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MrB32  
#1 Posted : 08 August 2017 17:17:15(UTC)
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Hello everyone,

I couldn't find a list of manufacturers of Marklin compatible locomotives on the forum, so thought I would compile one. If there is one somewhere already, apologies in advance.
By compatibility, I mean that the locomotives come pre configured from the factory, so can run on Märklin layouts out of the box. Obviously, on most sites you will need to select the right configuration (i.e.: AC, Wechselstrom, Courant Alternatif etc...), and check the minimum radius to ensure compatibility with your setup.
I am not including defunct manufacturers.

This list makes me feel less lonely now BigGrin

Happy to expand/correct the list on request.
Hope this is helpful to some

A.C.M.E. - Italian models
http://www.acmetreni.it/index.php/en/
Artitec - Dutch models
https://www.artitecshop.com/en/trains/
B-models - Benelux models (brand of Vanbiervielt - Belgian models)
http://www.b-models.be
BEMO - German and Swiss models
http://www.bemo-modellbahn.de/?no_cache=1
Brawa - predominantly German Models
https://www.brawa.de/pro...tiven/diesellokomotiven/
Brekina - mainly German rail busses
http://brekina.de/de/mod...zeuge/ne-81-h0-massstab/
Electrotren - Spanish models (Hornby is currently reorganising its brands under the Hornby.com site, not showing any AC models at the moment)
http://www.hornbyinternational.com/
ESU - Predominantly German models
http://www.esu.eu/produkte/engineering-edition/
Fleischmann - Predominantly German models
http://www.fleischmann.de/
Friho - Swiss models
http://www.friholenk.ch
Fulgurex - Limited series concentrating on France, Germany and Switzerland
http://www.fulgurex.ch
Guetzold - German models
http://www.guetzold.de
Hag - Swiss models
http://www.hag.ch/de/home/
Heljan - Scandinavian and German models
http://www.heljan.dk/shop/frontpage.html
Hobbytrade - Danish models
http://hobbytrade.dk/
Ibertren - Spanish models
http://www.ibertren.es/index.php
Jaegerdorfer - Austrian models
http://www.jaegerndorfer...index.php/news-eisenbahn
Jeco - Swedish models
http://www.jeco.se
Lemke/Mehano/Hobbytrains - Multiple countries covered through their brands (set filter on the page to Stromart -> AC)
http://www.lemkecollection.de/de/Spur-H0
LE Models - Italian models
http://www.lemodels.it/en/
Liliput - German models including tramways/
http://liliput.de/en/products/liliput/h0.html
Lima - covering multiple countries (Hornby is currently reorganising its brands under the Hornby.com site, not showing any AC models at the moment)
http://www.hornbyinternational.com/
Lsmodels - France, Benelux and more limited series
http://www.lsmodels.com/Pages/General_F/Home_F.htm
Mabartren - Spanish models
http://www.mabar.es/
McK - McK - Danish models
http://mck-h0.dk
Retiring in April 2019 - Morep - Swiss models limited editions
http://morep.ch/index.php
MTH - North American models
http://mthtrains.com/search/marklin
NMJ - Norwegian models
http://en.nmj.eu
NPE - German, French, Italian models
http://www.npe-modellbau.de
ÖBB Werbung - Austrian models
https://shop.oebb.at/modelle/zugmodelle.html
Olaerts - Benelux models
http://www.treinshopolae...og/index.php?language=fr
OS.KAR - Italian models (ask before buying)
http://www.oskartrains.i...ex.php/catalogo-on-line/
Piko - German and Benelux models
http://www.piko-shop.de/...id=24&vw_name=detail
RailAd - Austrian company producing advertisement Locomotives (currently German, Slovenian and Tchec models)
http://www.railad.at
REE - French models
https://www.ree-modeles.com
Rivarossi - Mainly Italian models (Hornby is currently reorganising its brands under the Hornby.com site)
http://www.hornbyinternational.com/
Rocky Rail - Dutch models
http://rocky-rail.com
Roco - German, Austrian, Benelux and more
http://www.roco.cc/en/home/index.html
Sudexpress - Portuguese prototypes, including CIWL, in cooperation with LS Models
https://www.sudexpressmodels.eu/
Tillig - Railbus models Germany
https://www.tillig.com/Triebfahrzeuge.html

