The answer is:NO...!
It depends that Micro Metakit locomotivs needs at least 700 mm radius to negative curves without trouble by driving them.
Theirs locomotivs has also RP25 wheels,which also means not so good by using them at Marklins track like C or and K-tracks.
Specially by driving them over turnouts.
Micro Metakit is only offers locomotivs at DC power,not for AC power...
There is not decoder too in theirs locomotiv,so does even with lightbulbes too...!

Goofy

Indeed Sander...!

I have seen locomotivs at Togcenter,Söborg in Denmark.
Locomotivs are extremely beutiful...! [:p]
But expensive... [xx(]

Goofy

Foer me these are beautiful works of art to be viewed and admired. I am not willing to pay the price for these items.

And I am notv so picky (as has ben discussed in our forum) to be ynhappy with some minor issues with Marklin and Brawa models.

The drawbacks of strict prototype accuracy are too great to actually be of use for me.

But these are pretty to look at.

I once sent a question to them about converting to running on a Märklin layout, and the answer was a bit discouraging since the idea itself was ridiculed by the M-M representative - "We don't make toy trains"... Needless to say, since then I have never been able to take them seriously after that even if they do make very nice and detailed models... I found them too snotty to be taken seriously.

That is the point, they make "models" that look stunning - not any useful stuff for running on a layout...

There is a Swedish company called Brimalm who makes models in the same class, or better, but these you can run on wide radius layouts.
http://www.brimalm.com/eng/index.php

This is most valuable information. Thanks, Juhan
What idiots. So old me too will send 'em into the desert ... [}:)]

Micro-Metakit make scale museum quality models, Marklin, Brawa etc make toy trains to a lesser standard of accurracy and detail.

Anything is possible, and conceptually you could convert a M-M locomotive to 3 rail, however, the issue you would have would be with pointwork. They would derail just about everytime because the flanges are so fine.

The Brawa S2/6 was a combined effort between M-M and brawa so anything is possible.

This however does not excuse their high and mighty attitude, but then what more can you expect from rivet counters!

Are there any other companies that deal with high accurate models and are usable on Marklin tracks?

I would say that Brawa are highly accurate models.

The clas Om open wagon has fullish interior details (the wagon sides have planking and door representations)

Their box and passenger cars are little gems.

They look good, run good, but are not designed for a lot of handling. Care needs to be taken when picking them up.

John

Juhan, and others, since it is highly unlikely that I will happen to run into a Micro-Metakit representative any time soon, and since I find such behavior by any type of salesperson abominable, here's one of three different things I wish one of you guys will do in my stead:

After the snotty "We don't make toy trains..." comment, either:

1. Ask the salesperson: "Is your model motorized so that it can run on H0 Scale track?"
Rep: "Yes." You: "Then my dear fellow, you have made a toy train."

2. Ask the salesperson: "Is your model built to 1:1 proportion, and designed with the express purpose of hauling revenue-generating rolling stock?" Rep: "Of course not." You: "Then my dear fellow, you have made a toy train."

3. (This is my favorite, and if I could afford this, I would do it in heartbeat!) Immediately following the snotty comment, buy the locomotive right there on the spot, in cash. Have the salesperson hold the box for you as you make a great show of putting on the white gloves, as if you were about to pick up the Hope Diamond instead of a toy train. Lift the locomotive out of the box, admire it for a second, then carefully place it on the floor and stomp it as flat as you can with the bottom of your shoes! [}:)] Carefully, again with the white gloves, pick up the remains of the locomotive and present them as a gift to the sales rep "As a token of my appreciation for your extreme arrogance." Give them back the gloves, but tell them you are going to keep the nice box to store your Märklin S3/6.

If anyone actually tries #3, PLEASE send me a video of the proceedings. I love watching the expression on the face of such people when they realize that the subject of there extreme arrogance really doesn't matter to most of the rest of the world!

Don

Our member Jeremy Palmer has asked me to publish this, an enquiry and the answer from Brimalm - the Swedish manufacturer of real model trains...


