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I am working on my layout and want to use the German Tims 858 sliding roof / sliding wall freight car. But can someone tell me what kind of goods this car would be used to transport? What type of industries would use this freight car? Any pictures or advice would be appreciated.
Marklin 46196 is an example of the type of freight car I am talking about.
Thanks,
Chris
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Ore, stone, sand, gravel, coal, powders, grain, etc.
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999  Ore, stone, sand, gravel, coal, powders, grain, etc. I wouldn't expect any of those to be transported in a 46196 wagon. Palletised loads would be what i would expect, slide the sides (and depending on height of load the roof) and then use a fork lift to put the pallet into the wagon. The pallets may contain packaged items listed above, but unless it was large stones for garden scenics I doubt that any of them would get palletised. So I would expect anything on a pallet that would be transferred between road and rail.
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Ok Alan, but it looks like the roofs also open.
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Thanks for the replies. I was thinking both could be possible since the roofs do open. Basically, looks like a modified gondola to me bigger side doors. My next step will be to try and find pictures of the prototype in operation somewhere so I can get a better feeling for how they were used.
Thanks again.
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Trainini has some prototype information starting at page 4: https://www.trainini.de/...022/Trainini_2022-02.pdfIn the old days, cars were manually loaded, so the old box cars with the small doors were OK. Later, as Alan wrote, cars were loaded with fork lifts or even cranes and the big doors made this easier. |
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Joined: 27/11/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,218 Location: Middle of the US
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Originally Posted by: H0 Trainini has some prototype information starting at page 4: https://www.trainini.de/...022/Trainini_2022-02.pdfIn the old days, cars were manually loaded, so the old box cars with the small doors were OK. Later, as Alan wrote, cars were loaded with fork lifts or even cranes and the big doors made this easier. This is exactly what I needed and was very helpful. Thank you very much. Chris
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Originally Posted by: Chris6382chris Thanks for the replies. I was thinking both could be possible since the roofs do open. Basically, looks like a modified gondola to me bigger side doors. My next step will be to try and find pictures of the prototype in operation somewhere so I can get a better feeling for how they were used.
Thanks again. Not so much a modified Gondola (they don't tend to be as high) as a modified boxcar concept. Some quick googling found a couple of pictures of a magazine article, which has pictures of the sides and top open. The first page shows a wagon with the top and both sides open at one end ...  The second page has a picture with a pair of the wagons, one with top open, and the load can be seen, the other with a side open.  Interestingly the second one appears to show loading using a gantry crane. I'll leave translating the article up to you. Another place to look may well be for a Miba special edition on these wagons, or similar special interest publication.
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For a bit of the text, I took a screenshot & used Google Lens text. Then German to English
After the sliding roof (Ts 851) and Kmmfks 52 (Tes 850) had proven themselves in daily use. the Deutsche Bundesbahn decided to transfer the advantages of the large roof loading openings to the loading openings of the side walls.
With the class Kmmgks 58 (Tims 858), a two-axle sliding wall and sliding roof wagon was created, in which the underframe and the roof construction of the Kmmks 51 were adopted unchanged. The side walls have been completely redesigned and increased from 1,680 mm to 2,168 mm. They now only consisted of two sliding walls that opened up almost the entire loading length of the wagon. This brought. in addition to loading through the roof, the possibility of driving on the wagons with forklifts and being able to load the general cargo quickly and efficiently on pallets. With these wagons, it was possible to meet the demand from rail customers who want their goods more
and more on pallets. Raising the side walls made it possible to transport two pallets on top of each other
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I only have a few of the sliding roof wagons (Z gauge they are nice runners) 
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