loaded the 60985 onto a decoder I currently have connected to my 60970, and when I used the mDecoderTool test tool I experienced the issue you described. after I corrected the incorrect value, it worked fine. (but a little bit too frequent for my taste, I often increase the duration values.) To turn off the random sounds, you can try changing the min and max random intervals. (cv 61 and 62) try to set them to 0. (The default min random interval is 30 and the max random interval is 50). and at your own risk of course. you might want to consider getting a 60971 (the mDecoderTool software is free but requires windows). but note that mDecoderTool in combination with 60971, can not change anything on a factory installed decoder, except updating the decoder firmware on the latest "mSD3" locomotives delivered from Märklin. but you can often install a more accurate and better project etc in the mSD3 decoders. a CS3 connected to a PC, can also be used to program decoders using mDecoderTool (without a 60971), but it's very slow and a bit sensitive to interruption. (takes approx 50 minutes). This I how I understand things, but I might have overlooked something or got something wrong etc as the Marklin documentation is very lacking. the 60975 project from Marklin opened in mDecoderTool: note the 1st value of Zufallssound 1 is 15, this is wrong. this should be 1 for ON, or 0 for off. and with that value configure sounds look like this: (Zufallssound 2 is correct and sound 6 is active as a random sound.) The 1st value of Zufallssound 1 should be changed to 1. when that is corrected the configure sounds settings are updated and sound 3 also becomes active as a random sound.. I don't know if these settings have cv values. The values of Zufallssound correspond to this: 1st number, 0 or 1 is simply ON or OFF. 2nd number is time, the Same value as in configure sounds but +1. if you change it in configure sounds the value in sound parameters will be updated. 3rd number is the sound slot number. note this is defined in the sound configuration file and the sound number seen in mDecoderTool might be different. ref above where Zufallssound 2 refer to 5, but in mDecoderTool and in the configure sound windows this is sound 6. but Zufallssound 1 is the same (3). 4rth number is the stopped running condition. 0 both. 1 standing only 2 running only. if you change it in configure sounds the value in sound parameters will be updated.

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rhfil		#6 Posted : 01 February 2025 20:22:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/09/2014(UTC) Posts: 676 Location: NEW HAMPSHIRE, Somersworth		Wow really interesting. And confirms my opinion that changing the chuff is really complicated. I come from very early computing when each bit is either on or off. A computer has always been a lot of on/off switches.

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Mjn2ts		#7 Posted : 01 February 2025 23:07:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/10/2021(UTC) Posts: 56 Location: Maine, Lewiston		Originally Posted by: bph Originally Posted by: Mjn2ts I recently upgraded 2 analog steam locos with Marklin sound decoders (60975 and 60985) and both periodically play a coal dumping sound while they are running. I'm wondering if there is any way to turn that off because the 60985 decoder tends to get the sound stuck in a loop and just keeps playing it.. only way to get it to stop is to turn off the chuffing sound for a few minutes. Jeff hi there seem to be some small "errors" in the 60985 and 60975 projects. (and the interval on the Schuettelrost is a bit short). When I opened the projects I noticed it contained incorrect values in sound parameters. (in mDecoderTool). note that it's possible that these incorrect settings might work with older decoder firmware versions and data structures. but it's quite strange. so it's possible that the decoder gets thrown off by these incorrect values. please note that these are just my observations, and I might be wrong about something. out of curiosity, I loaded the 60985 onto a decoder I currently have connected to my 60970, and when I used the mDecoderTool test tool I experienced the issue you described. after I corrected the incorrect value, it worked fine. (but a little bit too frequent for my taste, I often increase the duration values.) To turn off the random sounds, you can try changing the min and max random intervals. (cv 61 and 62) try to set them to 0. (The default min random interval is 30 and the max random interval is 50). and at your own risk of course. you might want to consider getting a 60971 (the mDecoderTool software is free but requires windows). but note that mDecoderTool in combination with 60971, can not change anything on a factory installed decoder, except updating the decoder firmware on the latest "mSD3" locomotives delivered from Märklin. but you can often install a more accurate and better project etc in the mSD3 decoders. a CS3 connected to a PC, can also be used to program decoders using mDecoderTool (without a 60971), but it's very slow and a bit sensitive to interruption. (takes approx 50 minutes). This I how I understand things, but I might have overlooked something or got something wrong etc as the Marklin documentation is very lacking. the 60975 project from Marklin opened in mDecoderTool: note the 1st value of Zufallssound 1 is 15, this is wrong. this should be 1 for ON, or 0 for off. and with that value configure sounds look like this: (Zufallssound 2 is correct and sound 6 is active as a random sound.) The 1st value of Zufallssound 1 should be changed to 1. when that is corrected the configure sounds settings are updated and sound 3 also becomes active as a random sound.. I don't know if these settings have cv values. The values of Zufallssound correspond to this: 1st number, 0 or 1 is simply ON or OFF. 2nd number is time, the Same value as in configure sounds but +1. if you change it in configure sounds the value in sound parameters will be updated. 3rd number is the sound slot number. note this is defined in the sound configuration file and the sound number seen in mDecoderTool might be different. ref above where Zufallssound 2 refer to 5, but in mDecoderTool and in the configure sound windows this is sound 6. but Zufallssound 1 is the same (3). 4rth number is the stopped running condition. 0 both. 1 standing only 2 running only. if you change it in configure sounds the value in sound parameters will be updated. Amazing research and info, thank you very much!! Gives me a direction to look in.