Från: Jeremy Palmer [xxxx@xxxx.net]
Skickat: den 2 februari 2009 12:47
Till: order@brimalm.com
Ämne: General

Good Afternoon,

PLEASE go to marklin-users.net and look for the topic “Micro Meta Kit”. They were approached for three rail models and their reply was astounding.

There are quite a few of us who are looking for high quality 3 rail models and your company has been mentioned. PLEASE!!

I know you are busy but appreciate that you might take the time......

Yours sincerely,
Jeremy Palmer.

The answer from Brimalm is like this (It seems to be ok by Mr C. Brimalm to publish it):

Dear Mr Palmer,

I have looked at the discussion at this forum and would like to make some short comments.

Like Micro Meta Kit we have build since 1992 brass models conforming to what you might call “fine scale” standard.

This means, among other things, that the wheel profile is much finer than on Marklin wheels. Also, the minimum standard curve radius specified for our models is 600 mm. (Some smaller ones will take 450 mm curves). The models are built for 2-rail pick-up.

Can these models be modified to run on Marklin track?

Yes, we can put a current pick-up shoe under the loco (sometimes at the expense of brake linkage details etc) and make it run on Marklin C-track with large radius curves and long switches. Electrically it is no problem nowadays thanks to multi-protocol decoders. But it will be a compromise solution that might satisfy a collector who will take down his loco only now and then to watch it run for a while. It will most probably not satisfy a “runner”, because the operation over switches will be somewhat uncertain and bumpy. Therefore we do not precisely market our brass models other than for 2-rail AND for fine scale track. We feel in order to market models for Marklin they should be fully compatible with the Marklin system in every way, including being able to run on the old track models and narrow curves. And to make this possible the model must be designed according to Marklin specifications from the start.

We are now, however, launching a new line of models with new technology and in a new price bracket (for us). We call this new product line “Brimalm Komposit”. These models with still be very fine models, but they will not be hand-built in brass, but produced with more “industrial “ techniques, having zinc (mazac) casted bodies and frames and cast small details in brass and plastic. These models will be offered for Marklin too – and in that case fully up to Marklin technical specifications in all respects.

The first of these models will be the Swedish State Railways veteran electric Class D. Please have a look at our new home-page which will be published in about a weeks time.

And please do not hesitate to write again if you have any questions. Feel free to quote from my letter in your forum.

Best regards,
Christer Brimalm

P.S. I would not dream of looking down on Marklin models and call them toys. (I even collect old Marklin trains myself with great enjoyment.) Marklin or Fine Scale – it is a matter of two different specification systems (or model philosophies if you will). Both have their advantages and disadvantages and it is up to the customer to decide which type will be most satisfactory for him.




I must say that I am personally now contemplating a Brimalm loco, just to support their efforts... I was close to buying their Swedish F steamer some years ago, but I did not have the means to do it back then and I realized it would not run on a small M layout - but it would have made a heck of a very detailed display model...

[We are now, however, launching a new line of models with new technology and in a new price bracket (for us). We call this new product line “Brimalm Komposit”. These models with still be very fine models, but they will not be hand-built in brass, but produced with more “industrial “ techniques, having zinc (mazac) casted bodies and frames and cast small details in brass and plastic. These models will be offered for Marklin too – and in that case fully up to Marklin technical specifications in all respects.

The first of these models will be the Swedish State Railways veteran electric Class D. Please have a look at our new home-page which will be published in about a weeks time.

And please do not hesitate to write again if you have any questions. Feel free to quote from my letter in your forum.

Best regards,
Christer Brimalm

P.S. I would not dream of looking down on Marklin models and call them toys. (I even collect old Marklin trains myself with great enjoyment.)]


Below is from Juhan!!

I must say that I am personally now contemplating a Brimalm loco, just to support their efforts... I was close to buying their Swedish F steamer some years ago, but I did not have the means to do it back then and I realized it would not run on a small M layout - but it would have made a heck of a very detailed display model...