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Offline rbw993  
#1 Posted : 07 April 2021 15:59:01(UTC)
rbw993

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I ordered a Kibri kit, 38807 Bauernhof Simmental. When I opened it I immediately checked the box label to make sure it said H0 as I thought it might be N scale. I then measured it with an H0 scale rule and it scaled out to less than 5 feet (well under 2 meters) between floors. II know selective compression is a modelling technique, but I don't think alpine farmers are dwarfs.

Is this typical of all Kibri kits?

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Roger
Offline David Dewar  
#2 Posted : 07 April 2021 16:16:05(UTC)
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Most of my Kibri kits were fine and Bonn station is actually larger than the Faller model. The smallest of all is probably Auhagan Not sure about spelling. But they also do smaller scales like TT which I think might also be used for HO. I have never been sure about scale of building kits some of which look wrong on the layout. Bit like HO Preiser people in coaches one of which is not the correct scale.
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Offline RayF  
#3 Posted : 07 April 2021 16:16:47(UTC)
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This is common with plastic building kits. They are produced deliberately undersized to fit better on layouts, I believe. Some brands, like Faller, advertise them in the catalogue as 1:100 or TT scale.

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Offline JohnjeanB  
#4 Posted : 07 April 2021 17:02:18(UTC)
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Hi
Yes in the 1950s until very late (1990s?) Faller HO models were having a 1/100 reduction size. Because Faller was a market leader most German manufacturers (Kibri Vollmer, Wiad) followed suit.
Later Faller produced larger 1/87 models post 2000s. The dates may vary and I purchased a Faller Bonn Station around 2010 with an increased scale reduction (definitely not 1/87)
In the late in 1960 and 1970 it was funny to see the distorsion between 1/100 building and much enlarged Faller AMS cars (or the Brawa/Eheim trolleybuses)
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Offline rbw993  
#5 Posted : 07 April 2021 17:05:18(UTC)
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Thanks all for the quick response. I guess I'll use the building in the background to force perspective.

Roger
Offline mike c  
#6 Posted : 07 April 2021 17:27:28(UTC)
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The Faller AMS was based on the scales used by Aurora and was never 1/87. I don't know if it was 1/76 or other, but they certainly looked oversized compared to Wiking cars.
The scale was also similar to then available smaller models (not powered) by Matchbox, Corgi, etc.

Regards

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Offline marklinist5999  
#7 Posted : 07 April 2021 17:45:42(UTC)
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Some seem smaller than scale, and many Marklin passenger cars and auto haulers are 1/100 scale. It seems many of todays modelers want long trains, like ICE's, TGV's, etc. The drawback is you also need a longer parade route and station platforms. Frankly it doesn't bother me that some are 1/100 scale. Several of my radiui are R1, and my longets parade run is 5 ft.
Offline perz  
#8 Posted : 13 April 2021 00:39:22(UTC)
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Sometimes the difference in scales becomes ridiculous. Two different Kibri models both claimed to be H0:

http://www.persmodelrailroad.com/ext/scale.jpg
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#9 Posted : 13 April 2021 01:56:59(UTC)
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The Bonn station has been mentioned - the Faller version is 750mm long, the Kibri version is 1 metre long - a 33% increase.
Offline MalinAC  
#10 Posted : 13 April 2021 07:42:06(UTC)
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Should that not be a 25% increase
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Offline marklinist5999  
#11 Posted : 13 April 2021 09:13:11(UTC)
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I thought 33% is too much. Even 25% seems like quite a stretch. I thought it was within a couple cm. Max.
The small house shown above is just that. Older buildings were smaller with lower ceilings. People were generally shorter then.
Offline mvd71  
#12 Posted : 13 April 2021 11:24:36(UTC)
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It depends on the kit, Kibri have done some kits undersized and some correct, as have Faller. Also to consider is type of architecture and age of the prototype, as these have an effect on the size.

Unfortunately if you want scale size, it’s a case of doing a bit of Homework before buying to avoid getting kits that have shrunk in the wash.
Offline Alsterstreek  
#13 Posted : 13 April 2021 11:47:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
The Bonn station has been mentioned - the Faller version is 750mm long, the Kibri version is 1 metre long - a 33% increase.


Originally Posted by: MalinAC Go to Quoted Post
Should that not be a 25% increase

Nope:

1000 mm - 750 mm = 250 mm variance.

250 mm / 750 mm = 1/3 = 33.3 %

In order to get from 750 mm to 1000 mm one needs to add 250 mm to the base value of 750 mm, which equals an increase of 1/3 = +33.3%

Edited by user 13 April 2021 17:22:42(UTC)  | Reason: typo

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Offline marklinist5999  
#14 Posted : 13 April 2021 12:42:25(UTC)
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Yes, and Goofy also is correct. Faller kit is 77 cm, Kibri is 99 cm.
Offline kiwiAlan  
#15 Posted : 13 April 2021 16:13:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mvd71 Go to Quoted Post
It depends on the kit, Kibri have done some kits undersized and some correct, as have Faller.


Faller did produce a range of buildings that were smaller than scale to put 'up in the mountains' to produce an enforced perspective of distance.

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Offline marklinist5999  
#16 Posted : 13 April 2021 20:12:37(UTC)
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The Faller Bonn station is the best size for me.
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#17 Posted : 13 April 2021 22:16:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
In order to get from 750 mm to 1000 mm one needs to add 250 mm to the base value of 750 mm, which equals an increase of 1/3 = +33.3%


Correct, a 33% increase from 750mm to 1000mm, but a 25% reduction from 1000mm to 750mm.

Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
Yes, and Goofy also is correct. Faller kit is 77 cm, Kibri is 99 cm.


Goofy hasn't posted in this thread but yes, those measurements are more accurate. I was using Swedish rounding!

Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
The Faller Bonn station is the best size for me.


The Kibri station suits me, but it is huge!

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Offline rbw993  
#18 Posted : 14 April 2021 01:01:35(UTC)
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Hey be careful my mother is a Swede! I just ordered the building from Perz's post, the big one, because I need one of the spires for Astrid's Kapelle in Kussnacht. We Swedes stick together.
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Offline rbw993  
#19 Posted : 14 April 2021 01:05:20(UTC)
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BTW, I think I have an N-scale model of the Bonn station stored away, but it would look pretty silly in the mountains!
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#20 Posted : 14 April 2021 04:33:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
I was using Swedish rounding!


Maybe that's a term used in NZ - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash_rounding
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Offline rbw993  
#21 Posted : 14 April 2021 13:10:45(UTC)
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Interesting, I had never heard of this. Even when I was in Sweden, about 20 years ago. When pennies become obsolete will it happen elsewhere?
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Offline Purellum  
#22 Posted : 14 April 2021 19:31:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
Yes, and Goofy also is correct......................


Goofy hasn't posted in this thread............


That's why he's correct LOL Laugh LOL

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