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Hi everybody: This week I bought this 3054, I actually bought it "Blindly" because the photos that the seller uploaded to the publication were not of the complete machine, but it had its manuals and its "Gepruff" label so it seemed little used, (in any case, if there was anything I didn't like, it could be returned). The surprise was not only the condition it was in but also the detail of the paint on the gray sides instead of silver, I had never seen one like that and searching on eBay I have not found any similar The box was printed in February 1970 and the manual is from a relabeled 3053, so I understand it is a "First Version". 
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I am not sure that the locomotive in question is a 3054. In 1971, the model had the standard 7218 pantographs and looked like this: https://www.maerklin-sam.../03054/03054_m_m_001.jpgThe model in your photo has single arm pantographs which have only been on Maerklin models since the 1980s. It also appears to be a model of the longer version of the BR103 The shell seems to match Trix 22779 from 2013 except that the model had the old scissor pantographs and according to the manual had the lok number 103 109-5 The locomotive numbers are printed on the chassis and not on the shell, so swapping the shell would leave the original 103 117 as the lok number From what I understand, the locomotive 103 109-5 was the only 103 to have the grey painted side with the arrows Maerklin had a 103 109 but it had a red skirt and did not have the grey painted sides Regards Mike C
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Hi Mike: The case is a 3054 but not from early 70. I'll continue finding information. Regards 
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Hello, first: the design is unique to 103 109, as seen on this photo: http://www.bahnbilder.de...stuttgart-hbf-572057.jpg103 113 has never existed with silver paint around the ventilators. second: Märklin produced a model of 103 109 on the old base (3054/3354...), the 3357 in early 90's, for one year it was sold as 3657, too - but it was without the silver paint. Based on the new 103 model base, a Trix H0 model of 103 109 has been proposed some ten years ago but I did not find a corresponding Märklin model. So, your loco has been repainted - but it's well done, so far as I can say from your photo. It's clearly on the ancient 103 base which was a little bit shorter than scale (you see the couplers), but if it's a 3054 or a 3354, I do not know, the difference is the electronic inverter in 3354. Quote:The box was printed in February 1970 and the manual is from a relabeled 3053, so I understand it is a "First Version". Since you may not be sure that this is really the box the loco was sold in, and the manual given with the loco, who knows ? Quote:In 1971, the model had the standard 7218 pantographs and looked like this: That's right - but the single arm pantographs were available as spare parts, and many owners changed the pantographs when the DB changed them on it's locomotives in the mid 70's. So in 1984 these three 103 all have single arm pantographs. https://commons.wikimedi...emelingen.jpg?uselang=enAnd there is no problem to remount standard pantographs on the presented loco.
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I checked all the Marklin E103 database and other special item find nothing.
Possible repaint to high standard? |
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I have seen that arrow gray paint scheme in my catalogs. I'll look through them and tell you which year it is in. Maybe it was a dealer initiative item, or a toy fair model.
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I found it but it is trix version 22779/32279 with metal body with fine details from 2003 (same as 39579 etc). |
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Originally Posted by: steventrain  I found it but it is trix version 22779/32279 with metal body with fine details from 2003 (same as 39579 etc). it's a plastic body.
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Slightly off topic...
If 3054 does not have a central internal light (just the casting there to fit one), what is the number of the version that does?
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Originally Posted by: Michael4 Slightly off topic...
If 3054 does not have a central internal light (just the casting there to fit one), what is the number of the version that does? It is the 3053 chassis, and 3053 hat the machine room light. I have read that initially the DB asked to keep lightened the machine room light just for the beauty, but quickly they stopped.
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 Originally Posted by: Michael4 Slightly off topic...
If 3054 does not have a central internal light (just the casting there to fit one), what is the number of the version that does?
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It wasn't in my catalogues after all, but shown on a layout in a Marklin Magazin issue from 1994. No info. on it.
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The recent model that popped into my mind was actually a release from Roco a few years ago of the 103 109 to go with the 8 coach TEE "Roland" set https://www.roco.cc/rde/...motive-103-109-5-db.htmlI know that I had associated the model with a coach set, but it did not immediately click as to which one because Roco had announced a Re 4/4II TEE with the same set and the DB locomotive did not run into Switzerland (past Basel) AFAIK, a model with the grey sides has only been made by Lima, Trix and Roco. Regards Mike C
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 I have seen that arrow gray paint scheme in my catalogs. I'll look through them and tell you which year it is in. Maybe it was a dealer initiative item, or a toy fair model. I agree with you, it has to be some special order from the factory, but even so the casing has been replaced with a higher version, the roof walkways are silver, in version 1 are beige, and different Pantograph. The body is Marklin (not Roco, Trix or Lima) without a doubt.
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I asked the seller to find out a little about the history of the machine and he told me that he acquired it on eBay about eight years ago from a German seller.
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Originally Posted by: steventrain I checked all the Marklin E103 database and other special item find nothing.
