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Offline mike c  
#1 Posted : 06 October 2013 23:48:44(UTC)
mike c

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I thought that I would take a minute to provide a little additional information about the coaches in this set.

The set comes with a baggage car, similar to the already released 43401. It also comes with one first class coach (43361), one second class coach with four doors (43371), two second class coaches with two doors (middle) (43381) and a second class coach converted into pilot coach (steuerwagen) with first and second class sections (43410).

According to Marklin.com, the 37045 Re 4/4I is the correct locomotive for the consist.

The Re 4/4I (37044/37045) were not designed to be used for push-pull operation and were not normally used with pilot coach.
The appropriate lok for a push-pull train using coaches from this set would be the 39420 or 39421 green or red Re 4/4I of the first series. The coaches that could be used in such a push-pull consist would be the baggage, first class, second class (four doors) and the pilot coach. The second class coaches with middle doors were not equipped for push-pull operation.

So, with that in mind, here are a few suggestions for train consists using the coaches in the 43389 and other Swiss lightsteel coaches:

D=Baggage, A=First Class, B=Second Class (4 Doors), ABt = Pilot coach

39421 - 43389D - 43389B - 43371 - 43889ABt
This type of consist could be found on the Gotthard as local trains. They normally would stop at all the local stations while the expresses and international trains likely stopped only in Arth Goldau, Bellinzona and Lugano. I included a 43371 in the consist because these trains normally had two second class coaches. If you can't find a 43371, you could always use a Einheitswagen Type I (EWI) (Liliput, Hag) or EWII (Roco) in it's place.

You can also use a Triebwagen like Hag's 152/154 BDe 4/4 with this consist. The pilot coach was not designed to work with other locomotives than the Re 4/4I (10001-10025) or the BDe 4/4.

If you want to model a regional train (not push-pull), the 37044/37045 is a good choice. The consist would be as follows:

B*=Second Class (middle doors)

37044/45 - 43389D - 43389A - 43391 - 43889B* - 43389B - 43389B*
This type of consist could be found in many areas of Switzerland. During the 1950s and 1960s, these coaches were the backbone of the fast trains between major cities and on the east-west route (Geneva-Lausanne-Fribourg-Bern-Olten-Aarau-Zurich-Winterthur-St. Gallen-Rorschach). With the delivery of the newer coaches (EWI, EWII) and even the newer Swiss Express (EWIII), the Lightsteel coaches were still used, but were more and more used on regional and local trains rather than the express trains. I included the 43391 Restaurant car in this consist because it was still pretty common up until the mid 1980s to find a diner car in a train. Some of these trains included a mix of coach types, so you could replace or add coaches of the EWI (Liliput, Hag), EWII (Roco) or even UIC (LS Models) coaches to this consist.

These coaches were also seen in large numbers as coaches attached to international trains for the run through Switzerland. The Maerklin coaches are exact 1/87 and can be combined with exact scale coaches from other manufacturers. So, if you decide to opt for the push-pull consist above, you can take the unused second class coaches with middle doors, add a 43391 Restaurant and attach the coaches to a train made up of FS (Italian) coaches (ACME) or DB coaches (LS Models, Roco). These coaches could also be found as seating coaches for international night trains (CIWL, TEN) during their daytime run through the alps.

I plan on using the pilot coach with the 39421 red Re 4/4I. I might look for just that coach on ebay rather than the whole set because I already have a number of the lightsteel coaches, either individually bought or as part of the 26534 set. My tentative plan is to use the green pilot coach (43410) with the coaches from the 26534 and the 39420 green Re 4/4I and to use the individually bought (43401 and 43371s) with the 43889ABt pilot coach with the 39421.

That still leaves me with enough separate lightsteel coaches to have a consist with the green 37044, 43401 baggage, two 43361 first class, the 43391 diner and then one 43381, 43371 and a last 43381.

If you want to look for other models that you can use with these coaches, this site has an excellent list of EWI, EWII and other Swiss (and international models). The page is in Italian, but the numbers can be understood by all: http://gamos81.altervista.org

For passenger coaches of Switzerland, click on Carrozze Passegeri under Modelli Europei and then select Svizzera or click directly here:
http://gamos81.altervist.../Estero/Carrozze/SBB.php

The site lists mostly DC rolling stock, but does have the Trix equivalents for Maerklin coaches.
I found this site to be very useful when looking for a couple of models on ebay.

