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doublereefed		#1 Posted : 06 May 2020 06:33:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/05/2017(UTC) Posts: 33 Location: Utah, Midway		Not a lot of information in English regarding the BR 78. I realize it was primarily a passenger locomotive. But would it have been used like the BR 86 in both passenger, mixed freight, and freight in Era III? Thank you, -Richard

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Alsterstreek		#2 Posted : 06 May 2020 08:53:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/11/2011(UTC) Posts: 5,881 Location: Hybrid Home		It was a pure passenger locomotive, during DB times mainly in suburban service, sometimes equipped for push-pull operations. The English Wikipedia article offers a good synopsis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_T_18
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JohnjeanB		#3 Posted : 06 May 2020 14:14:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,584 Location: Paris, France		Yes because of medium size wheels and symmetric axle layout little coal reserve, speed was good in both directions suitable for suburban shuttle train operation. Cheers Jean
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Jimmy Thompson		#4 Posted : 06 May 2020 14:48:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 763 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		I always wonder if I should dive in... Courtesy Eisenbahnstiftung "Eine pr. T 18 (BR 78) wartet im Bahnhof Gau Algesheim an der linken Rheinstrecke zwischen Bingen und Mainz an der Stückgutrampe. Um das eigentliche Ladegleis zu überbrücken, wurde eine bewegliche Ladebrücke mit Ausziehplatte und Klappe, hier in Ladestellung, über das Gleis gelegt. (1931) Foto: RVM" Do these count? I can imagine that BR 78, in a crunch time might be pressed into any service. Even as a Werkzug: Also Eisenbahnstiftung. "78 273 mit einem Arbeitszug während der Elekrifizierungsarbeiten zwischen Hagen-Hengstey und Hagen-Vorhalle. (09.1963) Foto: Slg. Ulli Sunder" Oh, me and my "Prototype for everything"
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Jimmy Thompson		#5 Posted : 06 May 2020 15:00:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 763 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		Also an example of Expreßgut and Post with a 78 (Eisenbahnstiftung) "78 399 (Bw Friedberg) fährt mit P 1781 in Butzbach ein. Planmäßig sind in dem Zug Wagen für Expressgut- und Postsendungen eingestellt. (03.04.1965) Foto: Helmut Röth" I am drifting a bit towards the 78 being used primarily for passenger and commuter shuttle, but also, occasionally for a range of other duties as seen fit
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H0		#6 Posted : 06 May 2020 15:43:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,466 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson Also an example of Expreßgut and Post with a 78 (Eisenbahnstiftung) The number P 1781 indicates that this is a passenger train. The three cars behind the loco may all be mail cars. This is not a freight train.
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Jimmy Thompson		#7 Posted : 06 May 2020 15:50:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 763 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		Good point Tom, I have troubles as to whether Expreßgut/Post are freight or passenger or mixed. Oy! This one however: "078 246 mit Ng 17255 (Tübingen ab 8.30 Uhr - Horb an 9.37 Uhr) am Neckarufer bei Rottenburg. (20.04.1974) Foto: Dieter Kempf" Eisenbahnstiftung again even though a bit out of the Ep III range - can we use it as an example anyway?
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Alsterstreek		#8 Posted : 06 May 2020 15:51:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/11/2011(UTC) Posts: 5,881 Location: Hybrid Home		Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson "Eine pr. T 18 (BR 78) wartet im Bahnhof Gau Algesheim an der linken Rheinstrecke zwischen Bingen und Mainz an der Stückgutrampe. Um das eigentliche Ladegleis zu überbrücken, wurde eine bewegliche Ladebrücke mit Ausziehplatte und Klappe, hier in Ladestellung, über das Gleis gelegt. (1931) Foto: RVM" Yes, but not era III as per initial post. ;0)
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Jimmy Thompson		#9 Posted : 06 May 2020 15:52:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 763 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		Apologies...I have drifted thither and yon,
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JohnjeanB		#10 Posted : 06 May 2020 15:52:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,584 Location: Paris, France		Yes Jimmy there are exception for locos at the end of their life Here is a slightly off-topic example of a beautiful French loco made for 200 km/h runs with a 5800 kW power made for Capitole trains (Paris- Toulouse) and finishing its life with less noble activities thanks to its two-gears transmission. Also thanks for your pictures as they give me an excuse for my error here. It is a BR 78 (in KPEV livery) in charge of a Rolling Highway (Rollende Lanstrasse). Shocking it never happened except on my layout. I am sorry Cheers Jean
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Jimmy Thompson		#11 Posted : 06 May 2020 15:57:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 763 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		Jean, Not shocking to me! And here is another one for review: "78 026 (Bw Karlsruhe) biegt mit einem Nahgüterzug in Graben-Neudorf in Richtung Bruchsal ab. (02.09.1961) Foto: Helmut Röth" And in the Era III range
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H0		#12 Posted : 06 May 2020 15:59:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,466 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson Eisenbahnstiftung again even though a bit out of the Ep III range - can we use it as an example anyway? That photo is from 1974. Steam service ended in 1977, for passenger trains already 1975. In the final years of steam service when the small steamers had been scraped, larger steamers ran services that formerly were the domain of small steamers. Such services may or may not have occurred in era III already. There is always an excuse for unusual trains on your layout.
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Alsterstreek		#13 Posted : 06 May 2020 15:59:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/11/2011(UTC) Posts: 5,881 Location: Hybrid Home		Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson Apologies...I have drifted thither and yon, Not at all, those are all great examples. Originally Posted by: JohnjeanB Yes Jimmy there are exception for locos at the end of their life. Originally Posted by: H0 There is always an excuse for unusual trains on your layout. Exactly.
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doublereefed		#14 Posted : 06 May 2020 16:53:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/05/2017(UTC) Posts: 33 Location: Utah, Midway		Jimmy and all, THANK YOU. I really appreciate the informed conversation... and the photos. It's easy to use Google Translate on info like this, but hard to figure out how to do searches. Thanks again.

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Jimmy Thompson		#15 Posted : 06 May 2020 18:19:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2019(UTC) Posts: 763 Location: Florida Classic but Successful Swampland City		You are welcome! That is what we are here for - friends helping one another
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grnwtrs		#16 Posted : 06 May 2020 19:43:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/06/2005(UTC) Posts: 669 Location: El Sobrante, California		Originally Posted by: doublereefed Not a lot of information in English regarding the BR 78. I realize it was primarily a passenger locomotive. But would it have been used like the BR 86 in both passenger, mixed freight, and freight in Era III? Thank you, -Richard Thanks for the really nice photo. I don't know how to do one. I have since got a I phone 11 this past Dec 2019. Anyway your photo and info as to usage is great. I" looking for the proper passenger cars, but they seem to "current" for the MA 55077 (class 078 steam DB) I have some of the older Marklin freight to run with the s lok so probably that will be my choice for now. Sorry for getting carried away, I really wanted only to complement yo for the terrific photo of the engine Regards, Gene

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