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I’m installing a ”train guard” (Fahrdienstleiter?) with movable arm. It’s a Viessmann 1513 and it will be located on a platform. However, now it comes to my mind that I don’t have a single clue on when nor how the train guard directed the trains on Swiss platforms? I couldn’t find any help on the net, and I don’t even know the name of this position in Switzerland?  Not a big thing, but fun!   |
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Not sure if this helps, but it does appear to be SBB  slightly different, but as you say "Fun" ! |
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Our fellow forum member Unholz kindly informed by PM as follows: ”Fahrdienstleiter is rather a modern word, but it is also in use in Switzerland nowadays. You might find more typical Swiss pictures with search terms such as:
- Bahnhofvorstand (station master)
- Abfertigungsbeamter (the guy responsible for the departure of the train, like your model)
- Abfertigungskelle (the signalling thing in his hand)”Searching the net, I noted that at least the red color of the hat was prototypical at some time. (There is a prototype for everything!) I should add a thin white stripe on the Abfertigungskelle, but I don’t want to hazard the mechanics… Now, I’m searching for a video clip that could help finding out the routine of the Abfertigungsbeamter at train departures: When does he raise the Abfertigungskelle? Does he blow the whistle? Etc.  |
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Originally Posted by: PeFu  Our fellow forum member Unholz kindly informed by PM as follows:
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Searching the net, I noted that at least the red color of the hat was prototypical at some time. (There is a prototype for everything!) I should add a thin white stripe on the Abfertigungskelle, but I don’t want to hazard the mechanics…
Now, I’m searching for a video clip that could help finding out the routine of the Abfertigungsbeamter at train departures: When does he raise the Abfertigungskelle? Does he blow the whistle?
If I remember correctly, the upper red part was kind of a (removable) coating that distinguished the "guy in charge" or the "chief Abfertigungsbeamter". As you can see in the first picture, it was not always considered as necessary (for instance in smaller stations or when only one train was about to leave). The raising of the Abfertigungskelle was the very last sequence of the train departure (when everybody and everything was ready and when the time of departure had arrived). Before, the "Bremsprobe" had to be carried through (the checking of the functioning of the brakes) in those cases when the train consist had been freshly assembled and/or a locomotive had been added. It was also necessary that the train crew and (if present) the mail and baggage people had signalled to the Abfertigungsbeamter that they were ready. This signalling was done by raising one arm/hand and occasionally by blowing a whistle. It is possible that the Abfertigungsbeamter also blew a whistle, but only to attract the attention of the other staff or in case something was unusual. Welcome to Swiss railway procedures in the good old days... Oops, one more thing: Here it was a actually not only a "raising" of the Abfertigungskelle, but a sidewise movement of the gadget up to the moment when the train started to move. And did you know that the Kelle should be green with a white stripe on one side and white with a green stripe on the other? The Abfertigungs-Guy always held it in a manner that the Kelle was visible against the background in the best possible manner. Searching for a video? How about this, especially at minute 5:58. Also an excellent video to learn the Swiss German language:
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Originally Posted by: Unholz Video not available in my location ???
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Originally Posted by: Unholz Video not available in my location ??? Same for me, ”…only available in Switzerland”, unfortunately. A pity, as the SRF have a lot of interesting movies… |
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Sorry to hear about this obstacle, but you can easily watch the SRF videos from outside Switzerland by using a VPN on your computer (many provider options available, from free to "costs a fortune"; personally, I use "Private Internet Access" on my Mac, https://www.privateinternetaccess.com ).
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Wow. Swiss German is really ...special! At times it has distant echoes of Dutch and Swedish to my ear. A good vpn is worth every penny. NordVPN has worked for me for a long time. Originally Posted by: Unholz |
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