If anybody has any questions about these lightsteel or other Swiss consists, please post them here or send me a private message.

Regards

Mike C


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Offline jvuye  
#2 Posted : 07 October 2013 07:16:41(UTC)
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Hi mike
Totally agree with you here!
Wrong version for the Re 4/4 I !!
They goofed big time!
Cheers
(P.S. it must have taken you more than a minute to write that post??BigGrin BigGrin Wink )
Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn
Once a vandal, learned to be better and had great success!
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Online H0  
#3 Posted : 07 October 2013 09:19:27(UTC)
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Hi!
The starter set 29720 also includes a control car - and AFAIK the BR 221 cannot be used for push/pull trains. Like with the Swiss train discussed here, it's prototypically correct as long as the loco is hauling the train.
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Offline AshleyH  
#4 Posted : 07 October 2013 14:01:31(UTC)
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I came across this really nice video on Youtube a few weeks ago.
Shot in 1980 it shows plenty of Re 4/4 Is in REd and Green, many with driving trailers.

It should be helpful for building consists. It shows an interesting mix of SBB logos and liveries.
A really interesting time to model.



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Offline mike c  
#5 Posted : 07 October 2013 19:31:28(UTC)
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Sokrates003 has a very nice selection of classic 1980s/1990s Swiss Train videos on his YouTube channel. I think he also has other channels Sokrates001 and Sokrates002, but I don't know whether those also have Swiss trains on them.

https://www.youtube.com/user/003Sokrates

It is amazing that he has posted these earlier videos. Most of the videos/DVDs that I have seen are all post 1995.

Regards

Mike C
Offline mike c  
#6 Posted : 25 December 2013 04:32:46(UTC)
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Here is the first close up photo of the pilot coach from the 43389 Set:

http://pics.ricardostati...htstahlwagen-set-sbb.jpg
http://www.ricardo.ch/ka...n-set-sbb/v/an726399052/

For comparison, here is a photo of the Repainted 43410 offered by Helmut's Hobbies in limited quantities last year:

http://www.helmutshobbie...images/43410-R%20cab.jpg

Here is a photo of the actual coach: http://www.polier.ch/ima...10/SBB.16/SBB-16-036.jpg

It seems to me that Helmut's model was more prototypical as far as the paint job of the red area.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline steventrain  
#7 Posted : 25 December 2013 22:00:08(UTC)
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The 43389 have six white box in the box set, It take 6-8 mintues to take out of box and place on track.
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Offline mike c  
#8 Posted : 21 January 2014 03:42:00(UTC)
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I managed to find the pilot coach that I was looking for on ebay.be. Sometimes it pays to check more than just ebay.com and ebay.de. I try to check ebay.ch (Modellbau, ebay.it (Giocatolli e Modelismo), ebay.fr (Jouets, Collections), befr.ebay.be (Jouets, Collections) and ebay.nl (modelbouw) on a regular basis, because depending on what they choose when they list their items, it may not always be viewable from other ebay sites.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline mike c  
#9 Posted : 30 January 2014 18:42:05(UTC)
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I received my 43389.6 pilot coach yesterday and it is now running with the coaches from my 26534 Set (Re 4/4II plus baggage and two coaches (43371)) and my 39421 red Re 4/4I.
The Re 4/4II from the 26534 Set has now been liberated to pull Roco and Lima EWI and EWII coaches.

A prototypical Pendelzug consist for Lightsteel coaches would be as follows:

Re 4/4I (39420/39421) - 43401* - 43371* - 43371* - 43410**
* Can be replaced by 26534 coaches
** Can be replaced by 43389.6 (pilot coach).

The other coaches in the 43389 Set can be combined with a 43391 WR (restaurant) to make a good consist for the 37044/37045 Re 4/4I (no pilot coach). Such trains required a locomotive change at major stations in cities like Zurich, Luzern and other terminals or if travelling through Bern in direction of Thun/Brig or Interlaken. The 37044/37045 might have pulled a train with a pilot coach, but were NOT equipped to push the train in the other direction.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline AshleyH  
#10 Posted : 31 January 2014 09:34:21(UTC)
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Thanks Mike,

Presumably the Era III first release Lightsteel cars 43400, 43360, 43370 etc are corect for 39420, but maybe not for the red 39421 ?