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rhfil		#8 Posted : 02 February 2025 00:22:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/09/2014(UTC) Posts: 676 Location: NEW HAMPSHIRE, Somersworth		So you could end the sound of the grates being shaken in station or stopped. That is amazing.

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Mjn2ts		#9 Posted : 02 February 2025 21:29:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/10/2021(UTC) Posts: 56 Location: Maine, Lewiston		Originally Posted by: rhfil So you could end the sound of the grates being shaken in station or stopped. That is amazing. Now I gotta get the wife to allow me to get a CS3 so I can hook it up to my computer... lol

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rhfil		#10 Posted : 03 February 2025 13:46:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/09/2014(UTC) Posts: 676 Location: NEW HAMPSHIRE, Somersworth		If you get a 60971 you don't need a CS3 though they are really great.

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Mjn2ts		#11 Posted : 03 February 2025 16:21:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/10/2021(UTC) Posts: 56 Location: Maine, Lewiston		Originally Posted by: rhfil If you get a 60971 you don't need a CS3 though they are really great. Thought about it but the 60985 doesn’t have a removable board so I’d have to find and wire a plug to the board in the loco. A CS3 is in the future anyway.


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bph		#12 Posted : 03 February 2025 21:56:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,155		Originally Posted by: Mjn2ts Originally Posted by: rhfil If you get a 60971 you don't need a CS3 though they are really great. Thought about it but the 60985 doesn’t have a removable board so I’d have to find and wire a plug to the board in the loco. A CS3 is in the future anyway. you can wire up the 60985 to the 60971 using the screw terminals, ref the manual.

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bph		#13 Posted : 04 February 2025 23:29:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1,155		Originally Posted by: rhfil Wow really interesting. And confirms my opinion that changing the chuff is really complicated. I come from very early computing when each bit is either on or off. A computer has always been a lot of on/off switches. Unfortunately, the Marklin decoder manual is lacking regarding the chuff settings. But they did have an article in the Insider magazine about chuff synchronising to wheel rotation, but that information should be in the manual (like ESU has), and not hidden away in the Insider magazine. And e.g. more chuff settings are available in mDecoderTool only, under Sound selection and Running Sounds, and the options available also vary slightly depending on how old/new the project is. The settings under Running Sounds are not available as CV and are only transferred to the decoder together with the sound files. (settings only programming option does not include those) However, some "useful" settings under Running Sounds are options to adjust the volume balance of chuffs during normal running vs acceleration and deacceleration. And adjust the volume of steam "hissing" while standing still. (The last setting is only available in newer projects).

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Kiko		#14 Posted : 05 February 2025 05:44:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/02/2017(UTC) Posts: 159 Location: Ottawa, ON		Originally Posted by: Mjn2ts I recently upgraded 2 analog steam locos with Marklin sound decoders Hello Jeff, Just a small comment -- can you change the title from "affects" to "effects". It'll make it easier to find the topic with the correct spelling, when doing a "search". Thanks,
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Mjn2ts		#15 Posted : 06 February 2025 08:45:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/10/2021(UTC) Posts: 56 Location: Maine, Lewiston		Originally Posted by: Kiko Originally Posted by: Mjn2ts I recently upgraded 2 analog steam locos with Marklin sound decoders Hello Jeff, Just a small comment -- can you change the title from "affects" to "effects". It'll make it easier to find the topic with the correct spelling, when doing a "search". Thanks, Oh good the grammar police are here ... If I knew how to update it I would...

