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Offline river6109  
#1 Posted : 04 December 2019 12:28:48(UTC)
river6109

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Hi, when watching train videos around railway stations it has to come to my notice the amount of turnouts is staggering, do you think there ever will be simpler version of trains coming and leaving railway stations which would eliminate a lot of these turnouts.

maybe by streamlining destinations whereas trains will come into certain platform stations for certain trains. maybe shunting could also be limited whereas train consists do not change as often.

in my opinion it must be at least 1/2 hour or more for a train to arrive at the platform and leaving the platform not including disembarking or boarding a train.
you could call it a bottle neck whereas trains arrive and leave in both directions and I think modern railway stations have incorporated the avoidance of bottlenecks and have provided different levels of railway tracks.
having been on trains in June-August this year I've noticed these dilemmas on most railway stations.
As time seems to be the crucial issue with all railway companies there seems to be little done about what I've observed, trains may run faster on the open track side with tunnels being constructed at an enormous cost to comply with environmental issues such as noise but the arrival and departure time out of a railway station seem to take for hours.
Railway companies build tunnels through mountains to gain 15 minutes of the travel time at a cost of billions of Euros. 1 example is the Semmering tunnel, at the moment a highly thought after train journey because of its scenery and it majestic viaducts., this will be all gone when the tunnel is finished and open for service, although the scenic track will be operational for special outings.

Are our cities getting to big to accommodate the public or are railway stations merely serve only a portion of people getting off and on, what I mean by this why not have a long distance train leaving railway station A and doesn't stop until it gets to its destination, having other trains picking up people from city to city and others maybe at a pick up point for long distance trains instead of having the opportunity to get on any train at any given point.
You don't have planes going from 1 continent to another to land at every airport on its flight path.
you have roads these days or highways which do not go through towns
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Offline DaleSchultz  
#2 Posted : 04 December 2019 14:51:20(UTC)
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??? trains often spend 2 or 3 minutes in a station, including boarding time....
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Offline H0  
#3 Posted : 04 December 2019 15:20:14(UTC)
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This may vary from country to country.

In Germany, Deutsche Bahn no longer thinks in coaches, they think in trains. Thus they need fewer platforms and fewer turnouts. Through coaches have been mostly eliminated as they do not suit the trains concept.

At Cologne, the Hohenzollern bridge definitely is a bottle neck and sometimes trains have to wait a few minutes before they can enter or leave central station. But even then they spend much less than half an hour to get through the station.
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Offline river6109  
#4 Posted : 04 December 2019 22:09:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DaleSchultz Go to Quoted Post
??? trains often spend 2 or 3 minutes in a station, including boarding time....


I'm not referring to how long a train stops in a station, I'm referring to approaching a station and than leaving station after boarding has been completed


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Offline DaleSchultz  
#5 Posted : 04 December 2019 22:32:33(UTC)
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me too
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Offline Gregor  
#6 Posted : 05 December 2019 12:02:42(UTC)
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It depends on the philosophy which is chosen.

Turnouts cost money to install and maintain them, but offer flexibility to deal with problems.
But as soon they are maintained poorly, they cause problems and the beneficial effect is gone.

In 2010 there was a study comparing Tokyo station (28 turnouts) with Utrecht station (the central dutch hub, 280 turnouts). The conclusion was that simplicity pays off.

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As a result, the Dutch railways are now removing turnouts in and around stations.

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Offline river6109  
#7 Posted : 05 December 2019 12:22:06(UTC)
river6109

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This was exactly on my mind, so people in the railway business must be aware of it and having far less turnouts must reduce the time you arrive at the platform
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#8 Posted : 05 December 2019 12:33:39(UTC)
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Hi

I know this is an exception but here is a video about Saint Lazare station in Paris (Paris 2nd busiest after Gare du Nord)
- 27 platforms in a Terminus station
- 275 000 passengers/day in approx 600 to 800 trains
- frequently you can see 4 trains departing and 4 trains arriving simultaneously

The number of switches is very large and is (IMO) directly related to the throughput of the station
So yes it could be much simpler but impacting on the performance.
Here the turnaround (time between arrival and departure) of trains could be as little as 3 minutes

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