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Offline kehdi737w  
#1 Posted : 02 July 2020 22:46:27(UTC)
kehdi737w

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Hello, could anyone help me out to understand how to connect and setup a m83 decoder port for lights control on a CS3 ( street, houses and static cars with leds ) ? Much appreciated thanks
Offline kehdi737w  
#2 Posted : 02 July 2020 23:59:04(UTC)
kehdi737w

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CV1 CV55 22 CV5 37
CV3 64 CV4 128 CV6 0
CV123 11 CV133 12 CV 99 32

The technical manual of m83 shows these CV under the street lights application chapter, but with no text to explain them. Any help?
Offline Ross  
#3 Posted : 03 July 2020 00:31:50(UTC)
Ross

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Hello kehdi737w,

A name is always nice to address you.

Please read my article m83 Special Functions which may help you


Originally Posted by: kehdi737w Go to Quoted Post
Hello, could anyone help me out to understand how to connect and setup a m83 decoder port for lights control on a CS3 ( street, houses and static cars with leds ) ? Much appreciated thanks


Ross
Offline TEEWolf  
#4 Posted : 03 July 2020 01:37:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kehdi737w Go to Quoted Post
Hello, could anyone help me out to understand how to connect and setup a m83 decoder port for lights control on a CS3 ( street, houses and static cars with leds ) ? Much appreciated thanks


Yes. You are from Switzerland. Probabely you speak German. Maerklin has published a complete series about the decoders m83/m84.

https://www.maerklin.de/...men-specials-und-serien/

Scroll down to the heading

"Der neue Digital-Decoder m83 (MM 06/2013 bis 04/2014)"

Generally:
a m83 decoder is taken for functions needing a current impulse,
a m84 decoder is taken for switching functions of a continuous puls.

Edited by user 05 July 2020 18:13:18(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Offline clapcott  
#5 Posted : 03 July 2020 10:21:31(UTC)
clapcott

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Before you dive too deep please identify if your m83 is ....
- White, 60831, m83.1 (4 addresses only)
- Black, 60832, m83.2 (mfx configuration , 4 or 8 address modes)

The functional difference in the area of switching lights is that the 60832 may be set to "8 address" mode and thus be able to turn each port on and off specifically.

If left to 4 port mode (the only option with the 60831) you may simulate 8 port mode by using each of the red and green of an address to "toggle" the port.
e.g. pressing 1Red will turn on the 1R light, pressing it again will turn it off.

Peter
Offline kehdi737w  
#6 Posted : 03 July 2020 10:24:47(UTC)
kehdi737w

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Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
Before you dive too deep please identify if your m83 is ....
- White, 60831, m83.1 (4 addresses only)
- Black, 60832, m83.2 (mfx configuration , 4 or 8 address modes)

The functional difference in the area of switching lights is that the 60832 may be set to "8 address" mode and thus be able to turn each port on and off specifically.

If left to 4 port mode (the only option with the 60831) you may simulate 8 port mode by using each of the red and green of an address to "toggle" the port.
e.g. pressing 1Red will turn on the 1R light, pressing it again will turn it off.




Hello, I have the black one 60832 with mfx registration
Offline kehdi737w  
#7 Posted : 03 July 2020 10:29:49(UTC)
kehdi737w

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I was also wondering, can I connect 24 street LED lights to a single m83 port through a single cable? Will that overload the m83/port?
Offline Goofy  
#8 Posted : 03 July 2020 18:37:41(UTC)
Goofy


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I use m84 function decoder to control light.
There is 4 outputs and i feed it them with external power from the power feeder 12VDC for the LED street lighting and house lighting too.
Works perfect! ThumpUp
H0
DCC = Digital Command Control
Offline kehdi737w  
#9 Posted : 03 July 2020 18:45:01(UTC)
kehdi737w

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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
I use m84 function decoder to control light.
There is 4 outputs and i feed it them with external power from the power feeder 12VDC for the LED street lighting and house lighting too.
Works perfect! ThumpUp


Hello,
Thanks for your reply. Yeah I was just reading online m84 is actually the one for lights. This is great thanks.
Offline clapcott  
#10 Posted : 05 July 2020 03:45:17(UTC)
clapcott

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Location: Wellington, New_Zealand
I do agree that ..
- the m84 is better at switching power
- while the m83 may provide power

What the m84s switch offers is the ability to switch a wide range of electrical circuits
- dead sections with a digital or analogue signal
- sounds to speakers
- and lights or motors with different voltages if needed, including a variable transformer for brightness/speed.
- basic functions like blinking

What the m83 may provide is a
- voltage source of a set voltage (16VDC)
- controlled in power (which may loosely translate as brightness/speed) by way of PWM (Pulse width modulation)
- some more fancy capabilities like - florescent flicker on start, MARS, halogen, random - in addition to blinking options

Where the m83 may have perceived short comings is in the amount of power available
- the Spec for a m83 is 3Amp although the certified power supply is only 2Amp capable.
- the suggestion being that if all ports are on, they should not have more than an average of 250mA current draw.

