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Hi, not sure what this is about, but I’ve just seen this It looks like graffiti wagons? Not sure Edited by user 25 June 2021 14:22:31(UTC)
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Hopefully, the message on the wagons will be more clear than the message in the message.
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Somehow typical for modern advertising: you don't get the slightest idea what it is about.  But of course the creators of the stuff have "earned" a lot of money.
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Tried my own internet investigation and ended up with Massage Parlours in Wigan !!!!! No visitors allowed from North of the Border.
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I think I’ve found the answer, it’s I believe a paint job given to a train loaded container train, looking at climate change and a shift of freight to rail. It toured all over Europe. Edited by user 22 June 2021 14:22:36(UTC)
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Hi, it’s not what I thought, it’s about artist!?? Not sure what that’s about. But it’s not on my shopping list🤔 As it’s got squat to do with railways ☹️ |
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Hmmmm...well Mother M has done art series in the past (I have the Gauguin and the Van Gogh): https://zweiligrafix.ch/kunst-auf-m%C3%A4rklin ...and, of course, the graffiti trains/wagons, some limited edition, some not. and then there is the (I do hesitate, actually scared to mention) line between graffiti as art and graffiti as vandalism (sorry, but the video got me thinking along this line) I wonder what the harvest will be this time...   |
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Originally Posted by: danmarklinman  Hi, it’s not what I thought, it’s about artist!??
Not sure what that’s about. But it’s not on my shopping list🤔
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As it’s got squat to do with railways ☹️
Yep, it's a way of selling more model railway product when the delivery times are already well stretched ... 
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I’m a little bit annoyed with Marklin for producing items simply for collectors. But if you like art, it’s for you. If not something else from there past or already advertised for new this year. Personally I think they would get better turnover from selling realistic paint schemes on existing models. |
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Insider members would have got the following message..... 
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A special email from Märklin has arrived in my inbox, and the first artist featured is a Mr Haring.
I do like art but I have never heard of Mr Haring.
So why would I buy it?
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The first wagon seems to be this...  
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I don't understand why Märklin receives so much flak for this niche product.
Come on; It´s a very simple-to-produce product which will hopefully help increase revenue and might even -marginally- make the product and brand known to people outside of the traditional MRR circles.
My guess is that this will hardly impact the production-lines or I+D departments, as they already existing standard products (a box wagon and a section of straight track).
Any increased sales can then hopefully help to produce more realistic paint schemes for the more traditional trains.
Dissing the product because the featured artist is unknown to some is really NOT a good excuse. Just Google him and get informed. It takes less than 2 minuttes.
-You might find that you have actually seen his art before, but never realized who made it. Well guess what; there is (was) a real person behind it! ;-) |
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Originally Posted by: hxmiesa I don't understand why Märklin receives so much flak for this niche product.
Come on; It´s a very simple-to-produce product which will hopefully help increase revenue and might even -marginally- make the product and brand known to people outside of the traditional MRR circles.
My guess is that this will hardly impact the production-lines or I+D departments, as they already existing standard products (a box wagon and a section of straight track).
Any increased sales can then hopefully help to produce more realistic paint schemes for the more traditional trains.
Dissing the product because the featured artist is unknown to some is really NOT a good excuse. Just Google him and get informed. It takes less than 2 minuttes.
-You might find that you have actually seen his art before, but never realized who made it. Well guess what; there is (was) a real person behind it! ;-) A good point.👍 But I do think it would be wise to ask fans of Marklin, especially in mainland Europe, what you would like to see produced, in freight car livery’s. And as single items. |
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No indication as far as I can see of what the price might be. Fairly simple livery though it does come with fancy packing.
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Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson More likely get Schuco to do it - keep it within the Simba-Dickie group.
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Originally Posted by: hxmiesa I don't understand why Märklin receives so much flak for this niche product.
Come on; It´s a very simple-to-produce product which will hopefully help increase revenue
Yes it is simple to produce as it is 'just a livery job' on an existing wagon, but hang on, I'm still waiting for items from the 2020 new items brochure from 18 months ago - and they are livery changes of existing models. I see it as not good news to be introducing such items when the factory backlog is already very long. Originally Posted by: hxmiesa
and might even -marginally- make the product and brand known to people outside of the traditional MRR circles.
Well, Marklin is already very well known in most of Europe. Unless the artists have a very well known international profile (and this one doesn't seem to be from the "Who?" questions on this thread) I don't see this as a selling point. And are these people going to buy other Marklin MRR items? Originally Posted by: hxmiesa
My guess is that this will hardly impact the production-lines or I+D departments, as they already existing standard products (a box wagon and a section of straight track).
