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Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand
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Some time ago in 2013 I purchased from Keesmarklin a used but in as new condition Marklin 37058 Br 59 Steam loco. I had always intended to put sound into this loco and a few years ago I purchased the replacement tender chassis and sound box, and former forum member Pål Paulsen (
pa-pauls
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Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,936 Location: Auckland,
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Hi Dave, the br52 is probably as close as you will get.
Cheers....
Mike
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Joined: 08/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,047 Location: Gold Coast, Australia.
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I stand corrected here but the BR59 I believe was a 3 cylinder loco. In the ESU sound files for Loksound 4 is this on Page 4:
Steam locomotive German Baureihe 58/ BR58.3, 3 cylinders; configurated for Gützold BR 58.3
Article numbers: 55433, Loksound V4.0 65433, Loksound V4.0 M4 55833, Loksound Micro V4.0 55533, Loksound XL V4.0 55333, Loksound L V4.0 |
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Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand
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Originally Posted by: Dave Banks  I stand corrected here but the BR59 I believe was a 3 cylinder loco. I think you are right there young Dave! I misread what Google was telling me, in fact those search results were for another Württemberg locomotive type. The Wiki article on the Württemberg K only mentions the bore sizes of the Low Pressure and High Pressure cylinders but doesn't mention how many there are. I had forgotten that I have pdf copies of the Eisenbahn Journal Dampflok Reports that were published in 1998. Dampflok Report No 6 has the entry for the BR 59 and the article says there were two High Pressure cylinders and one low pressure cylinder, a total of three. So yes, the soundfiles for the BR 58.3 are probably the closest. 
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Joined: 18/11/2008(UTC) Posts: 496 Location: Oakville, Ontario
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz  Originally Posted by: Dave Banks  I stand corrected here but the BR59 I believe was a 3 cylinder loco. I think you are right there young Dave! I misread what Google was telling me, in fact those search results were for another Württemberg locomotive type. The Wiki article on the Württemberg K only mentions the bore sizes of the Low Pressure and High Pressure cylinders but doesn't mention how many there are. I had forgotten that I have pdf copies of the Eisenbahn Journal Dampflok Reports that were published in 1998. Dampflok Report No 6 has the entry for the BR 59 and the article says there were two High Pressure cylinders and one low pressure cylinder, a total of three. So yes, the soundfiles for the BR 58.3 are probably the closest.  Under the K in the description you see 1' F h4v - from my Taschenbuch Deutsche Dampflokomotiven (Handbook of German Steam Locomotives): 1' is a single axle pilot truck that is independent of the main frame F is six driven axles h is superheated steam 4 is the number of cylinders v indicates that the steam goes through two expansions i.e.: high and low pressure cylinders Hope this helps. Cheers, Harold. Edited by user 28 April 2020 18:29:47(UTC)
| Reason: l learned to count! Changed F is five to F is six driven axles. Sorry.
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Originally Posted by: Crazy Harry  F is five driven axles
Umm, F is the 6th letter in the alphabet, so seeing there are 6 main axles this would seem to indicate 6 driven axles. I can see tie bars going across 6 wheels in each photo ...
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Württembergische K
The württ. “K” and later type BR 59 was the only German six coupling loco.
This locomotive for heavy good trains was built for the Geislinger Steige by the Maschinenfabik Esslingen.
The work on the first of there four cylinder locos started in 1917.
Because of the World War I the completition of the first three machines was delayed. These first machines have a little boiler body with a dome and with only one sand box.
The whole series consisted of 44 locomotives of which the last ones were delivered in 1924.
Most of the machines had one great sand box with two filler shutters under a covering in front of the boiler and a smaller sand box behind the dome.
Besides the Geislinger Steige the strongest Deutsche Länderbahn loco with 1.900 hp was put into service at the Austrian Semmering route.
Because of the electrification of the Geislinger Steige these slow-speed machines were scrapped from 1953. |
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan  Originally Posted by: Crazy Harry  F is five driven axles
Umm, F is the 6th letter in the alphabet, so seeing there are 6 main axles this would seem to indicate 6 driven axles. I can see tie bars going across 6 wheels in each photo ... Ooops, it was late last night when I posted. I'll learn to count and then fix the post! Sorry, Harold.
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Joined: 21/05/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,776 Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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I actually converted my BR59 to sound probably 10 years ago with a Loksound 3.0 M4 but I can't remember what project I used. I probably used the wrong one - I will have to check mine now and change it! For a LS 3.0 I think the BR18 sound project is probably the best choice. It is of a similar size and also 4 cylinder compound engine. None of the other projects are 4 cylinder compound.
Since you are using the Loksound 4 you have some other options though, I think your two better options are: Bavarian G 4/5 H Royal Württembergian State Railroad Class Hh |
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This thread has inspired me to revisit my BR59. I have a Marklin BR44 with DCM and a LS4 so I am going to swap decoders with the LS3 in the BR59 and re-do both projects. The LS3 has the correct project for the BR44 which will allow me to do a more appropriate project for the BR59 with a LS4 and its larger project library. |
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Eric, does your BR59 conversion use the 21 pin MTC board from later BR59's / Wurtt K's or did you use the MTC board from Luessi? - https://luessi.ch/eshop/...th=2&product_id=2404I'm a little unsure of some of the connections on the 21 pin MTC board I have, despite the picture on the HGH website ( https://moba-hgh.de/modellbahn/d...estueckungs-schaltplan-3 ). I wasn't able to trace the brown wire on the BR59, it doesn't go to the chassis ground as you would expect. I suspect it might be the return wire for the two front lights (usually coloured orange), as both lights are able to be individually switched with separate functions with the factory decoder - which accounts for the yellow and gray wires. The other wires are: Thin Red - smoke unit contact Thick Red - Pickup Shoe Blue and Green - Motor wires Edited by user 06 May 2020 11:00:17(UTC)
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Joined: 21/05/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,776 Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Hi Dave, I spent 15 minutes typing an extensive reply and then my PC actually hard locked when I went to upload the photo.  Not happy. I'm out of time, so in short: brown is earth, yellow is front light return (to common +, blue wire). The grey/white wire is the front light function. No idea about separate switching of the two front lights, sounds very odd and mine isn't wired like that. Your oher wires are correct. My original conversion was hard wired, my updated conversion today I used a MTC 8 pin socket and plug so I cant help with a MTC 21 board sorry.  |
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Joined: 21/05/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,776 Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Just a quick note that the original decoder board contained the resistors for the LED lights. When wiring in a new decoder, ensure you include a series resistor with the LED lights. If you use a 3rd party PCB such as the Lussi, it is not necessary as the PCB has the resistors on it. edit: Drop me a PM if you want, I can send you my K project. I used the Bavarian G4/5 H project. Edited by user 14 May 2020 01:35:14(UTC)
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