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Offline Goofy  
#1 Posted : 14 September 2024 13:34:28(UTC)
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I have two ESU n-wagons and need information how to remove wheel bogie. This to borr drill a hole for the wire from the pickup shoe. Anyone who know how to remove wheel bogei?
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Offline Goofy  
#2 Posted : 15 September 2024 12:49:05(UTC)
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Confused who knows how to remove wheel bogie? Confused
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Offline David Dewar  
#3 Posted : 15 September 2024 15:46:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Confused who knows how to remove wheel bogie? Confused


Maybe try an ESU forum.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Offline Goofy  
#4 Posted : 17 September 2024 20:41:56(UTC)
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I did found out two more problems with the ESU wagons.
1. Märklin short couple make wagons derails in the curves, pressing buffer.
Did tested Roco and it fits better.
2. ESU NEM couple pocket does not make couples sits properly, it pulls away easily.

I decides to sell ESU wagons and buy Märklin instead.
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Offline applor  
#5 Posted : 18 September 2024 01:28:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
I did found out two more problems with the ESU wagons.
1. Märklin short couple make wagons derails in the curves, pressing buffer.
Did tested Roco and it fits better.




This is standard across all manufacturers with correct buffer heights, not just ESU. This is because Marklin made their wagons with too high buffers so their close couplers don't foul the buffers.

Marklin are now making buffers at the correct height on some models and have released a revised version of their close coupler that does not foul the buffers, item 72010 (x10) or 72025 (x10) for current conducting version.
modelling era IIIa (1951-1955) Germany
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Offline Goofy  
#6 Posted : 18 September 2024 17:26:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: applor Go to Quoted Post

This is standard across all manufacturers with correct buffer heights, not just ESU. This is because Marklin made their wagons with too high buffers so their close couplers don't foul the buffers.

Marklin are now making buffers at the correct height on some models and have released a revised version of their close coupler that does not foul the buffers, item 72010 (x10) or 72025 (x10) for current conducting version.


What are you writing about?
I did wrote ESU wagons and not Märklin.
I do notice here too that Roco are 2 mm longer in the length of the short couple than Märklin.
Notice here that i did tested on the curve R2.

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Offline franciscohg  
#7 Posted : 18 September 2024 19:46:50(UTC)
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Before selling them, try with Fleischmann profi. They are my favorites now, solved many problems
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Offline Goofy  
#8 Posted : 19 September 2024 13:56:11(UTC)
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Before selling them, try with Fleischmann profi. They are my favorites now, solved many problems
Regards


I was planned to use Märklin power short couple to feed other lightings in the ESU wagons. My plan did fail.
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Offline Copenhagen  
#9 Posted : 19 September 2024 23:20:51(UTC)
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Strange coincidence. On a Danish model train forum a Swedish guy recently asked the exact same question. When somebody offered to help (even answering in Swedish) by asking in an official ESU forum, that isn't open to everyone, the Swedish guy took offense and started attacking the one offering assistance.
This resulted in a moderator giving a month long forum ban and a locked thread.
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Offline Goofy  
#10 Posted : 20 September 2024 05:28:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Copenhagen Go to Quoted Post
Strange coincidence. On a Danish model train forum a Swedish guy recently asked the exact same question. When somebody offered to help (even answering in Swedish) by asking in an official ESU forum, that isn't open to everyone, the Swedish guy took offense and started attacking the one offering assistance.
This resulted in a moderator giving a month long forum ban and a locked thread.


And i did read that the person from Netherland named Gert did not support by answer in the forum how to help.
That was attack against a member who did asked after help.
Strange by confuse support if the member who did know how to solve problem with the ESU wagons.
However i do not support if members start provoce by not support answer by help.
I did found other do have same problem by use ESU n-wagons.
Why is it so complicate by use ESU products?
Even ESU locomotive are difficult in service.
Next time i use Märklin products.

Cool

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Offline Copenhagen  
#11 Posted : 20 September 2024 15:57:29(UTC)
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This is from the thread in the Danish forum:

Gert (in his first answer to the question):
Can you give the cart's catalog number?
Then I will ask you the question on the ESU forum.
with kind regards, Gert

Swede:
What do you mean?
All n-wagons have the same wheel bogie and functional
What does the ESU forum have to do with "sporskiftet"? [the Danish name of the site translates to The Turnout)]
I asked a question and requested help here in "sporskiftet".