Possible repaint to high standard? Could be, like a 103-109.5 
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103 109 was one of the original 103.1 locomotives. It was delivered from the factory with the grey arrow design on the side vents. The locomotive only existed in this appearance until it's first revision. https://static.maerklin....5f4b6778a91434534672.jpgA Trix model was released in 2013 and was in the 2013/2014 Trix catalog. It was also available for Trix Express (3 Rail DC) as 32779. That model, unlike the 3054 was one of the models where the screws had been moved from the roof to the chassis, so it was not compatible for a shell swap. Other models of this locomotive in this livery came from Lima and Roco: Lima 208352 (DC) Roco (70212DC/70213DCCS/78212ACS) 2021 As far as I could determine, there never was a Maerklin model, be it a regular or Sondermodell other than the version in the IC79 livery with red chassis and by that point in time, the side vents had been repainted in the normal livery for years. I have been unable to find any proof that Maerklin ever released an official model of the 103 109 in that appearance. The Maerklin Magazine cited by one member may offer some clue. I could not find any indication of such a model in my early 90s dealer catalog, but I will keep looking. Regards Mike C
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Originally Posted by: mike c 103 109 was one of the original 103.1 locomotives. It was delivered from the factory with the grey arrow design on the side vents.
As far as I could determine, there never was a Maerklin model, be it a regular or Sondermodell other than the version in the IC79 livery with red chassis and by that point in time And that is correct. But: the 103 109 did appear in a catalogue. The brilliant, but fake Märkronomicon. https://www.stummiforum....-Buch-M-rkronomicon.htmlAnd here's the picture. https://www.dropbox.com/...yxrabqbao0nvyuagd16bvnchThe regular 3054 models that märklin made are in my collection. First version, Delivered early1971 Painted red stripes and beige steps on the roof.  Version 2 with red stripes as decal and silver steps. 1971  1974 with red logo on the sides.  And then there are two versions that never appeared in the catalogues. These are version 1 and 2 with the 3053 frame that has been partially repainted and restamped with the new number 103 113-7 and a DB logo. These still have machineroom lighting fitted, but no bulb or elecrics fittet to it.   Boxes: First version:   Also first version:   Manuals:  Box from 1974   Latest box from the eighties.  Bart |
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II bought mine, quite a while ago (actually 40+ years ago). It was part of a set 2852, electric loc BR 103 with 3 cars. Here are some current pictures. This is the model, that I own. See how the pantographs are the full size.  A pic of the full set:  And finally two pics, while it is running. Notice that the pantographs are extended, AND are used to move the train. Thus allowing the "usual" use of the pegs to have full power, so the cars are fully lighted, independently of the running train. OR: one can use the catenary for one train and allow a second train running on the pegs. That was the old trick, before the digital kicked in.  
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FWIW: I forgot to mention - in case it's unknown -
Not all locs with pantographs can. operate on a catenary system.
IF they are, there is a swich at the bottom, allowing to be switched between catenary or peg operation.
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Originally Posted by: hermanvk FWIW: I forgot to mention - in case it's unknown -
Not all locs with pantographs can. operate on a catenary system.
IF they are, there is a swich at the bottom, allowing to be switched between catenary or peg operation. This is not necessarily the case. Many locomotives, starting in the early 2000s had a jumper pin on the pc board to select power source (catenary vs slider or catenary vs rail) instead of the switch that could be flipped without removing the shell. More recently, with the new generation of decoders and the introduction of mechanically functional pantographs, the leads that would connect the pantographs to the circuit have been removed, leaving the pantographs as purely decorative. Regards Mike C
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Originally Posted by: mike c Originally Posted by: hermanvk FWIW: I forgot to mention - in case it's unknown -
Not all locs with pantographs can. operate on a catenary system.
IF they are, there is a swich at the bottom, allowing to be switched between catenary or peg operation. This is not necessarily the case. Many locomotives, starting in the early 2000s had a jumper pin on the pc board to select power source (catenary vs slider or catenary vs rail) instead of the switch that could be flipped without removing the shell. More recently, with the new generation of decoders and the introduction of mechanically functional pantographs, the leads that would connect the pantographs to the circuit have been removed, leaving the pantographs as purely decorative. Regards Mike C You might have noticed, that I was referring to the older Märklin locs, let alone digital ones....
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Originally Posted by: smurfillo
I agree with you, it has to be some special order from the factory, but even so the casing has been replaced with a higher version, the roof walkways are silver, in version 1 are beige, and different Pantograph.
The body is Marklin (not Roco, Trix or Lima) without a doubt.
This appears to be a private repaint job that someone wanted to do, and the pantographs have been replaced. Generally speaking, there are no extremely rare versions that are unknown and do not appear in bona fide collector's catalogues. I don't think that was done at the Märklin factory. This loco is simply a fake that was sold on Ebay some years ago, and the guy who sold it to you has to take it back because he did not advertise it as a fake. |
Best regards, Mark
I like Märklin items produced in the 1960s or early '70s, but also digital locos & current rolling stock. |
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Just noticed there is an original 3054 boxed and unused in the Vickers Auction, interesting coincidence.
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