Best Regards
Ashley
Offline mike c  
#11 Posted : 31 January 2014 09:49:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: AshleyH Go to Quoted Post
Thanks Mike,

Presumably the Era III first release Lightsteel cars 43400, 43360, 43370 etc are corect for 39420, but maybe not for the red 39421 ?

Best Regards
Ashley


Ashley,

the 43400, 43360 and 43370 were likely equipped for push-pull operation with the BDe 4/4, Re 4/4I and later the RBe 4/4. The pilot coach would have been a lightsteel ABt (not made by Maerklin) like this Metropolitan model: http://www.messingers.ch...Met_ABt_03-915_SBB_1.JPG

The 43380 and 43390 were not equipped for push-pull operation.

The best loco for the Era III lightsteel coaches would probably be one of the three Ae 6/6 that Maerklin released with the grey undercarriage and silver roof. Those models include the green one from the 37362 Set, the 37347/29814 and the one from the 29680 Set.

Ae 6/6 - D (43400) - 43360 (A) - 43360 (A) - 43390 (WR) - 43370 (B) - 43380 (B) - 43370

The 37044 green Re 4/4I could be used buy from what I remember, it came with an era IV revision date.

Regards

Mike C
Offline foumaro  
#12 Posted : 08 March 2021 06:03:32(UTC)
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Is the 43389 set suitable to run with the 39422 marklin Re 4/4 I i got recently?
Offline marklinist5999  
#13 Posted : 08 March 2021 11:33:49(UTC)
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Piko has a 2 unit set with baggage car. It's a powered SBB rail car. AC digital expert version available. You could add the Marklin cars by exchanging the couplers via the nem sockets. It is dcc mfx universal.. Led interior lights.
Offline mike c  
#14 Posted : 08 March 2021 17:23:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: foumaro Go to Quoted Post
Is the 43389 set suitable to run with the 39422 marklin Re 4/4 I i got recently?



The Re 4/4I in blue existed for a short period of time between 1957 and 1959. It would likely have seen operation with lightsteel coaches.
The only thing would be that the ABt pilot coaches were rebuilt out of Lightsteel B (2nd class) coaches and were built long after the Re 4/4I in question was repainted in green.

Maerklin has never made a pilot coach that would be suitable for any period prior to the mid-1970s.
If you can find one of the RailTop EWI ABt pilot coaches (often at crazy prices) or the Aku Lightsteel ABt, either would be suitable for a Re 4/4I (1st Series) for an earlier period. (ABt Lightsteel from delivery, EWI ABt from 1959)

Heris announced a reissue of the RailTop model under the Heris banner in 2017. (Crickets). LS Models announced new pilot coach models, including the EW ABt in 2019.

Additional note: The Pilot coaches with red faces were only introduced in the early 1980s for use in Zurich S-Bahn traffic and this design was taken from the NPZ RBDe 4/4 (560) design.

As far as the rest of the 43889 set, the coaches (other than pilot coach) can be used with the locomotive, even though the revision dates printed on the coaches are from the 1980s. The 42165 set or similar coaches from Start sets (with silver roof) are more suitable for the life of that locomotive in blue.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline foumaro  
#15 Posted : 09 March 2021 04:31:25(UTC)
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I will running the combo without the pilot coach with the blue loco.I have the 37437 Ae 6/6,i will running all the combo with her plus the 43874 restaurant car i bought for the Riviera Express.
Offline marklinist5999  
#16 Posted : 09 March 2021 08:12:26(UTC)
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I realize some may want to run only prototypical consists. Surely SBB trains do not run on the BLS, but I shall.
I have just recently added a Bietschstahl bridge to my new layout. I have no BLS trains. Only SBB. A Gotthard panorama, older lightweight coaches by Roco, a few freight cars and a rolling road. Motive power for my hybrid d.c. analog/AC digital scene are Hammo croc., an 8360 re 460 Hammo, a brown Seetal croc, digital, and the new re 4/4 37473 Munich to Zurich. I will also operate my DB stock on it. From steamers to ICEs. Vectron MRCE, TEE rheinfel and Helvetia pulled by a br 103 or 120.
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Offline foumaro  
#17 Posted : 09 March 2021 08:40:01(UTC)
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I am trying to have prototypical constists but it is not absotutelly a must for me,it is just a game.BigGrin
Offline rbw993  
#18 Posted : 09 March 2021 19:06:16(UTC)
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Actually SBB trains do run on the BLS and vice versa. Part of that is due to the division of passenger services by contract between SBB and BLS. The open access agreements also allow operators to run their trains on rails that are not their own. Lastly there can be traffic reroutes due to accidents, maintenance or natural impediments.

