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Offline fabstar68  
#1 Posted : 18 June 2024 22:35:07(UTC)
fabstar68

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hi all,

i just got myself a piko 55913 loco, with automatic coupling functions. i have a marklin startup digital set, and as expected there is no couplers compatibility between the piko locomotive and the marklin loco & cars that came with the set. i have tried to read the forum about couplers, i got an idea but i greatly need advice here....what shoud i do ? probably it's best to change the marklin couplers, because i don't want to mess with the delicate automatic couplers of the piko loco... but what should i buy ? i have seen that the piko 56030 couplers "seem" to be the same as the ones in the piko 55913 loco, but i'm not sure, and i don't know if they can be mounted on a marklin digital startup set....

any hints ? thank you

Fab

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Offline JohnjeanB  
#2 Posted : 18 June 2024 23:08:37(UTC)
JohnjeanB

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Location: Paris, France
Hi Fab
Most Märklin recent locos and cars have an NEM 361 pocket. This is a standard European interface for couplers and many other model train producers use them.
So in theory you may slide any standard coupler into those pockets
Märklin provides "Relex" couplings Ref is 72060 and chances are they are compatible with these former "Buckle" couplings as older Märklin cars and locos
Cheers
Jean
Offline fabstar68  
#3 Posted : 19 June 2024 08:19:13(UTC)
fabstar68

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hi and thanks for your reply as usual,

they really don't seem to fit. i attach the pictures of the couplers, maybe that will help in understanding the matter and, moreover, what to do to solve it. the first 2 pics are the marklin car couplers, the other two are the piki loco electric couplers





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Offline JohnjeanB  
#4 Posted : 19 June 2024 10:27:46(UTC)
JohnjeanB

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Hi Fab
I have no Piko loco but I know Märklin since the 60s.
From what I see your Piko loco is fitted with traditional Märklin coupling (the one used by Märklin from 1938 and 1988 and in this case with a solenoid-operated collapsing hook.
So all recent Märklin cars / Wagons made of plastic have 2 types:
- one with elongation mechanism and an NEM pocket --> replacement to old-style coupling is 72060 (an assortment of 10 couplings)
- the others with a fixed coupling vertical axle --> replacement to old-style coupling is 7205 (an assortment of 10 couplings for locos and 40 for cars)

Note: the KK coupling you show seems to have been modified

Here is a KK coupling (all identical but this one for old-style Märklin locos)
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There is a little nose (circled in violett here) that you may bend a little to raise the buckle (one or 2 mm). Sometimes it helps getting a nice coupling with old-style Märklin couplers
After all the Marklin KK was designed to be compatible with the previous Märklin couplings (called Relex)

Relex coupling: here is one with a fitting for NEM 361 pockets
Sans titre.png
Cheers
Jean
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Offline fabstar68  
#5 Posted : 19 June 2024 11:24:47(UTC)
fabstar68

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Location: Milan
great,

so, in the end, your suggestion is to get both the 72060 and the 7205, and see if they couple with the piko loco , keeping into account all the other considerations that you made ?
Offline JohnjeanB  
#6 Posted : 19 June 2024 13:30:27(UTC)
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