Edited by user 12 January 2019 22:29:54(UTC)  | Reason: Added information about MOREP

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Offline Jabez  
#2 Posted : 08 August 2017 19:08:26(UTC)
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Thanks, a handy list.
To avoid any confusion I think you should retitle it as a list of mnfrs who offer Marklin compatible locos. In theory unpowered HO rolling stock from any mnfr is compatible with Marklin although some may require wheelset changes for trouble-free running.
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Offline Thewolf  
#3 Posted : 08 August 2017 20:13:02(UTC)
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In my native country (belgium) there is also Olaerts

http://www.treinshopolae...og/index.php?language=fr

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MrB32  
#4 Posted : 08 August 2017 20:17:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Thewolf Go to Quoted Post
In my native country (belgium) there is also Olaerts

http://www.treinshopolae...og/index.php?language=fr

Thewolf


Thanks Thewolf, Updated.
MrB32  
#5 Posted : 08 August 2017 20:18:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Jabez Go to Quoted Post
Thanks, a handy list.
To avoid any confusion I think you should retitle it as a list of mnfrs who offer Marklin compatible locos. In theory unpowered HO rolling stock from any mnfr is compatible with Marklin although some may require wheelset changes for trouble-free running.
Jabez


Thank you, good point, have updated the post.
Offline Thewolf  
#6 Posted : 08 August 2017 21:50:52(UTC)
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Sory ..I have forgotten..also in Belgium ..

http://www.vanbiervliet.com/news.htm

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Offline mike c  
#7 Posted : 08 August 2017 21:52:11(UTC)
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You forgot the following that may have AC models in their catalogues:
B Models (Belgium): G-2000 Diesels, etc
Hobbytrain (various models)
Hobbytrade (various models)
Mehano (various models)

There was also Railtop (2002-2010)

Lima made a number of AC models in the late 1980s and 1990s. Today, only a few models are made in 3 rail version. Most of those are under the Lima Expert label.
There are also Small producers who make AC models. Most of the ones that I know are Swiss, but there are also Austrian, German and other companies out there:
Companies, like Friho (Lenk), Hui Modellbau, Sigg Modell, Renfer (Morep.ch), etc

For some companies (e.g. Hornby Group), more info on European and AC models might be found on the German version of the site than on the Italian, French or English (International) versions.

There are also companies who make AC models of non-European models like MTH

Edited by moderator 08 October 2019 06:17:51(UTC)  | Reason: Removed quoting of entire first post

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Offline Thewolf  
#8 Posted : 08 August 2017 21:56:39(UTC)
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In addition of the comment of Micke C Cool

the website of B Models (belgium)

http://www.b-models.be/
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#9 Posted : 08 August 2017 22:14:04(UTC)
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Made topic 'Sticky', so that it appears at or near the top of the H0 sub forum.
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MrB32  
#10 Posted : 08 August 2017 22:17:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
You forgot the following that may have AC models in their catalogues:
B Models (Belgium): G-2000 Diesels, etc
Hobbytrain (various models)
Hobbytrade (various models)
Mehano (various models)

There was also Railtop (2002-2010)

Lima made a number of AC models in the late 1980s and 1990s. Today, only a few models are made in 3 rail version. Most of those are under the Lima Expert label.
There are also Small producers who make AC models. Most of the ones that I know are Swiss, but there are also Austrian, German and other companies out there:
Companies, like Friho (Lenk), Hui Modellbau, Sigg Modell, Renfer (Morep.ch), etc

For some companies (e.g. Hornby Group), more info on European and AC models might be found on the German version of the site than on the Italian, French or English (International) versions.