Any increased sales can then hopefully help to produce more realistic paint schemes for the more traditional trains.
Dissing the product because the featured artist is unknown to some is really NOT a good excuse. Just Google him and get informed. It takes less than 2 minuttes.
-You might find that you have actually seen his art before, but never realized who made it. Well guess what; there is (was) a real person behind it! ;-)
Well, the production lines are already impacted to the tune of at least 18 months delay on at least two wagon sets that I have on backorder. So how long is the backorder for these wagons going to be? While I appreciate that the production planning for this series of models will have been going on for quite some time, probably started before Covid stopped everything, I do feel the announcement of these could have waited until the current production backlog was somewhat more caught up.
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The other point about these Massage wagons is that Märklin will be paying a royalty to the artists and/or their managers.
I guess this is a negotiated thing.
So the idea for these "presentation" products must have sprung from where:
Do the Märklin owners have a particular liking for, or are they collectors of art?
Do they wish to support art and artists?
Or did this spring from the marketing department.
Which makes me think outside the square and ask the question whether Märklin could team up with perfumeries and produce articles with a double purpose.
If I buy perfume for myself and also my wife, I can collect the special wagons and the accompanying bottle of perfume gets used.
The possibilities for matching collector product and consumable is endless.
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow The other point about these Massage wagons is that Märklin will be paying a royalty to the artists and/or their managers.
I guess this is a negotiated thing.
So the idea for these "presentation" products must have sprung from where:
Do the Märklin owners have a particular liking for, or are they collectors of art?
Do they wish to support art and artists?
Or did this spring from the marketing department.
Which makes me think outside the square and ask the question whether Märklin could team up with perfumeries and produce articles with a double purpose.
If I buy perfume for myself and also my wife, I can collect the special wagons and the accompanying bottle of perfume gets used.
The possibilities for matching collector product and consumable is endless.
Kimball Here in the UK, the firm Rails of Shefield is doing just that, producing wagons with a Yorkshire connection. With one came a small bottle of sauce and with another a packet of sweets. Bob M.
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow
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Which makes me think outside the square and ask the question whether Märklin could team up with perfumeries and produce articles with a double purpose.
If I buy perfume for myself and also my wife, I can collect the special wagons and the accompanying bottle of perfume gets used.
The possibilities for matching collector product and consumable is endless.
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Oh no, not more glass tankers to collect ...  marklin have already done things like this, there are three sets of wine barrel cars supplied with a pair of wine glasses (but no bottle of plonk), IIRC there was a VT95 railbus with Jagermeister advertising supplied with a miniature bottle, or was it a glass, I have a marklin days wagon that advertises a vineyard that is local to Goeppingen and has a miniature bottle, again no contents.
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan ...Oh no, not more glass tankers to collect ... ... Better than the Banana wagons favoured by your northern neighbour, who must be past 500 of them by now..  |
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Which makes me think outside the square and ask the question whether Märklin could team up with perfumeries and produce articles with a double purpose.
If I buy perfume for myself and also my wife, I can collect the special wagons and the accompanying bottle of perfume gets used.
The possibilities for matching collector product and consumable is endless. YES! They did! (-or maybe they still do, I don't know) No too long ago, some new user here on the forum asked for details about a 1-scale set in her possession. A factory made famous perfume-name branded set. Ideal for a shopping window or like display. If I could only remember the brand-name, it would be easy to search for here in the forum... |
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Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson Also 5430: ... Deep inhaling....  I think there has also been a 4711 wagon in H0, but can't recall just when or its catalogue number.
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Marklin have already done things like this, there are three sets of wine barrel cars supplied with a pair of wine glasses (but no bottle of plonk), IIRC there was a VT95 railbus with Jagermeister advertising supplied with a miniature bottle, or was it a glass, I have a marklin days wagon that advertises a vineyard that is local to Goeppingen and has a miniature bottle, again no contents.
You forgot the 36890 Schöfferhofer Bier BR185 loco 
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz
You forgot the 36890 Schöfferhofer Bier BR185 loco
I knew it wasn't a comprehensive list.  I'm sure there are more such items out there.