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marklinist5999		#16 Posted : 06 February 2025 12:45:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,882 Location: Michigan, Troy		You can change any text if a white box shows in the settings menus for it without ared X or a not available note.

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Mjn2ts		#17 Posted : 13 March 2025 21:45:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/10/2021(UTC) Posts: 56 Location: Maine, Lewiston		Originally Posted by: bph Originally Posted by: Mjn2ts I recently upgraded 2 analog steam locos with Marklin sound decoders (60975 and 60985) and both periodically play a coal dumping sound while they are running. I'm wondering if there is any way to turn that off because the 60985 decoder tends to get the sound stuck in a loop and just keeps playing it.. only way to get it to stop is to turn off the chuffing sound for a few minutes. Jeff hi there seem to be some small "errors" in the 60985 and 60975 projects. (and the interval on the Schuettelrost is a bit short). When I opened the projects I noticed it contained incorrect values in sound parameters. (in mDecoderTool). note that it's possible that these incorrect settings might work with older decoder firmware versions and data structures. but it's quite strange. so it's possible that the decoder gets thrown off by these incorrect values. please note that these are just my observations, and I might be wrong about something. out of curiosity, I loaded the 60985 onto a decoder I currently have connected to my 60970, and when I used the mDecoderTool test tool I experienced the issue you described. after I corrected the incorrect value, it worked fine. (but a little bit too frequent for my taste, I often increase the duration values.) To turn off the random sounds, you can try changing the min and max random intervals. (cv 61 and 62) try to set them to 0. (The default min random interval is 30 and the max random interval is 50). and at your own risk of course. you might want to consider getting a 60971 (the mDecoderTool software is free but requires windows). but note that mDecoderTool in combination with 60971, can not change anything on a factory installed decoder, except updating the decoder firmware on the latest "mSD3" locomotives delivered from Märklin. but you can often install a more accurate and better project etc in the mSD3 decoders. a CS3 connected to a PC, can also be used to program decoders using mDecoderTool (without a 60971), but it's very slow and a bit sensitive to interruption. (takes approx 50 minutes). This I how I understand things, but I might have overlooked something or got something wrong etc as the Marklin documentation is very lacking. the 60975 project from Marklin opened in mDecoderTool: note the 1st value of Zufallssound 1 is 15, this is wrong. this should be 1 for ON, or 0 for off. and with that value configure sounds look like this: (Zufallssound 2 is correct and sound 6 is active as a random sound.) The 1st value of Zufallssound 1 should be changed to 1. when that is corrected the configure sounds settings are updated and sound 3 also becomes active as a random sound.. I don't know if these settings have cv values. The values of Zufallssound correspond to this: 1st number, 0 or 1 is simply ON or OFF. 2nd number is time, the Same value as in configure sounds but +1. if you change it in configure sounds the value in sound parameters will be updated. 3rd number is the sound slot number. note this is defined in the sound configuration file and the sound number seen in mDecoderTool might be different. ref above where Zufallssound 2 refer to 5, but in mDecoderTool and in the configure sound windows this is sound 6. but Zufallssound 1 is the same (3). 4rth number is the stopped running condition. 0 both. 1 standing only 2 running only. if you change it in configure sounds the value in sound parameters will be updated. I finally got the programmer and was able to solve my excessive coal loading issue thanks to your advice. Thanks Again!!

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xxup		#18 Posted : 13 March 2025 22:26:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,588 Location: Australia		I have had the marklin decoder programmer for many years and despite the very poor documentation, it is a very good tool for the upgrade Marklin decoders. It is useful for the factory decoders in that it can read the settings and confirm that the decoder works correctly. When you upgrade a loco, try to get the decoder set with the plug-in decoder as it is much easier to upgrade (there are sometimes firmware upgrades for the decoder itself) and alter settings. The screw terminals on the programmer work okay, but it is a pain to remove those decoders from the loco. The other thing that is useful is the decoder tester ( see https://www.maerklin.de/...ts/details/article/60970 ) - it works on just about any decoder from any manufacturer. It is a little better than the ESU one (I also have one of these) in that you can plug in a Gauge 1 decoder. You can connect this to the decoder programmer, but it can be tricky aligning this big thing with a USB port on a laptop without using an extension cable.
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