There are also companies who make AC models of non-European models like MTH


Thanks, I updated the list. from the UK, I cannot access the Hornby Germany site so left this one out.

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#11 Posted : 11 August 2017 02:10:35(UTC)
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Interesting to note that the assorted websites for Hornby International Brands in Italy and Germany seem to be offline and linking to the Hornby UK site.
This includes Hornby-Arnold-Rivarossi in Germany, Hornby Italia (Rivarossi) and Lima Expert in Italy.

Regards

Mike C

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#12 Posted : 11 August 2017 09:24:54(UTC)
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Great list thanks. Jeco (http://www.jeco.se) is a Swedish manufacture of mostly Swedish models for both 2 and 3 rail, thanks.

D.
Offline H0  
#13 Posted : 11 August 2017 10:07:36(UTC)
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Hi!

You can include Trix on the list. They didn't make many locos for Märklin three-rail under the Trix brand since Märklin bought the company, but there are some.
They also make locos for Trix three-rail.
Regards
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Offline Volkan  
#14 Posted : 11 August 2017 11:08:44(UTC)
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Dear MrB32;
Such a great list. And very handy I believe.
As an input to the post, We all should be aware that some models do need minimum radius. Marklin's minimum radius of 360 MM is creating a problem for some models. Not only locos, but for the wagons; as well. So the statement of Jabez as;

QUOTE
In theory unpowered HO rolling stock from any mnfr is compatible with Marklin although some may require wheelset changes for trouble-free running
UNQUOTE

is right but still have issues with the radius.
Please be aware.

Have a nice weekend to all the community.
Volkan
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#15 Posted : 12 August 2017 07:45:14(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Volkan Go to Quoted Post
Marklin's minimum radius of 360 MM is creating a problem for some models. Not only locos, but for the wagons; as well.
The minimum radius for M track is 286 mm, the minimum radius for K track is 295.4 mm.
Some Märklin items have a documented minimum radius of 360 mm - those without specified minimum radius should also handle the smaller radii.
Some MäTrix items have a recommended radius of 400+ mm and some add-on parts may require even larger radii.

The smallest Piko radius is 358 mm, the smallest Roco radius is 358 mm.
But it's true that not all Roco items can handle these small radii and Märklin R2 might be required.
With other brands (MTH comes to mind) the minimum radii might be needed (Märklin R3 or even R4).

Do not trust the minimum radii given by the manufacturers - sometimes the items can take sharper curves than specified.

Yes, pay attention to the radii. Märklin R2 is the minimum radius I use.
Regards
Tom
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Offline nmbssncb  
#16 Posted : 16 August 2017 16:39:18(UTC)
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Thanks for the list.

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MrB32  
#17 Posted : 03 December 2018 05:55:45(UTC)
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I changed the entry for Sudexpress (new website and content). If any of you come across other makes, I'll gladly add it to the list.
MrB32  
#18 Posted : 13 December 2018 03:41:30(UTC)
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Added Ibertren, current models engineered for easy conversion by purchasing their optional pick-up shoe, according to product details.
Offline didinieki  
#19 Posted : 02 August 2019 08:54:14(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Volkan Go to Quoted Post
Dear MrB32;
Such a great list. And very handy I believe.
As an input to the post, We all should be aware that some models do need minimum radius. Marklin's minimum radius of 360 MM is creating a problem for some models. Not only locos, but for the wagons; as well. So the statement of Jabez as;

QUOTE
In theory unpowered HO rolling stock from any mnfr is compatible with Marklin although some may require wheelset changes for trouble-free running
UNQUOTE

is right but still have issues with the radius.
Please be aware.

Have a nice weekend to all the community.
Volkan


It*s not only the radius that produces problems. The probleme using compatible items is well known also in other areas, such as computer area and so on. I do not recommend using compatible items on märklin layouts, the troubles are too numverous to list them all.

