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Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson  The Awesome Alpha Set from Mother M!  .... Jimmy You like it? What type of engine/electronics it has? If it is that old I'm afraid it's not even Delta, am'I Right?
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I believe it is the analogue motor. I would think it could be converted to digital, as the motor will be the same as the smaller loks of Mother M. (3000, 3087, et al.). I am searching a bit deeper; some others may have more info.  Jimmy |
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Thanks Dale, I figured it might be, but years....and years....  Jimmy p. s. Hics! Oh yes I do love it! Alpha (Omega?)  |
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And there was this one for which I can not seem to get my hands on the track plan..  Model Railroader 1978 "A lunar railroad you can model" by Alan Cerny and Bob Hayden:  "Lunar Base Alpha"?? Jimmy |
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I found the track plan for that picture.....
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Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson I always had a hankering to do this with M-Alpha!
Jimmy I definitely want to see that!  - Herman |
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Dale! That's it! Oy! Herman: Space 1999 - we thought we would be there by now... Jimmy |
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Well guys, I have no idea what are you talking about but thanks for info.
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Originally Posted by: Hics Well guys, I have no idea what are you talking about but thanks for info.
Cheers There's two different things being discussed here, both connected by the word "Alpha" The set in the Original post belongs to a children's range of trains made by Marklin in the '90s called Alpha, and which was "sci-fi" related. These were later discontinued and more recently replaced by the "My world" range. Some members were reminded of a British science fiction TV series called "Space 1999" which was set on a future moon base (1999  ). The base in the series was called "Moon Base Alpha" as I recall. I hope this helps to explain the above posts! |
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Originally Posted by: RayF Originally Posted by: Hics Well guys, I have no idea what are you talking about but thanks for info.
Cheers There's two different things being discussed here, both connected by the word "Alpha" ...... aaah, ok. starts making sense now
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Originally Posted by: RayF Some members were reminded of a British science fiction TV series called "Space 1999" which was set on a future moon base (1999 ). The base in the series was called "Moon Base Alpha" as I recall. Yes indeed. And the object at the right hand side of the layout:  is of course an "eagle" transport which was the regular ride for the folks stuck on moon base Alpha.  It seems to me that the M* Alpha was just made to be on this layout. Here's an eagle at 1/72 scale which is close enough for the layout in HO: https://www.amazon.com/A...Space-1999/dp/B00DT32TYKan and just in case the curious want to see the events of 1999 unfold... -Herman |
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In my home country (Poland) Eagle ship was used in an educational program showed around 80-90's called "Pi & Sigma from planet Math". visible on this video at around 1:35
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Originally Posted by: hvc Originally Posted by: RayF Some members were reminded of a British science fiction TV series called "Space 1999" which was set on a future moon base (1999 ). The base in the series was called "Moon Base Alpha" as I recall. Yes indeed. And the object at the right hand side of the layout: is of course an "eagle" transport which was the regular ride for the folks stuck on moon base Alpha. It seems to me that the M* Alpha was just made to be on this layout. Here's an eagle at 1/72 scale which is close enough for the layout in HO: an and just in case the curious want to see the events of 1999 unfold... -Herman Don't ya just hate it when the Earth loses the moon? Edited by moderator 19 December 2019 05:46:45(UTC)
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Don't ya just hate it when the Earth loses the moon? How will I sing "Fly me to the Moon"?  "Fly me to the holographic-representation-of-the-satellite-formerly-known-as-The-Moon" just does not flow quite like the original... |
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And just for a bit of nostalgia at this time of year, reminiscing of years gone by, and fun train times had and having anew... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4ZqLAnnvfw Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays, Fun Festivus... Jimmy |
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Alpha track - forerunner of C-track  |
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Hi, It not very known that Märklin sold the trucks of the ALPHA - line after the end in the Märklin- assortment under the GAMA brand in a dark-grey/silver colour - scheme as "Adventure Truck".  Regards Markus
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Marcus, I did not know that at all...Alpha (Beta) Gama? Also, apparently the dealers got a little promo item (which seems a bit pricey, but may be really rare) in silver = another Alpha-First? (Well after the SchienenZeppelin of course): https://www.ebay.com/itm/MB-Maer...-Inc-Socle-/263001919799 Jimmy |
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Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson Marcus, I did not know that at all...Alpha (Beta) Gama? Also, apparently the dealers got a little promo item (which seems a bit pricey, but may be really rare) in silver = another Alpha-First? (Well after the SchienenZeppelin of course): https://www.ebay.com/itm/MB-Maer...-Inc-Socle-/263001919799 Jimmy That looks like it was probably the Nurnberg Toy Fair item when Alpha was introduced.
