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Offline marklinist5999  
#1 Posted : 18 March 2021 12:20:13(UTC)
marklinist5999

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Heard this on last evening's news. Honda is idling it's Ohio plant due to microchip shortage. Could affect ESU, Marklin, Roco, etc.
Offline dickinsonj  
#2 Posted : 18 March 2021 14:22:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
Honda is idling it's Ohio plant due to microchip shortage.

Yes, microchip supply constraints have slowed production of cars around the world.

Over time I think that the smaller manufacturers, such as model train makers will be hit the hardest.

Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time.
Offline kiwiAlan  
#3 Posted : 18 March 2021 14:43:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
Heard this on last evening's news. Honda is idling it's Ohio plant due to microchip shortage. Could affect ESU, Marklin, Roco, etc.


Maybe. The problem for the auto manufacturers is that they terminated chip supply contracts as the stocks built up in the middle of 2020 because people were not buying due to Covid. The problem now is that chip manufacturers have switched their production lines to other products such as memory which suddenly became short supply because people wanted PCs so they could work from home. That demand hasn't abated for PCs (and all the associated bits like cable modems) yet but now the auto makers want to get their chips but the production capacity isn't available now so there is a shortage of the chips they use.

This is one of the problems with 'Just In time' manufacturing supply mentality. Sure it saves on having warehouse space, but creates problems when there are fluctuations in the supply chain - in this case of their own making because they stopped their contracts.

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Offline bph  
#4 Posted : 18 March 2021 16:56:51(UTC)
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Things like this didn't help either:
https://www.strata-gee.com/akm-fire-2020-was-almost-over-then-disaster-struck-again/
That fire might have a direct impact on Märklin if they use AKM chips in the sound modules.

And then you also have the strange "industry" of cryptocurrency mining. They probably contribute to it.
Offline hxmiesa  
#5 Posted : 18 March 2021 17:50:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Go to Quoted Post
Yes, microchip supply constraints have slowed production of cars around the world.
Over time I think that the smaller manufacturers, such as model train makers will be hit the hardest.

So, it's back to running ANALOGUE!
Oh wait, I'm already there!
No chips needed here. Potato-chips maybe, but they are plenty in supply! ;-)

Wait until I start up my layout; The trafos are online in 0,01 (approx.) seconds after flipping the power-switch. All loks are ready to move the moment their track get power.
Locos and train-recognition and registration don't need wired connections. Everything is done purely on-the-fly, by visual contact; "The red one", "The ´50", "The Blue Enzian", "The Rheingold Epoch II". Any length and type of name is valid. Even special characters are no problem.

As long as rotary switches and DTDP contacts are in supply, I am good!
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#6 Posted : 18 March 2021 18:08:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post
Things like this didn't help either:
https://www.strata-gee.com/akm-fire-2020-was-almost-over-then-disaster-struck-again/
That fire might have a direct impact on Märklin if they use AKM chips in the sound modules.


I don't think that will be a problem for Marklin. I don't recall seeing any AKM chips on their decoders, the AKM audio stuff looks like it is all oriented to consumer stereo (sound bars, TVs etc).

Offline Br502362  
#7 Posted : 18 March 2021 19:30:14(UTC)
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It isn't only chips. Shortage concerns many other electronic components too.
In my job we have seen delivery delays from nearly all of our suppliers.
Items which we normally get in two or three weeks in to our warehouse
take now up to 6 months Scared

Regards
Åke
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Offline marklinist5999  
#8 Posted : 18 March 2021 20:08:34(UTC)
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Yes, as I said it was early this morning here, and I mistook Denmark for Sweden. Neighbors though, accross the Oresund.
The local auto makers here were closed last spring for a month, at least, so yes, they likely terminated orders. The average vehicle today has up to a thousand or more chips.
They also have audio-video systems, and some (new S Klasse) have self contained portable tablets on board. The Cadillac Escalade has a screen in front of the driver displaying the entire road and forward view if the driver desires it. I think the Tesla S has among the largest.
I saw a new Toyota Highlander with a 12 inch screen sticking up on the dash. A CS3 screen in 7 inches. My Ford Edge has a tiny 3.5 inch screen. I opted for the largest engine rather than the media gimmicks. That's what we used to buy cars for, what was under the hood, and if the torque upon launch forced you into the seatback.
Offline kiwiAlan  
#9 Posted : 18 March 2021 23:31:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
Yes, as I said it was early this morning here, and I mistook Denmark for Sweden. Neighbors though, accross the Oresund.
The local auto makers here were closed last spring for a month, at least, so yes, they likely terminated orders. The average vehicle today has up to a thousand or more chips.
They also have audio-video systems, and some (new S Klasse) have self contained portable tablets on board. The Cadillac Escalade has a screen in front of the driver displaying the entire road and forward view if the driver desires it. I think the Tesla S has among the largest.
I saw a new Toyota Highlander with a 12 inch screen sticking up on the dash. A CS3 screen in 7 inches. My Ford Edge has a tiny 3.5 inch screen. I opted for the largest engine rather than the media gimmicks. That's what we used to buy cars for, what was under the hood, and if the torque upon launch forced you into the seatback.