The most problems are wrong wheels on locomotives which is very hard to correct und cost expensive, others are incompatible decoders, lightweighted material can not pull any waggons, problems getting voltage into the model, coupling problems, and on and on and on. If you stick with märklin, use märklin to prevent any of these trouble makers. Do not complain on Märklin, if your compatibe items do not run perfectly on Märklin layouts.
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Offline RayF  
#20 Posted : 02 August 2019 09:32:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: didinieki Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Volkan Go to Quoted Post
Dear MrB32;
Such a great list. And very handy I believe.
As an input to the post, We all should be aware that some models do need minimum radius. Marklin's minimum radius of 360 MM is creating a problem for some models. Not only locos, but for the wagons; as well. So the statement of Jabez as;

QUOTE
In theory unpowered HO rolling stock from any mnfr is compatible with Marklin although some may require wheelset changes for trouble-free running
UNQUOTE

is right but still have issues with the radius.
Please be aware.

Have a nice weekend to all the community.
Volkan


It*s not only the radius that produces problems. The probleme using compatible items is well known also in other areas, such as computer area and so on. I do not recommend using compatible items on märklin layouts, the troubles are too numverous to list them all.

The most problems are wrong wheels on locomotives which is very hard to correct und cost expensive, others are incompatible decoders, lightweighted material can not pull any waggons, problems getting voltage into the model, coupling problems, and on and on and on. If you stick with märklin, use märklin to prevent any of these trouble makers. Do not complain on Märklin, if your compatibe items do not run perfectly on Märklin layouts.


Although your loyalty to Marklin is commendable, I have to disagree with your conclusions. I use locomotives and wagons from several different manufacturers and mostly have no problems running them on my Marklin layout alongside my extensive Marklin collection.

The main two items to pay attention to are wheels and couplers.

Wheels can easily be changed on wagons to the "AC" versions which have the correct profile and will work smoothly on Marklin track. AC versions of locomotives will almost certainly already be fitted with the right wheels for Marklin layouts but I would avoid converting DC models unless you really know what you're doing.

Couplers is a subject which can be tricky as some types may be incompatible with others, but this is not only a problem with non-Marklin items. Some older Marklin couplers won't work well with the newer close couplers either. It's a question of swapping couplers around on wagons until you have something that works reliably. I have tried to standardise as far as possible on Marklin close couplers, but others prefer the Roco couplers.

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Offline Unholz  
#21 Posted : 02 August 2019 11:19:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: didinieki Go to Quoted Post
I do not recommend using compatible items on märklin layouts, the troubles are too numverous to list them all.

Sorry, but I regard this comment as strongly exaggerated. I have hundreds of rolling stock units from dozens of manufacturers that run absolutely flawlessly on Marklin C-track. As RayF has already pointed out, wheelsets and couplers can easily be changed, if necessary.

And yes, I am perfectly aware that this is a Marklin users forum - but most of the members here are open-minded towards other interesting products from all over the world. A layout or a collection consisting only of Marklin items would be rather boring IMO - other mothers have cute-looking daughters too. BigGrin
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Offline David Dewar  
#22 Posted : 02 August 2019 11:32:44(UTC)
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I have a Brawa and a Piko loco and both run fine on C track. Coaches that I have from both can be difficult as said with couplers and adding a slider to Brawa coaches for lighting can also cause problems but again this can be worked round. With Marklin you can run without any problems and unless I see something from another manufacturer that I want but cant get from Marklin then I will consider buying it.
Piko does appear to be good value and the detail and quality is good and would probably be my next choice after Marklin.

Marklin being three rail is of course different and it is up to other manufacturers to ensure their items run well on Marklin track if they wish to sell their product in that market and mainly this is the case and allows us a wider choice.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Offline Jabez  
#23 Posted : 02 August 2019 12:47:14(UTC)
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I have Roco and Fleischmann AC locos that run just fine on my C track system. My Fleischmann coaches run particularly sweetly, and that's without even wheelset changes. But in general I think wheelset changes for non Maerklin vehicles are probably wise. A good dealer like MSL will change wheelsets free on purchase.
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#24 Posted : 02 August 2019 20:41:54(UTC)
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Minimum radius is not a question of the track used (well, the track used does have a smallest radius of track sold), but is limited by the minimum radius of the rolling stock and locomotives. So look to the individual model itself to find the minimum radius it is designed for, and then make sure your track that you plan to run that on has a smallest radius that is that or larger.

