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Offline chelseadrake  
#1 Posted : 18 October 2012 17:43:11(UTC)
chelseadrake

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I'm to assume that these diner carriages were only on larger trains over longer distances or am I wrong?

just wondering if this #4094 is indeed not much use to me next to many 2-axle wagons and my current theme on short distance travels/freights after all

thanks (and I know I haven't posted for a while, was too many things going on but its starting to wind now tho)
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#2 Posted : 19 October 2012 00:23:44(UTC)
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Hi CD,

Basically dining cars were used only on trains covering a minimum distance. This applied on railway systems worldwide. I guess the minimum may have been 400km (250 miles) or something like that.

Anyway, here is a website that goes into some explanation about the make-up of German trains, and it mentions dining cars.
http://www.dbtrains.com/en/trains/epochIII/F
There are plenty of threads to follow from that.

Of course, you only have to have an imagination to figure out why your dining car runs with 4 wheel vehicles. After all, it is your model railroad world, and you are the boss. BigGrin

regards
Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail (USA and Australia) - 3 rail (English Hornby Dublo) - a few old O gauge.
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Offline chelseadrake  
#3 Posted : 19 October 2012 03:06:20(UTC)
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heh kimball I do not think the dispatcher would be too happy when one of these huge train tries to occupy the station .. it would be way too long for the platform and completely block both ends of the loop in the meanwhile Laugh
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Offline mike c  
#4 Posted : 19 October 2012 04:07:25(UTC)
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I don't know too much about DB standards, but the Swiss had different restaurant coaches that would be used in different trains. There were lightsteel, EWI, RIC (Donauwoerth), EWIII and EWIV diners that were used in international trains (for the Swiss segment) as well as in Intercity, Schnellzug and other trains. Even in a short distance train, eg Zurich to Bern, a diner would be included. Most likely, passengers in the coach would make the whole trip in the diner. During longer trips, places in the dining car had to be reserved by seating. For example, the diner of a Schnellzug to Italy would be detached from the main train in Chiasso (border), so passengers with through bookings would be assigned to an earlier seating while travellers within Switzerland could stay in the diner until arrival at Chiasso.
I would presume that similar situations would have occurred in DB (German) operations. Speisewagen would be used on IC, D-Zug, FD Zug, Schnellzug. Lesser trains might have a halbspeisewagen (Coach with diner section) or an older design diner coach.
Starting in the 1980s, the trend began in both Germany and Switzerland towards prepared foods (sandwiches, etc) served from bistro cars, vending carts or vending machines rather than full restaurant service on board.
So, it would be unlikely to find a 4094 with commuter (silberling) or S-Bahn coaches. A diner coach could be found with UIC-X coaches, TEE coaches, international trains (other railways) on German routes, night trains and charters. Some of those trains could be found on routes primarily used by short distance trains, depending on the route.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 19 October 2012 08:59:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: chelseadrake Go to Quoted Post
I'm to assume that these diner carriages were only on larger trains over longer distances or am I wrong?
Sometimes other coaches where appended to local trains.

Don't put Preiserlings into the Speisewagen, keep it at the end of your 2-axle train and pretend it is being sent for maintenance.

A typically train with such a Speisewagen would not have 2-axle coaches.
Regards
Tom
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Offline Dreadnought  
#6 Posted : 19 October 2012 20:47:16(UTC)
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I have two CIWL Marklin sleepers. I have been wanting to find a dining car of the same era 3 to go with them. Can anyone suggest where I might find a 1950's, 1960's dining car?
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Offline Yumgui  
#7 Posted : 20 October 2012 00:58:06(UTC)
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@Dreadnought,

Märklin 346/2j - 4009, or 346/3j - 4011 :

http://kleintischspielbahn.foru...n-nummer-346-2j-bzw-4009

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^^ ... more 1940s ...

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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#8 Posted : 13 December 2019 19:40:16(UTC)
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Odd (and certainly not critical) question for the 346/2j (so what else is new for odd old me LOL )...

Is it possible to read the destination plate for the 346/2j?

Just curious...Thanks!

Jimmy
Analogue; M-track Inglenook; KLVM; Gauguin+Van Gogh; Wine Barrel Cars
Offline jvuye  
#9 Posted : 14 December 2019 15:24:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson Go to Quoted Post
Odd (and certainly not critical) question for the 346/2j (so what else is new for odd old me LOL )...

Is it possible to read the destination plate for the 346/2j?

Just curious...Thanks!

Jimmy


Only if you read "bar codes" Wink Wink BigGrin

Ma346_2J.JPG

Cheers

Jacques

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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#10 Posted : 14 December 2019 15:28:03(UTC)
Jimmy Thompson

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Jacques,

I might need to have the laser-scanners in my eyes upgraded! LOL

I thought maybe it was just me...

Thanks,

Jimmy
Analogue; M-track Inglenook; KLVM; Gauguin+Van Gogh; Wine Barrel Cars
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