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 Joined: 23/11/2008(UTC) Posts: 225 Location: Herning in Denmark
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It is done and the 2.5.2. is installed A Roco LItra MA ( DSB ) had been on the track and tried to change the bracking length ( because it's nearly running through the brakemoduls settings ). It's is refitted with a ESU Loksound 5 with "noice" from the Danish DLS ( which worked perfect with the former 2.4.x ). It was tried to be done on our CS3+, the normale way by calling the locomotive forward by the app. I tried to reset and the only thing, what's happened, was that the decord reloaded and the decord was reset the firmware and all the noices had vanished and reset of the loc. was finished. Do others have the same experience ? Some said it had to be done in DCC ..... Edited by user 15 March 2024 11:21:25(UTC)
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Jørgen St. from Herning in DK
H0 / Märklin K track / CS3+ / full digital / Epoke III +/- |
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 Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,564 Location: Paris, France
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Hi Jorgen Here a CS3 v2.5.2 user from France with one loco with ESU LokSound5 mini, using MFX (M4) protocol. All my other locos are with Märklin MFX Sound decoders I may be wrong of course but here is what I think: - I believe ESU decoders cannot use all the MFX programming tools designed for Märklin decoders - it is advised to program all CVs using DCC mode - having no ESU sound programmer I didn't dare to reset the loco BUT on Märklin mSD3 (Sound decoders) making a reset does not clear the sound files and this makes sense as you cannot revert to any "factory" database (too much space wasted). So my guess is your Sound files have not disappeared but are not refered to anymore (fonction key, etc) Here is my only loco with an ESU LokSound5 mini I hope this helps Cheers Jean |
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Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC)
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If you use Ecos 50210/50220 you can use M4 protocol without problem.
I believe it is Märklin who did upgrade wrong about third parts mfx/M4 protocol into CS3 system software. |
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DCC = Digital Command Control
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 Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 981 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm
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The feeling I get is that CS3 is working in the background of searching decoder environment and suddenly it hits STOP. One scenario is if you have an engine with 5 decoders on the layout and you close editing on M mfx/mSD decoder, it suddenly goes into stops after half minutes. It’s unstable… It would be a good idea for M to pick up the phone and call ESU (in their language) so the mfx standard doesn't take different paths  off topic.... There should be a requirement for a decoder standard in general, so manufacturers must support each other with applications that can read and update decoders through different devices. Here a good example of minimum requirement that can write and reade Zimo cv settings https://www.beathis.ch/zcs/index.html when M mDT3 application doesn't manage to read their own decoders still until this day  a little upstreams should be appreciated from all type of mfx decoder also with CS2/CS3, and USB-pin Programmer should read out older mfx decoder....  Totally pointless with all these different decoder readers, except making money  |
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Joined: 23/11/2008(UTC) Posts: 225 Location: Herning in Denmark
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Before this post, I also asked on the Danish forum - Baneforum - and here there was not much to get, other than that I could have told myself, when I mix the things like this (CS3 and not Märklin decoder)
One would have changed CS3 to DCC in advance
Another could only state that the fault did not lie with Märklin / CS3
I know someone with an ECOS, so it will have to be tried to see if it won't save the misery
I also have a USB stick with the method to get 2.4.x back on it, so I'll have to brave that !
Any idea if it will bring my good old CS3 back to good shape??? |
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Jørgen St. from Herning in DK
H0 / Märklin K track / CS3+ / full digital / Epoke III +/- |
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Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bygger01  I also have a USB stick with the method to get 2.4.x back on it, so I'll have to brave that !
Any idea if it will bring my good old CS3 back to good shape??? I had to go back to 2.4.x because of this problem and now the CS 3+ works again with my LokSound 5 XL decoder  |
Pål Paulsen
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Joined: 23/11/2008(UTC) Posts: 225 Location: Herning in Denmark
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Was it easy and with out problems ?
Did followed the recipe from Märklin ?
What updates made in 2.5.x gone ? |
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Jørgen St. from Herning in DK
H0 / Märklin K track / CS3+ / full digital / Epoke III +/- |
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Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 981 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm
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it start with 2.5.1, then they realised beta 2.5.2(0) and nothing change, and the final 2.5.2(6) with the same issues....  ESU spread the information on their forum that 5 decoder wasn't the issues, after a while they also publish M information of next released 2.5.2(6) will solved the issues. |
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Originally Posted by: bygger01 Was it easy and with out problems ? Yes it was. No problems |
Pål Paulsen
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 Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,480 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot
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Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm It would be a good idea for M to pick up the phone and call ESU (in their language) so the mfx standard doesn't take different paths That is never going to happen, after the bad blood from the original cs1/ms1 fiasco that ESU were making for Marklin, and resulted in the relationship going very bad.
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 Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,909 Location: Michigan, Troy
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Yes, and that was under the old Marklin management. I'm not sure if Dr. Tom Catheral was involved, but he is deceased as well. So I never say never to anything being possible.
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What about to test Märklin locomotive by use DCC protocol in the CS3?
How does it works now with latest upgraded version? |
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DCC = Digital Command Control
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Joined: 23/11/2008(UTC) Posts: 225 Location: Herning in Denmark
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Originally Posted by: Goofy What about to test Märklin locomotive by use DCC protocol in the CS3?
How does it works now with latest upgraded version? It has also been suggested to me on Baneforum, but that was after my attempt with the locomotive from Roco! Do you know how to get in that way on a CS3? |
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Jørgen St. from Herning in DK
H0 / Märklin K track / CS3+ / full digital / Epoke III +/- |
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Joined: 23/04/2019(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bygger01 Originally Posted by: Goofy What about to test Märklin locomotive by use DCC protocol in the CS3?