That said there are exceptions, because not all minimum radius declarations on trains are due to the mechanics of the wheels not being able to go around tighter radii.
Sometimes (eg Märklin ICE 4) the radius requirement comes from the clearance requirements (NEM) around the trackside objects, so that some models will make the tighter bend, but could hit a mast that is at a NEM distance from the rail. Other times (Roco 012 I have) the loco may have no visible indication of any problems running around the tighter bend after all.
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#25 Posted : 02 August 2019 23:55:28(UTC)
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One thing to be careful of is different manufacturers interpretation of the R1 curveConfused . Marklin is 360 mm I have a Liliput L131186 2-6-2 tank loco and the instructions say the R1 = 365 mm. As a result, it does go around 360 mm curves but would not negotiate 5117 points without severe modificationCursing . When tested on a 5202 point, it ran perfectly. With Marklin locos, when you set them on an R1 curve, you can twist the body on the curve and feel free play. With this Liliput, it is rigid, and the cause is the bogies. When I removed the front bogie, I could feel free play. Modification of the rear bogie fixed the running in reverseBigGrin but with the front bogie, i have improved it so that it will run forwards at about 1/2 speed and run well but any faster and it flies offCrying . The front of the chassis stops the outer wheel from moving inwards far enoughGlare . Its a great loco but I would advise anyone buying one to make sure the minimum radius curve point they run it on is R2. Its a bit tough though when you have built your layout using lots of R1 points including the 5140 on my main linesMad .

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Offline franciscohg  
#26 Posted : 03 August 2019 02:01:48(UTC)
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I run many non Marklin locos on my M track layout almost flawlessly from Brawa, Fleischmann, Roco, Gutzold and Liliput.
Main troubles arises from couplers in some locos, hope to solve them with a box of adjustable Roco universal couplers.
Also I have found troubles with front or rear trucks due to the wheels were set to standard DC gauge, easily solved regauging them to M standards.
As for the track radius, I use only 5200 series points to ensure smooth running of even some modern Marlklin items, leaving 5100 series only for some yards.
Agreed that limiting oneself only to Marklin products could be a little boring/frustating.
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#27 Posted : 08 October 2019 05:34:34(UTC)
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I see that Jouef is releasing the Thalys in SAC ! :)
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#28 Posted : 26 March 2020 03:35:02(UTC)
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Great post. Thx
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#29 Posted : 26 March 2020 09:50:51(UTC)
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Great post. Thx


Just a heads-up, the "Thank/Like" button is preferred if you simply want to acknowledge appreciation - helps keep the threads a bit shorter ThumpUp
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Offline Michael4  
#30 Posted : 26 March 2020 23:48:16(UTC)
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I don't suppose any of the above still produce any analogue AC locos?
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#31 Posted : 02 May 2020 21:58:34(UTC)
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Micro-Metakit in Landshut, Bavaria?
Offline applor  
#32 Posted : 03 May 2020 05:48:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Michael4 Go to Quoted Post
I don't suppose any of the above still produce any analogue AC locos?


Considering that digital locos can be run in analog mode, it makes no sense.

They usually offer either a standard digital and premium digital with sound, so just buy the standard digital to run in analog mode.
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#33 Posted : 03 May 2020 15:58:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Michael4 Go to Quoted Post
I don't suppose any of the above still produce any analogue AC locos?


Considering that digital locos can be run in analog mode, it makes no sense.

They usually offer either a standard digital and premium digital with sound, so just buy the standard digital to run in analog mode.