The largest screen I have seen in a vehicle was a couple of years ago in a Mercedes, the display was about a third of the width of the car by about 6 inches (150mm) high. made the GPS real easy to follow ... BigGrin

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Offline marklinist5999  
#10 Posted : 19 March 2021 00:15:09(UTC)
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Mercedes still has the status quo for screeen size in combustion engined cars. The S class has a full console width and height size screen for GPS, audio/video/etc. In addition, each rear seat passenger has a headrest sized screen. The driver can route different music and video to each passenger individually, or they can share and edit to their likings.
The head rests also inflate. The standard W123 wheelbase has increased from 119" on the former W122 to 123.5". The E223 lwb is even longer. Rear wheel steering is available as are flush door handles.
Offline Goofy  
#11 Posted : 20 March 2021 06:31:58(UTC)
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You avoid the topic about global chip shortage and now write about cars?
Ohhh by the way...chip shortage are normal due too weak quality of produce.
So long there is warranty you don´t have to be worried.
Have you seen how small decoder there is now in the market?
Such like nano-decoder?
Those weak chip decoder are problem sometimes.
H0
DCC = Digital Command Control
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Offline marklinist5999  
#12 Posted : 20 March 2021 10:33:37(UTC)
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Ah, I see. Is failure due to heat retention? Forgive my off topic rant. I like all vehicles, so I often combine topics of technology seeing they have common relativity. I also have some dyslexia. At it's worse, I transpose numbers. Perhaps a bit of add too?
Anywho, I even made an error in describing the new S klass above. The new std.wheelbase is a bit less. The long wheelbase model is the V223, not E. The Heels 1/87 scale model depicts a few mm longer than it's W222 model. The same as it's W126 S600 from the 1990s.
Offline river6109  
#13 Posted : 20 March 2021 13:14:53(UTC)
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We've got plenty of chips but can't get fresh fish
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Offline David Dewar  
#14 Posted : 20 March 2021 13:30:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
We've got plenty of chips but can't get fresh fish


Indeed. Big Brenda at our Chippy has plenty of chips and fish is OK as well. One of her chips with salt and vinegar works well in a steamer to produce smoke.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Offline rbw993  
#15 Posted : 20 March 2021 13:42:51(UTC)
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Come on guys, get serious! The real problem is in the casinos. If they can't get enough chips they are going to have to shut down, putting thousands out of work.

Ante up,
Roger
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Offline bph  
#16 Posted : 20 March 2021 15:19:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
We've got plenty of chips but can't get fresh fish


Same here, the fish is sent to China for processing, and then back. https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/6222316 (Same for Norway)

If I want fresh fish with the chips, I have to catch it myselff.
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Offline marklinist5999  
#17 Posted : 20 March 2021 16:27:55(UTC)
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Yes, fish and seafood are in high demand during lent, etc. We had fish & chips for supper yesterday. Home made by me. I coated ocean perch fillet's that were farm raised fresh vacuum packed in Florida. I coated them in milk, egg, and panko, then pan fried them in Wesson oil. The fries were from Idaho, frozen, but coated with a bit of corn meal that makes them crispy in the oven. Last week we had Key West raw frozen shrimp and Tilapia tacos.
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#18 Posted : 20 March 2021 18:57:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post

Ohhh by the way...chip shortage are normal due too weak quality of produce.


Huh ??? Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused

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Offline marklinist5999  
#19 Posted : 20 March 2021 19:05:10(UTC)
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Laugh
Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post

Ohhh by the way...chip shortage are normal due too weak quality of produce.


Huh ??? Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused

Laugh Yes, of course poor produce affects chip quality, of potato chips!

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Offline Purellum  
#20 Posted : 20 March 2021 19:08:48(UTC)
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Cool

Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post

Ohhh by the way...chip shortage are normal due too weak quality of produce.


Huh ??? Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused



I like the next line even more:

Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post

So long there is warranty you don´t have to be worried.


He really nails this topic to the wall LOL Laugh LOL Laugh LOL

Per.

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Offline Purellum  
#21 Posted : 20 March 2021 19:22:15(UTC)
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I blame Donald D, he always fights the monks who are making the chips............ BigGrin

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Offline David Dewar  
#22 Posted : 20 March 2021 19:38:09(UTC)
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Goofy says my chips have a warranty. Can I return the last one from the pack and get a refund for the lot.

I will be the first to apologise for going off topic.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Offline nhumps  
#23 Posted : 20 March 2021 20:07:33(UTC)
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In before the lock!

We were going to have chips but the potato produce literally had disintegrated and turned into sludge in the drawer. No warranty claim was possible :(
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Offline river6109  
#24 Posted : 21 March 2021 01:33:40(UTC)
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I've never asked my wife for a warranty claim (she cooks the best chips) and if I do or would, I most probably see the last chip being made for a long time.
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Offline hxmiesa  
#25 Posted : 21 March 2021 14:47:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post
I blame Donald D, he always fights the monks who are making the chips............ BigGrin

Donald D. is harmless. I blame Donald T. for just about everything.

Okay, NOW we can lock it! ;-)

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