How does it works now with latest upgraded version? It has also been suggested to me on Baneforum, but that was after my attempt with the locomotive from Roco! Do you know how to get in that way on a CS3? I believe it can be done by deleting the mfx version of the locomotive in CS3 and then turn off all other protocols than DCC in the CS3 setting. Then you can set up programming the locomotive in DCC, and turn off mfx in the CV 50 on the locomotive so that it only reacts to DCC. Maybe it is value 4 in CV 50 (but look in the manual of the locomotive first). When it is then all set up with an appropriate address (other than 3) you can turn on all the other protocol settings in the CS3. Hope it is explained correctly (use the programming track). (Deleting the mfx version of the locomotive is not mandatory but practical).
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Originally Posted by: Copenhagen Originally Posted by: bygger01 Originally Posted by: Goofy What about to test Märklin locomotive by use DCC protocol in the CS3?
How does it works now with latest upgraded version? It has also been suggested to me on Baneforum, but that was after my attempt with the locomotive from Roco! Do you know how to get in that way on a CS3? I believe it can be done by deleting the mfx version of the locomotive in CS3 and then turn off all other protocols than DCC in the CS3 setting. Then you can set up programming the locomotive in DCC, and turn off mfx in the CV 50 on the locomotive so that it only reacts to DCC. Maybe it is value 4 in CV 50 (but look in the manual of the locomotive first). When it is then all set up with an appropriate address (other than 3) you can turn on all the other protocol settings in the CS3. Hope it is explained correctly (use the programming track). (Deleting the mfx version of the locomotive is not mandatory but practical). You can write 0 in the CV 50 so that it only work DCC when the system are set at DCC protocol only. |
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DCC = Digital Command Control
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Joined: 23/11/2008(UTC) Posts: 225 Location: Herning in Denmark
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With your good input, I get more and more courage to try on my CS3 with DCC + the Roco locomotive.
I have already written to a local Märklin man about whether we should do it together.
I have suggested to him, that we start with DCC & the locomotive and see what it brings (I know one with ECOS, so it is in reserve).
If it goes well and the braking distance is reduced + possibly the sounds reappear then maybe we'll be brave enough to push my CS3 back to 2.4.x, where all was well.
It will be exciting, what we will be missing from the new update!
So when there is new information, there will be informations.
But thanks for your advice |
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Jørgen St. from Herning in DK
H0 / Märklin K track / CS3+ / full digital / Epoke III +/- |
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 Joined: 27/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 297 Location: Santiago
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Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm it start with 2.5.1, then they realised beta 2.5.2(0) and nothing change, and the final 2.5.2(6) with the same issues.... ESU spread the information on their forum that 5 decoder wasn't the issues, after a while they also publish M information of next released 2.5.2(6) will solved the issues.[/quote Hello Jonas, I did the last upgrade to 2.5.2.(6) and I have no problems with my ESU V5. I am able to call the locomotive set up and get no more loop in the reading. I have been able to change speed, volume and access the decoder information. What still does not work is the mapping of functions, but this is an old problem already detected in any non Märklin mfx decoder. I did the test also with a V5 micro too and it worked good too. No more problems with the reading. Could it be something in the hardware version of your CS3? I use a CS3+ Regards Eduardo
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Joined: 23/11/2008(UTC) Posts: 225 Location: Herning in Denmark
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Mine is also a CS3+, and whether there is something in the hardware is probably not easy to find out!
I have also read on Stummis, that some had solved the problem with Loksound 5 by deleting the locomotive and reloading it, but it did not return the correct sounds/noises! |
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Jørgen St. from Herning in DK
H0 / Märklin K track / CS3+ / full digital / Epoke III +/- |
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Joined: 23/11/2008(UTC) Posts: 225 Location: Herning in Denmark
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So I've been working on the Roco machine again....
But this time via an IPad with editing of the locomotive went directly to various CV values, and now the braking distance is reduced / Hooray for that.
But the many special sounds are gone, but it must be tried on an ECOS! |
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Jørgen St. from Herning in DK
H0 / Märklin K track / CS3+ / full digital / Epoke III +/- |
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Joined: 12/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 981 Location: Stockholm, Södermalm
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Only to wait until the next update when others report various odd issues in addition to 5 decoders on Stummis...
For large developmental changes, between long periods of time. |
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Joined: 23/11/2008(UTC) Posts: 225 Location: Herning in Denmark
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Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm Only to wait until the next update when others report various odd issues in addition to 5 decoders on Stummis...
For large developmental changes, between long periods of time. A reply with some more words, will help me ... |
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Jørgen St. from Herning in DK
H0 / Märklin K track / CS3+ / full digital / Epoke III +/- |
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Originally Posted by: bygger01 Mine is also a CS3+, and whether there is something in the hardware is probably not easy to find out!
I have also read on Stummis, that some had solved the problem with Loksound 5 by deleting the locomotive and reloading it, but it did not return the correct sounds/noises! I delete loksound 5 loco and reload on CS3+. It works fine. No problem.
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Originally Posted by: QQQ1970 I delete loksound 5 loco and reload on CS3+. It works fine. No problem. Can you edit the locomotive decoder too ? For example change the volume ? |
Pål Paulsen
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Originally Posted by: pa-pauls Originally Posted by: QQQ1970 I delete loksound 5 loco and reload on CS3+. It works fine. No problem. Can you edit the locomotive decoder too ? For example change the volume ? Yes
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