I enjoy using controllers 6600 and 6699. I understand that these are incompatible with digital locos run in analogue mode, hence the question.
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#34 Posted : 03 May 2020 18:52:47(UTC)
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It*s not only the radius that produces problems. The probleme using compatible items is well known also in other areas, such as computer area and so on. I do not recommend using compatible items on märklin layouts, the troubles are too numverous to list them all.

The most problems are wrong wheels on locomotives which is very hard to correct und cost expensive, others are incompatible decoders, lightweighted material can not pull any waggons, problems getting voltage into the model, coupling problems, and on and on and on. If you stick with märklin, use märklin to prevent any of these trouble makers. Do not complain on Märklin, if your compatibe items do not run perfectly on Märklin layouts.


Although your loyalty to Marklin is commendable, I have to disagree with your conclusions. I use locomotives and wagons from several different manufacturers and mostly have no problems running them on my Marklin layout alongside my extensive Marklin collection.

The main two items to pay attention to are wheels and couplers.

Wheels can easily be changed on wagons to the "AC" versions which have the correct profile and will work smoothly on Marklin track. AC versions of locomotives will almost certainly already be fitted with the right wheels for Marklin layouts but I would avoid converting DC models unless you really know what you're doing.

Couplers is a subject which can be tricky as some types may be incompatible with others, but this is not only a problem with non-Marklin items. Some older Marklin couplers won't work well with the newer close couplers either. It's a question of swapping couplers around on wagons until you have something that works reliably. I have tried to standardise as far as possible on Marklin close couplers, but others prefer the Roco couplers.


I would agree with Ray completely here. I have a spattering of multiple brands including significant amount of Piko and Roco, and in regards to Piko, multiple locomotives and the ICE 4, I've not an issue with any of them on my C track, the key reason being the wheels. Aside from the locomotives, which obviously come equipped with AC wheels (and as mentioned by Ray), is that I swap out for AC wheels, all of my rolling stock. Same with couplers, I did find it extremely difficult to standardize down to one coupler also based on current designs, but have gotten down to two, the Marklin close coupler and the Marklin loop (72060) coupler. I've found on some tank cars, the short coupler is just too short and also tends to work better with older style couplers of other rolling stock than the newer, shot coupler design. At least thats my experience.

On a side note, on Ray's comment regarding some people prefer Roco couplers for standardization, after I swap my couplers (Piko, Roco etc for Marklin), I list them on eBay and whilst Piko couplers aren't an especially big seller, Roco couplers never seem to last very long, so something could be said for people using said Roco couplers for standardisation purposes.

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And yes, I am perfectly aware that this is a Marklin users forum - but most of the members here are open-minded towards other interesting products from all over the world. A layout or a collection consisting only of Marklin items would be rather boring IMO - other mothers have cute-looking daughters too. BigGrin


Absolutely true!! I am a big fan of tank cars personally, and both Roco and Piko have many fine examples that Marklin just doesn't produce.
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#35 Posted : 04 May 2020 00:56:44(UTC)
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I am a big fan of tank cars personally, and both Roco and Piko have many fine examples that Marklin just doesn't produce.


I try to stick with with Märklin when I can but sometimes you don't have much choice.

I have had my 241.A.65 for several years while waiting for them to make some coaches that would be appropriate for it, like perhaps the metal body Orient Express coaches from the 30's. But last year all they did was paint the old teak wood 1920's coaches in blue and pretend that they are the newer ones. How weak of an effort is that?

Märklin seems determined to introduce a whole stream of new locos, but seldom produce any really new coaches, so I am going to have to go somewhere else to have good options. It is either that or just let my 241 keep stealing coaches from other locos when they are not looking. BigGrin
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I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
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#36 Posted : 28 July 2020 20:55:46(UTC)
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Thanks for the list of manufacturers who supply Marklin compatable locos. I'm new to Marklin and never knew that anyone else besides Marklin made locos. MTH appears to be the only company that makes Marklin compatable locos.
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#37 Posted : 29 July 2020 01:04:58(UTC)
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Thanks for the list of manufacturers who supply Marklin compatable locos. I'm new to Marklin and never knew that anyone else besides Marklin made locos. MTH appears to be the only company that makes Marklin compatable locos.


