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danmarklinman
#101
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03 January 2015 16:51:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek
Originally Posted by: danmarklinman
On a slightly different subject. Marklins new 18.5 steam locomotive was I think used by SNCB and SNCF after WW1 as war reparations.
Can any one confirm this as Marklin have done them in the past as a S3/6
During the first procurement phase (numbers 18.401-424, 18.425-434, 18.461-478) between 1908 and 1918, the Maffei company delivered 71 engines, of which 19 moved as reparation to France and Belgium after WW I. Being one of the aforementioned 19 reparation locos, a S3/6 in the brown paint scheme of the former French state railway ETAT pulled the legendary Orient Express. Maerklin offered a model of the latter in Z gauge as part of an Orient Express package.
Source (in German):
http://www.zettzeit.ch/pdf/VuM_01_06.pdf
Thanks for the info. We might just see one in HO with a bit of luck:) I already have 8108 orient express set in Z. I got it from my parents when I was 18!! Many many years ago
I now collect Marklin HO, although an SNCF jumbo in Z with full valve gear would intice me back to Z :)
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04 January 2015 00:32:13(UTC)
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Another V wagon, this time loaded with what appears to be a container of washrooms/toilets?
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04 January 2015 15:07:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow
Another V wagon, this time loaded with what appears to be a container of washrooms/toilets?
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I have seen works trains with these on and a retired DB V100. Now that Marklin have retooled these diesels I woundered if they will do one in track company's such as seco Rail or others!! They did one some years ago for the channel tunnel construction.
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19 January 2015 23:03:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jvuye
Cool model and perfectly in its place in NE France.
Speaking of NE network did you know that it is the only region in France where trains run on the right(side) track, like in Germany ?
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To follow up on this, I found a network map (as of 2006) which indeed shows the right side running.
With acknowledgment to Rail Passion magazine.
It appears that in this modern day, bi-directional running is allowed on the main lines (in red), but the old rules still apply on the secondary lines (in blue).
And you can see at Molsheim/Mutzig south west of Strasbourg, where the right hand running changes to left hand running (and vice versa) by means of a flyover.
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27 November 2019 14:55:48(UTC)
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From BR 01097 (on pg 1 post #17)
I'm sharing the picture we who use Märklin to model the French railway system always hope to find: il ressemble au mistral qui suivi par une série des voitures de grands lignes qui pourraient être prises facilement pour des modèles de #346/3J et #4076.
Still having a bit of trouble selecting the appropriate dining (if there is one) for this consist--maybe one from the DSG.
Sage:
Found this article (en Français) - (you may already know of this; if so, please excuse the repeat):
http://fr.1001mags.com/parution...age-56-57-texte-integral
and the following 5 pages.
I do have a question: Are you bound for your "Mistral" to just our beloved Mother M? (Whisper Mode
On
) I am using the Pocher 206/3 CIWL Pullman and hope to find the Pocher 214/3 CIWL Restaurant. The reason being that the Pocher have no 'destination boards/markings' so I can, well, basically, use them anywhere but especially for
Le Mistral
. (Whisper Mode
Off
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Enjoy!
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29 November 2019 23:30:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson
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From BR 01097 (on pg 1 post #17)
I'm sharing the picture we who use Märklin to model the French railway system always hope to find: il ressemble au mistral qui suivi par une série des voitures de grands lignes qui pourraient être prises facilement pour des modèles de #346/3J et #4076.
Still having a bit of trouble selecting the appropriate dining (if there is one) for this consist--maybe one from the DSG.
Sage:
Found this article (en Français) - (you may already know of this; if so, please excuse the repeat):
http://fr.1001mags.com/parution...age-56-57-texte-integral
and the following 5 pages.
I do have a question: Are you bound for your "Mistral" to just our beloved Mother M? (Whisper Mode
On
) I am using the Pocher 206/3 CIWL Pullman and hope to find the Pocher 214/3 CIWL Restaurant. The reason being that the Pocher have no 'destination boards/markings' so I can, well, basically, use them anywhere but especially for
Le Mistral
. (Whisper Mode
Off
)
Enjoy!
Jimmy
Pocher's Pulmann car + Restaurant car will do , but they are hard to find!
