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Offline 5HorizonsRR  
#1 Posted : 21 March 2020 18:20:50(UTC)
5HorizonsRR

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Hi everyone,

A bit of a question for the experts out here. I have a set of OBB passenger coaches in the dark orange with grey window band, which is a livery I love. I'm trying to justify them on my somewhat stringent "SBB and FS only" collection theme as simply "passing through".

So my questions- I'm sure this type of coach found its way through Switzerland or into Italy, but might anyone know the following?

1- What locomotives would pull them in Italy (assuming Italian side of the Brennero?) or Switzerland?
2- If anyone knows, what trains or routes might have made it the whole way as an austrian consist? (vs a mix of stock)

thanks! I would normally search railpictures.net or similar, but the usual searching by country and year doesn't really help in this case!
FS + SBB Era 2-5 and Vintage Marklin
Offline STE-BM  
#2 Posted : 21 March 2020 18:49:56(UTC)
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I’m sure OBB has trains stopping in Bozen, Trento and Verona(via Brennero) from Innsbruck.



https://www.flickr.com/photos/143492776@N05/29925702253
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Offline mike c  
#3 Posted : 22 March 2020 02:21:38(UTC)
mike c

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Dark orange with the grey window band?

Are you referring to the Eurofima coaches with the grey band under the windows? http://www.railfaneurope..._Amoz_61_81_19-71023.jpg

If this is the type you are referring to, they could be found in Switzerland daily, on trains like the Transalpin from Vienna to Basel, the Zuerichsee or the Wiener Walzer.

http://www.polier.ch/ima.../SBB.90-2/SBB-90-056.jpg
http://www.polier.ch/ima.../SBB.90-1/SBB-90-032.jpg

Here in a consist at Brugg: http://bahnbilder-von-ma...tures-large/max00716.jpg

The trains normally ran with an OBB locomotive until Buchs. From Buchs to Zurich or Basel, the train would be pulled by a SBB locomotive (Re 4/4II or Re 6/6). OBB trains would not be found on other routes in Switzerland.

Starting around 1988-89, the coaches started being repainted in a new red/black livery. Around 2000, that livery was replaced by the new "upgrading" livery in red and grey.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline 5HorizonsRR  
#4 Posted : 23 March 2020 05:49:52(UTC)
5HorizonsRR

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Hi Mike, the 1988-2000 red and black is what I meant. But looks like those got around as well? With an RE on the front? (and at that point Im' assuming mixed Red/Green RE?)

thanks in arrears and advance!
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Offline mike c  
#5 Posted : 23 March 2020 14:58:16(UTC)
mike c

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My OBB EC is modelled on the EC Transalpin. The train has existed as a locomotive pulled consist since the 1980s, at first with the orange/grey Eurofima coaches and then with a mix of Eurofima and EC89 coaches in the red livery with black stripe and then finally in the new "Upgrading" red/grey livery.
I have the original C1 Eurofima livery consist from Roco and LS Models. Currently, it consists of LSM Eurofima coaches with a Roco Restaurant coach.
In the red/black livery, my consist is made up of combined Roco, RailTop and LS Models coaches. In keeping with the original, the consist also has a Roco SBB Restaurant (44962/44963) and an Panorama Apm coach (44768).
In the modern Upgrading livery, the consist is made up primarily of RailTop, ACME and Roco coaches. So far, I only have LSM coaches in the EN Zuerichsee night train consist. For the upgrading version of the Transalpin, I have an OBB Restaurant coach (RailTop) and the only SBB coach is the Panorama Apm (74402).
For the past two years, this coach consist has been replaced by one of the new RailJet consists and the Transalpin with Panorama coach has been moved to the EC Zurich to Graz route, so my models now represent that version.

2008: https://www.bahnbilder.d...-zu-laengsten-247605.jpg
2002-2014:
https://bahnbilder.ch/picture/18581
https://bahnbilder.ch/picture/32871
https://bahnbilder.ch/picture/21359
https://bahnbilder.ch/picture/271
https://bahnbilder.ch/picture/1841 (2008 Soccer WM livery)

Railjet: https://bahnbilder.ch/picture/16994

It is sad that many older photos seem to have disappeared from the web as earlier photo sites are no longer maintained or active.
This website may have some photos that would be of interest from earlier periods:

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/...-16th-january-2018/&

Regards

Mike C
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Offline 5HorizonsRR  
#6 Posted : 23 March 2020 16:45:30(UTC)
5HorizonsRR

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This is great Mike, some excellent consist ideas in those photos!

I dug further on my Red/black livery, and it appears with an SBB panorama car and maybe another standard SBB coach in the grey livery we have a set. SHould I see the appropriate Roco models in full 1/87 pop up on ebay I may grab one to spice up the consist.

More importantly- tanks for the image links! They are amazing resources...
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Offline mike c  
#7 Posted : 25 March 2020 04:22:52(UTC)
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