Re:
Quote:
I was also wondering, can I connect 24 street LED lights to a single m83 port through a single cable? Will that overload the m83/port?

Yes 24 LEDs may be connected to a m83 port.
Apparent to the electrical savey is that this would not be in a strict series configuration as only 16V is available and a single LED , by design, needs a (approx) 2.5v potential difference),
However if you have ,say, 8 strings of 3 four LEDs (with appropriate current limiting resistor) in parallel, and given the LEDs are in the nominal 20mA to 40mA range you are about right.
Note: usually hobby LEDs strips are configured in 3's rated for 12v supply. If you are not wanting overly bright lights and the LED's still work at 8V then you may wire two strips in series and connect directly to a m83 port without an additional current limiting resister.

FWIW our club layout has a couple of meter long platform canopies. Two wires, from the m83 feed up a middle pillar and one strip of LEDs that goes left wired in series to a second strip that goes right.
While this could be done with a k84 to just turn the lights on or off, we also have wired in a 3rd wire to just one set of 3 LEDs and connected to a m83 port with the florescent startup function enabled. i.e. giving the impression of a single batton with a degraded tube/starter.

To cover off a few things.
1) Both the m83 and the m84 solutions should have any external power supply (6636x) connected
- this is desirable for the m83 so it dosn't suck power off the track (and reduce the power to trains)
- more to the point, i consider it required, for both units, in order for the lights to stay functional (retain their settings) should you press stop on your controller or have a short - causing the signal feed to drop.

2) The black m84.2 (60842) , like the m83.2 (60831) , may be configured for 8 address mode. As long as each pair of ports is needing a common power source/signal, this can reduce the cost of investment.

3) Should you have need for either
- a) more than a SPST/SPDT relay in your circuit
- b) a self latching relay solution (meaning the m8x does not to require a separate 6636x power supply)
you might consider the using a m83 with an external (latching) relay.

An example of this need is a DPDT relay that switches two circuits , one for a dead tract section and one for its accompanying light signal(s)
Peter
Offline plujan  
#11 Posted : 23 March 2023 16:51:39(UTC)
plujan

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Location: Georgia, Sandy Springs
Hello,

I was able to use the CS3 and M83 to control 3 LED lights connected in series. I used 2 1KOhm Resistors (One for in series and one between the 2 outputs of the M83). Here is what I did.

1) Added a Light Accesory

image0.jpeg

2) Went to the configuration of the M83 (You have to click the triangle/arrow on the bottom right)

image1.jpeg

3) Selected the Output option

image2.jpeg

4) Change the Output 3 and Output 4 (Lights connected to Output 3, Output 4 is for the next set of lights) to Dimmer and Selected the Perm. Option

image3.jpeg

Now the problem that I have is that I when I turn on the lights via the CS3 this happens. I click the Light 1 Icon (The name I gave the light) and the light turns on, click again and the light stays on while the icon shows the light off, click again and the light turns off while the icon shows the light on, click again the light turns on while the icon shows it is of...

I think it has something to do with not being able to select the Connection (Red or Green) for the light. (You can see in the first picture that the option is greyed out)

Any advise????

Thank you!


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Offline clapcott  
#12 Posted : 24 March 2023 21:27:52(UTC)
clapcott

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please stipulate if you have a m83.1 (60831 white) or m83.2 (60832 black)
Peter
Offline plujan  
#13 Posted : 24 March 2023 21:31:42(UTC)
plujan

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Location: Georgia, Sandy Springs
It’s the m83.2 the black one
Offline plujan  
#14 Posted : 25 March 2023 17:56:21(UTC)
plujan

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Location: Georgia, Sandy Springs
Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
please stipulate if you have a m83.1 (60831 white) or m83.2 (60832 black)


It is the m83.2
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