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If here are any GB Insider Club members for whom this Haring item is not their cup of tea, let me know and I should like to purchase. My daughter in better times travelled the world as an airline employee and spent a lot of airside downtime following street art not sure where she got a whiff of this but has been nagging me to explore further. I am not an insider member and cant really afford to be. Of course it may not sell to devout Marklinisatas and may appear on eBay later on at reasonable prices. Many Thanks
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Originally Posted by: Rwill If here are any GB Insider Club members for whom this Haring item is not their cup of tea, let me know and I should like to purchase. My daughter in better times travelled the world as an airline employee and spent a lot of airside downtime following street art not sure where she got a whiff of this but has been nagging me to explore further. I am not an insider member and cant really afford to be. Of course it may not sell to devout Marklinisatas and may appear on eBay later on at reasonable prices. Many Thanks I don't think you need to be in the Insider Club, just sign up for emails here https://www.maerklin-messagewagons.com/looks like you can order the first one at the end of this week - july 1st I think looking at the count down.
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Well, I have bought one! (Bit of a gulp over the price . . .)
I was able to put my UK address, and the order was processed without delay or trouble. Reasonable carriage charge, less than the normal price for the Märklin Store.
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Originally Posted by: Nigel Packer Well, I have bought one! (Bit of a gulp over the price . . .)
I was able to put my UK address, and the order was processed without delay or trouble. Reasonable carriage charge, less than the normal price for the Märklin Store.
Nigel Just realised I bought the Gauge 1 version!! My brain is turning to mush! I'm sure it will be very nice, but I've now bought the H0 one too. Nigel |
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Originally Posted by: Nigel Packer Originally Posted by: Nigel Packer Well, I have bought one! (Bit of a gulp over the price . . .)
I was able to put my UK address, and the order was processed without delay or trouble. Reasonable carriage charge, less than the normal price for the Märklin Store.
Nigel Just realised I bought the Gauge 1 version!! My brain is turning to mush! I'm sure it will be very nice, but I've now bought the H0 one too. Nigel At 49.99E for the HO one, it is pretty expensive for what is a fairly simple livery. Bob M.
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Originally Posted by: rmsailor
At 49.99E for the HO one, it is pretty expensive for what is a fairly simple livery.
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Soooo, about the same as a Museum Wagon then, but they tend to come with an additional road vehicle (or other accessory, this year a knife) at that price. many of them are pretty simple livery jobs as well. However it looks like these come in a fancy printed box with certificate, and I guess a fee for use of the artists artwork instead. I haven't seen any indication of how often they intend to offer one of these, once a year, once a quarter, once a month ???
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Hmm, investigating the home page of these items, it seems "some assembly required" might be the order of the day ... Included items list says: - Included items: 1 printed freight car 1 presentation track 1 certificate 1 artist biography brake shoes & brake hoses Does this mean you have to fit the brake shoes yourself? I imagine the brake hoses are like the additional items that come with locos and don't get fitted because they would interfere with the couplings and adjacent wagons, but brake shoes ???
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All are now sold out.
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in re Alan's note about the brake shoes and brake hoses, I wonder if that note on the HO version is a victim of "cut & paste"? I might see it on the gauge 1 as those do look somewhat more fragile and might get banged about in shipment...but on the HO? Weird, nonetheless We shall see what we shall see. Looking forward to reviews. |
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Originally Posted by: Purellum I was wondering how long before they appeared on ebay. I wonder if they got permission to use the Marklin photos, or if someone will dob them in ...  I was amused by the sellers name on the second two items. Hmm, an H0 wagon for 10x the original price, i wonder if the tax man knows ...
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Truly Bonkers, anyone know the retail price 🤔🤓
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Originally Posted by: danmarklinman Truly Bonkers, anyone know the retail price 🤔🤓
It was Euro 399.99 for the G1 and Euro 49.99 for the H0. Plus shipping.
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: danmarklinman Truly Bonkers, anyone know the retail price 🤔🤓
It was Euro 399.99 for the G1 and Euro 49.99 for the H0. Plus shipping. And the shipping from Märklin to the UK for these was only 9.90 Euros, even for purchases of multiple items. Nigel |
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 Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Per, haven't you posted these into the wrong thread?? It made sense to me to post it here, after seeing that Nigel bought a 1-gauge wagon by mistake If the prices I found on Ebay turns out to become reality, it could be the best mistake ever made Per. |
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Originally Posted by: Nigel Packer Originally Posted by: Nigel Packer Well, I have bought one! (Bit of a gulp over the price . . .)
I was able to put my UK address, and the order was processed without delay or trouble. Reasonable carriage charge, less than the normal price for the Märklin Store.
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