Gert:
You are asking a specific question about an ESU model, right? That brand has its own forum, but you can only become a member if you register an Ecos system. I am a member there and offered to ask the question there. Based on your answer, you are not interested in it.

Swede:
Whoah???
What does the ESU system have to do with it?
I wrote about the ESU wagon and nothing else.
There are members here in the Turnout forum who also drive ESU locomotives and wagons.
That's why I asked a question for help.
What do you do then?
You start arguing and provoking about the ESU forum.
Now I am sorry and disappointed that you are provoking the fight.


Another forum member replies in the thread:
Gert, he has already asked on the ESU forum, in his usual provocative style. I'm not sure if there is anyone on the ESU forum who cares to answer him.
.....

I used google translate from Swedish to English and did some minor corrections.

Edited by user 20 September 2024 20:37:29(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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Offline MU5T4N6  
#12 Posted : 20 September 2024 23:17:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Copenhagen Go to Quoted Post
but you can only become a member if you register an Ecos system


Off-topic, but that's not even true :D Anyone can register as a user in the ESU Forum. I used to be a member until they kicked me out after I questioned their practice of selling the user e-mail addresses to data-brokers.

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Offline Goofy  
#13 Posted : 28 September 2024 07:14:54(UTC)
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Found one to the disadvantage of ESU wagons.
Wheel axles rest on metal bogies, the inside of which can impair contact with the lighting if the wheel axles are to be oiled.

Huh
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Offline Copenhagen  
#14 Posted : 28 September 2024 09:55:06(UTC)
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So conductivity would be better if the bogies were made af plastic?
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Offline Goofy  
#15 Posted : 28 September 2024 16:42:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Copenhagen Go to Quoted Post
So conductivity would be better if the bogies were made af plastic?


What the h***!?
All bogies are made of plastic.
Do you even understand that there are metal pieces back inside of the bogies which wheel axles lays on?
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Offline Copenhagen  
#16 Posted : 28 September 2024 18:20:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Copenhagen Go to Quoted Post
So conductivity would be better if the bogies were made af plastic?


What the h***!?
All bogies are made of plastic.
Do you even understand that there are metal pieces back inside of the bogies which wheel axles lays on?


My point is; what if there were no metal parts in the bogies? Would that make your project better or easier?

Edit: the fun part is what you wrote yourself:
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Found one to the disadvantage of ESU wagons.
Wheel axles rest on metal bogies, the inside of which can impair contact with the lighting if the wheel axles are to be oiled.

Huh

Wheel axles rest on metal bogies... BigGrin


(Besides that I'm not even sure that ordinary oil would prevent conductivity in this case? Others may have an experience about that).

Edited by user 28 September 2024 22:07:03(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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Offline Copenhagen  
#17 Posted : 28 September 2024 23:48:55(UTC)
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Another edit to the above: Maerklin doesn't rely on using the bogies for ground connection for coach lighting anyhow. Like shown in this link:
https://www.maerklin.de/...ts/details/article/73404
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Offline hxmiesa  
#18 Posted : 30 September 2024 14:29:19(UTC)
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Those swedes!!! Tsk, tsk, tsk... ;-)
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Offline franciscohg  
#19 Posted : 02 October 2024 03:34:45(UTC)
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Hello
I have a number of coaches with that kind of contact, to stay on the safe side i use Lux conductive oil for lubricating, never had troubles.
The set is stored for a while now, but IIRC this same kind of contacts are used by Marklin in the new Edelweiss set.
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Offline Copenhagen  
#20 Posted : 02 October 2024 10:04:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: franciscohg Go to Quoted Post
Hello
I have a number of coaches with that kind of contact, to stay on the safe side i use Lux conductive oil for lubricating, never had troubles.
The set is stored for a while now, but IIRC this same kind of contacts are used by Marklin in the new Edelweiss set.
regards


I looked at the manual for the Edelweiss set. But it doesn't say anything about oiling there. The recommendation about oiling before using for the first time is usually printed on the box which I don't have access to.

Conductive oil is likely the ultimate best solution, but is it recommended officially or absolutely necessary? It's just me speculating. :-)
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