Regards,
Roger
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Offline marklinist5999  
#19 Posted : 10 March 2021 11:05:52(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rbw993 Go to Quoted Post
Actually SBB trains do run on the BLS and vice versa. Part of that is due to the division of passenger services by contract between SBB and BLS. The open access agreements also allow operators to run their trains on rails that are not their own. Lastly there can be traffic reroutes due to accidents, maintenance or natural impediments.

Regards,
Roger
As I was browsing Instagram last night, I saw a TGV duplex traveling in Switzerland.

Offline mike c  
#20 Posted : 13 March 2021 05:07:01(UTC)
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I did some research and the proper coaches for the 39422 Blue Re 4/4I would be the 43360/70/80/90/43400, which represented the train around 1960. The 42165 Set could also be used (1955-1960) as well as the 43362/72/82/92/43402 models.

A matching pilot coach was available from AKU (Era III)

Regards

Mike C

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Offline foumaro  
#21 Posted : 13 March 2021 05:18:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
I did some research and the proper coaches for the 39422 Blue Re 4/4I would be the 43360/70/80/90/43400, which represented the train around 1960. The 42165 Set could also be used (1955-1960) as well as the 43362/72/82/92/43402 models.

A matching pilot coach was available from AKU (Era III)

Regards

Mike C



Thank you very much,i will try to find them in the near future,meantime i will running the loco with a small commersial combo i allready have.

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Offline foumaro  
#22 Posted : 15 March 2021 05:48:58(UTC)
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Finally it was very easy,all the cars with 3337 as extra bonus.What will i do with this loco,she is analog?ThumpUp RollEyes
https://www.ebay.de/itm/...e1bdb:g:qXgAAOSwEcNgOnzA
Offline AshleyH  
#23 Posted : 15 March 2021 06:27:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: foumaro Go to Quoted Post
Finally it was very easy,all the cars with 3337 as extra bonus.What will i do with this loco,she is analog?ThumpUp RollEyes
https://www.ebay.de/itm/...e1bdb:g:qXgAAOSwEcNgOnzA


I think you have found a bargain, well done. The complete consist of coaches for that price, the Ae 6/6 is a free gift!
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Offline foumaro  
#24 Posted : 15 March 2021 09:11:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: AshleyH Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: foumaro Go to Quoted Post
Finally it was very easy,all the cars with 3337 as extra bonus.What will i do with this loco,she is analog?ThumpUp RollEyes
https://www.ebay.de/itm/...e1bdb:g:qXgAAOSwEcNgOnzA


I think you have found a bargain, well done. The complete consist of coaches for that price, the Ae 6/6 is a free gift!


It was a nice shot indeed.I have to decide what i will do with the 3337 locomotive.I have the similar 37437,i will try to sell her.If the loco is analog,i think she is,the number 3337 drives me to this conclusion i have to spend 100 euro plus in order to upgrade her.Maybe she is worth the upgrade,she was like a gift for me to this auction.We will see.BigGrin
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#25 Posted : 15 March 2021 13:12:09(UTC)
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By all means an Upgrade to full digital high efficiency power and sound will even make your 3347 more desirable and valuable if you decide to sell her.
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Offline Timnomads  
#26 Posted : 15 March 2021 13:20:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: rbw993 Go to Quoted Post
Actually SBB trains do run on the BLS and vice versa. Part of that is due to the division of passenger services by contract between SBB and BLS. The open access agreements also allow operators to run their trains on rails that are not their own. Lastly there can be traffic reroutes due to accidents, maintenance or natural impediments.

Regards,
Roger
As I was browsing Instagram last night, I saw a TGV duplex traveling in Switzerland.




Yes there is a TGV Lyria Duplex that continues from Geneva to Lausanne,
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Offline foumaro  
#27 Posted : 15 March 2021 16:22:30(UTC)
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I will keep the locomotive if i will upgrade her.
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