On the other hand there are plenty of Jouef similar coaches that could do the trick, unless you really want to have scale models...which the Märklin coaches aren't anyway.
And then you still need the (blue) generator car that was made by VB
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#107
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29 November 2019 23:34:25(UTC)
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My Pocher Pullman was pure, complete, unadulterated good luck - right time, right place on fleabay!
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And then you still need the (blue) generator car that was made by VB
Talk about "hard to find" Oy!
And I
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VB was the only house to make the generator car (correct?)
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29 November 2019 23:35:56(UTC)
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I now only have the the VB Mistral locomotive, but it may be VB-Lejeune, not sure how to tell the difference. The coaches and and the blue generator car have long since been lost. Too many children!
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29 November 2019 23:37:27(UTC)
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And then you still need the (blue) generator car that was made by VB
Talk about "hard to find" Oy!
Jimmy
I have two of them...that's one too many.
Not cheap either
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29 November 2019 23:59:39(UTC)
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I have two of them...that's one too many.Wink
Not cheap either
Well, you could run 2 trains, one "each way". Or...
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30 November 2019 13:05:10(UTC)
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While on the subject of 'Le Mistral" and the generator wagon, what was its purpose? I
think
I can understand when it was under steam power in its early days, perhaps the electrical demands were more than a steam lok or car-axle generators could generate (I may be off the mark here also
...)? But why when the route was electrified and being hauled by the BB92nn? Were the demands still more than the lok and catenary could provide?
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30 November 2019 15:29:50(UTC)
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I have also stumbled across this, though some may already know of this prototype resource:
http://openarchives.sncf.com/
Great images of SNCF
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30 November 2019 17:21:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson
While on the subject of 'Le Mistral" and the generator wagon, what was its purpose? I
think
I can understand when it was under steam power in its early days, perhaps the electrical demands were more than a steam lok or car-axle generators could generate (I may be off the mark here also
...)? But why when the route was electrified and being hauled by the BB92nn? Were the demands still more than the lok and catenary could provide?
Thanks,
Jimmy
I thought it was for the air conditioning?
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30 November 2019 17:40:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson
While on the subject of 'Le Mistral" and the generator wagon, what was its purpose? I
think
I can understand when it was under steam power in its early days, perhaps the electrical demands were more than a steam lok or car-axle generators could generate (I may be off the mark here also
...)? But why when the route was electrified and being hauled by the BB92nn? Were the demands still more than the lok and catenary could provide?
Thanks,
Jimmy
Good observations!
The electrification of the "Imperial line" Paris Lyon Marseille (Cannes) occurred in the late 40's and through the 1960's
First electrified section was Paris Lyon.
But in those day, the SNCF was still using the pre-war standard electrical system of 1500 V DC. (only later, newer electrification were made with 25kV/ 50 hz)
This implied a number of load limitations on these lines and the Mistral was really the first commercially used train to be fully AC equiped and the power demand (about 480 kW for the whole consist) would exceed what the older electric locos could supply. (e.g. 2D2, CC 7100)
Besides, the generator cars were designed to produce AC current , which is much more efficient to ditribute along and run motors/pumps/fans of the trains' air conditionning system
The section from Lyon to Marseille and onward remained under steam for a some time and thus the generator car also kept running for a long time.
The section along the Cote d'Azur from Marseille to Cannes was later served with diesels (BB 67000) but occasionally a few steam locos of the 141R type had to intervene.
So one could say that the Mistral was probably the only TEE ever to be operated under steam!
The original Mistral 56 coaches (plus a few upgraded CIWL restaurant and pullman cars) with their generator cars were later used on some international TEE services like the Goethe and the Arbalète
BTW, the concept of generator car was also used a little later (and on a even bigger scale) by the Italian FS for the supply of their fabulous range of TEE coaches used both internationally (e.g. on the Mediolanum and the Lemano) and internally (e.g. Ambrosiano, Vesuvio, etc.)
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30 November 2019 17:44:08(UTC)
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I have two of them...that's one too many.Wink
Not cheap either
Well, you could run 2 trains, one "each way". Or...
Jimmy
They have both been "used" , but are in decent shape, and a reasonabme match with the Märklin coaches .
Interested in one?
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