MTH is going out of business. July 2021 is their shutdown date. That being said when they got into HO they did make some 3 rail HO. But as time went on they offered fewer items. I’d say within 3 years of their first 3 rail offering they were no longer offering 3 rail. This is/was to bad as I had planned on buying 3 rail steam.
Items occasionally show up on eBay but MTH is no longer making 3 rail HO.
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#38 Posted : 29 July 2020 12:58:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sjbartels Go to Quoted Post
I am a big fan of tank cars personally, and both Roco and Piko have many fine examples that Marklin just doesn't produce.


I try to stick with with Märklin when I can but sometimes you don't have much choice.

I have had my 241.A.65 for several years while waiting for them to make some coaches that would be appropriate for it, like perhaps the metal body Orient Express coaches from the 30's. But last year all they did was paint the old teak wood 1920's coaches in blue and pretend that they are the newer ones. How weak of an effort is that?

Märklin seems determined to introduce a whole stream of new locos, but seldom produce any really new coaches, so I am going to have to go somewhere else to have good options. It is either that or just let my 241 keep stealing coaches from other locos when they are not looking. BigGrin

the first time Märklin offered a new loco with coaches at the same time (1991) was the French 3317 steam loco 231-995 ETAT with 1st, 2nd and baggage cars and all had short coupling mechanism
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#39 Posted : 30 July 2020 01:36:59(UTC)
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the first time Märklin offered a new loco with coaches at the same time (1991) was the French 3317 steam loco 231-995 ETAT with 1st, 2nd and baggage cars and all had short coupling mechanism


Good point John - I really need to be more patient. ThumpUp

But at the current rate of new passenger coach introductions I may not live long enough to get what I want. BigGrin

Now with the virus of death, all bets are off, for who know how long.

Oh well, I guess it is the striving that ultimately is the fun part and it is good to have goals in tough times. ThumpUp
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
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#40 Posted : 31 July 2020 19:18:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: sjbartels Go to Quoted Post
I am a big fan of tank cars personally, and both Roco and Piko have many fine examples that Marklin just doesn't produce.


I try to stick with with Märklin when I can but sometimes you don't have much choice.

I have had my 241.A.65 for several years while waiting for them to make some coaches that would be appropriate for it, like perhaps the metal body Orient Express coaches from the 30's. But last year all they did was paint the old teak wood 1920's coaches in blue and pretend that they are the newer ones. How weak of an effort is that?

Märklin seems determined to introduce a whole stream of new locos, but seldom produce any really new coaches, so I am going to have to go somewhere else to have good options. It is either that or just let my 241 keep stealing coaches from other locos when they are not looking. BigGrin


Hi, I understand your concerns about the coaches. But having spent a great deal of time researching the EST railway were the majority of these were shedded. I’ve concluded that a large proportion of coaching stock were in fact ex German before and after WW2. War reparations ect. Marklin Orient express set was in fact bang on for the period of the 1920s. The steel coaches all came in in the mid to late Thirties and on the routes from Calais to Paris and Paris To the South of France first. The steel coaches ran with the old wooden vehicles as well!!
You might like to know that Marklin made SNCF EST region coaches for normal express services out of Paris to Strasbourg. They even come with decals with that service on. The coaches are cat number 4244. These did not actually stop running until the mid 1970s, all be it with upgraded bogies and running as RER coaches in the south of France behind a BB7200. I have a picture of this in a Le train magazine.
The 241a locos were all decommissioned in the mid 1950s when the electrification on the est line took place. So the 241a locos would not actually have hauled a great deal of modern stock, although there are some very nice DEV coaches by REE, which although are very expensive are very nice models and would have been seen behind the 241a before they were pushed aside by the BB12000,BB14100,BB16000.
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