What about overall life expectancy of the respective motors? The c-sine motor has no motor brushes to wear out...

Hello,

I prefer the running characteristics of my C sines locos than them with the bell shaped rotor.
I run them with my CS1 or 2 and they run very smoothly. The bell shaped rotors too, but they are louder than the C-sine.

I have to admit that the behaviour of the bell shaped rotor changes a lot from the loco. So I like my Br55 very much, despite of it's 14 speed steps, and find my Br38 quite awful (compared to c-sine) from the running characteristics. The Br18.1 is somewhere in between of these.

I'm conscious that under non digital conditions the C-sine may non really satisfy from the running quality.

rgds

Stephan

Advantages are mainly : reliability ( long life) and the following ratio : Size/power ( small size for much power)



Bcause on 2 rails market , still a lot of people are using analog layouts . Among those users , still a part of them are using some " gauge Master" style control station . Some of those stations ( with electronical servoing already)are providing a kind of digital current which is not giving the best results with brushless motors with electronic control board...
With analog controls , C-sine needs a "good old DC current" . If you start to feed it with impulses...it may be okay or not , depending on ADC converters how they react , other factors like : frequency...things like that...
C-sine motors from Marklin are Brushless motors .

What I say is an assumption based on different info ( not official from Trix-or Marklin)

We "three raillers" don't imagine , how many "two railers" are still driving analog layouts....( to improve running characteristics many of them are using servoing controls )
About costs : yes , generally , brushless motors with control board are more expensive than a"classical" motor ( but there are so many options in designing motors like this....)

About current ranges of motors from Maxxon , what I hear from serious technicians :
" Above all " they" (the Cie) have a good & efficient...communication department with good & efficient communication strategy...!!! ( see what it means...)!Into the range of small electric motors , the Maxxon's were far to be their favorites...( they told me about a German Brand...don't remember the name...making much better quality than Maxxon..)

When I made my own test where I compared different loks/decoders/motor concepts, the SDS and the mfx+"bell"-motor both came out on top. Couldn't say one was better than the other. All other tested combinations were either a little bit or much behind.

Faulhaber motors have a shorter life then a sinus motor.

I asked that my self with our technical genius of the modeltrain club.

Is there any maintenance that can be done on a Faulhaber motor other than oiling?

Why are you writing like this,when you know that is the older system has been for many years ago...?
The digitalmarket of today inside of DCC has been so much more advanced in function,that has become thousands better function for Faulhaber/Maxxon motor.
In that way,you must thinking like this because it´s truth.
You are an "Marklinist".
Are you saying by writing,that DC rail is not good...?
In DCC of today it´s much more enjoyment and better than it was for 10 years ago for exemple...!

Goofy

The bell-shaped armature is probably the most underrated in Marklin lineups, overshadowed by the Sinus technology, and nearly invisible next to the vast ocean of five star motors in the 37-serries.

I’ve just taken my first model with maintenance free bell-shaped armature motor (this is a can motor or Maxxon/faulhaber probably, not so sure) – the 37786 ICE-3 MF. It is a very quiet, smooth running motor, obviously in this model is geared for top speed more than pulling ability. It is slightly buzzy at its first speed steps compared to SDS though not by much. Compared to old C-Sine, it is far quieter hands down.

Overall I would rate this motor better (in this case) compared to the Sinus option on ICE 39711. It is competitive to SDS in terms of smoothness, which is not bad considering the same motor has been powering Marklin ICE-3s for 10 years. I would certainly be happy to buy more models with these motors.

Here is another thing, RRP of replacement motor from Marklin’s own spare part database is midway between SDS and old C-Sine (excluding driver board costs – so bell shaped is actually far cheaper). Assuming longetivity of 1,000 hours as guideline and averaging my own useage, at the very least it will only worn out after about 10 years or more (assuming it’ll broke down after that time, which I don’t think it will). So cost wise, it is wearing itself out at a rate of around 4 - 5 Euro per year, which is perfectly acceptable for most people. But remember, it's also a maintenance free motor throughout.

Another (more expensive) variation of the bell-shaped motor (don't know what exactly the type again) is powering the Big Boy / GG-1, renown for their strong pulling power. So obviously these types of motor can be geared both ways – pulling power vs speed, depending of what the model is expected to do.

I didn't say anything about DCC
Brushless motors ( motors without brushes) like C-Sine don't have any problem with DCC decoder

I was talking about two railers still running analog control , with analog dispatching of electrical power .
Many two-railers still use to run analog locomotives ( no decoder inside) but:
to improve running characteristics they are using some kind of control station that are delivering current with impulses ( like digital) instead of basic DC controler delivering pure DC power .
C-Sine motors don't accept well those kinds of stations ( in fact: only some of them , more or less, depending on technical factors, it's matter of ADC converters ...
(my english is too poor to give more explanations )
Believe me , I'm surrounded with two raillers .
There are still some people running analog . More in two rails than 3 rails. IE Some old modelrailroaders , they don't want to digitalize their whole fleet of Loks...