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Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Alpha Brochure/Poster from 1991 - very cool that it is in German and English - must have indicated their intended market spread
Interesting that the black (or grey, depending on you PoV) are plain without the neon green windows which I thought all the black items had. I think Alpha had been out for around 3 years at this point. Somewhere I have a tabloid sized 'newspaper' that was done for introduction of Alpha, when only hte red items were in the range. I recall it being 1987 or 88 that I got it.
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Hi This is a funny dual-headed post. For the Märklin part here is an advert of the time Hope you'l like it Cheers Jean |
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson Marcus, I did not know that at all...Alpha (Beta) Gama? Also, apparently the dealers got a little promo item (which seems a bit pricey, but may be really rare) in silver = another Alpha-First? (Well after the SchienenZeppelin of course): https://www.ebay.com/itm/MB-Maer...-Inc-Socle-/263001919799 Jimmy That looks like it was probably the Nurnberg Toy Fair item when Alpha was introduced. Hi, That chrome version was given to the dealers in 1991 when ALPHA was relaunched with the introduction of the black/grey models. It has a funny "original-box": It came in a simple, transparent plastic-bag. GAMA* was a well known toy manufacturer in Germany. Märklin acquired the name when they bought TRIX in 1996. BTW: From mid 1990 ALPHA was produced by PIKO. For some weeks (until the German unification October 3rd 1990) ALPHA was "Made in GDR". Regards Markus * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gama_Toys
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It is actually a design with great foresight of how far Australia has pushed rail technology with coal!
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I have always said that Mother Märklin has been ahead of Her Time! |
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It's mechanically a #3000 br 89.
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...with the single drive rod of the KLVM series. |
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Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson ...with the single drive rod of the KLVM series. I suspect it is probably that chassis (also used in the 'Lucky Pig' millenium loco) rather than the 3000 chassis - although they are probably very similar.
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The Alpha locomotives use a modified chassis from the BR 89, 3104 (also used in several start sets.) (it has no front coupler and the cylinders are cut off)
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Originally Posted by: bph The Alpha locomotives use a modified chassis ...
(it has no front coupler and the cylinders are cut off) No ..... the design incorporates the two cylinders inside the frames (chassis), like many British 0-6-0 designs. You can't see them. :-) Kimball |
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Originally Posted by: bph The Alpha locomotives use a modified chassis ...
(it has no front coupler and the cylinders are cut off) No ..... the design incorporates the two cylinders inside the frames (chassis), like many British 0-6-0 designs. You can't see them. It's still a modified chassis from the 3104 series, but a better phrasing is " part of the cylinders are cut off"  but have a look at the drawings and conclude for yourself 3104 exploded drawing: https://static.maerklin.de/damcontent/a4/a7/a4a7e0b8831e7c76533f35d1a7f847451434542014.pdfAlpha exploded drawing: https://static.maerklin.de/damcontent/96/ec/96ec02c98517761081b3f84206bfec751434541866.pdfIf I remember correctly it's possible to use a 3104 shell on an alpha chassis, its clips on nicely. (i have tried it many years ago, probably had to remove the light but don't remember that detail) Back then a friend of mine had an Alpha, we also tuned the Alpha to go faster. We replaced the anchor with a 35xx series anchor, so the speed was significantly improved and it "needed" the spoilers to stay on the tracks.
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Sort of like Jim Hall and his Chaparral race cars! Pioneers of aero.
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Converted to digital and proudly displayed! 
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Fun with Alpha...  Thanks to my friend Leon for the images Edited by user 28 April 2022 05:45:42(UTC)
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There are so many other things going on in that picture that it took me a bit to realize the train is not actually an Alpha-Class... |
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More Alpha stuff.
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Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson There are so many other things going on in that picture that it took me a bit to realize the train is not actually an Alpha-Class... It's how the locomotive looked before the "alpha guy" took it into the garage and rebuilt it.
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