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jasondixon		#1 Posted : 28 October 2019 14:10:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/01/2011(UTC) Posts: 33 Location: Hampshire, UK		Hi all, At long last the shed is built and the baseboards are down. After several years of amassing loads of Marklin stuff to 'relive' my childhood layout memories, I'm slowly starting to put everything together. So, one of the items I found on eBay.co.uk a few years ago was an Eckert Engineering Digital Power Supply - an EE-700D. This thing is a monster, and gives me plenty of power and flexibility to have loads of stuff going on across the layout. However, there are no instructions with it and, although the connections look reasonably simple, I was wondering if anyone has any experience with these power supplies, especially if anyone has used one with a Central Station based system? I'll try and post pictures as I go with the layout on a separate thread.


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PMPeter		#2 Posted : 28 October 2019 14:48:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/04/2013(UTC) Posts: 1,291 Location: Port Moody, BC		Have you tried contacting Eckert Engineering directly? They post regularly on eBay USA. Peter


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DaleSchultz		#3 Posted : 28 October 2019 15:27:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997		I have a 300 Watt 120 Volt EE power supply. It has 3 independent 100 W 16 V AC outputs. I treat them as 3 power supplies. It s the gray box on the right in the pcture at https://cabin-layout.mix...3/09/Power-supplies.html
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jasondixon		#4 Posted : 28 October 2019 15:35:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/01/2011(UTC) Posts: 33 Location: Hampshire, UK		Originally Posted by: DaleSchultz I have a 300 Watt 120 Volt EE power supply. It has 3 independent 100 W 16 V AC outputs. I treat them as 3 power supplies. It s the gray box on the right in the pcture at https://cabin-layout.mix...3/09/Power-supplies.html Wow - that's some work you've done on that layout! In terms of connecting my CS2 to the Eckert unit, there is just one red socket on the power supply to connect the digital signal - presumably for the red wire from the CS2. Do I connect the brown wire from the CS2 to the ground terminal on the Eckert unit? I'm not particularly electrically minded and the ground terminal on the Eckert unit is so big that I'd be nervous about connecting my CS2 to it and the CS2 going bang in a puff of smoke!


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DaleSchultz		#5 Posted : 28 October 2019 17:06:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997		The EE power supply does not produce a digital signal - it is just 16V AC power. I dont have a CS2 but assuming it take 16V AC as power input, the ground terminal of the EE power supply and its other output would connect to your controller as power, and the red and brown output of the CS2 would go to your tracks. Get confirmation from someone who has a CS2.... The size of the bug ground lug is not a problem. The power supply has plenty of power available, hence the big size. If the CS2 needs less, it will only draw what it needs. So long as the voltage and nature of the current (AC or digital) are correct, no smoke should be produced.
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H0		#6 Posted : 28 October 2019 17:41:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,451 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: DaleSchultz The EE power supply does not produce a digital signal - it is just 16V AC power. I didn't find any information about the EE-700D, but the EE-300D is a booster with 300 W power output that replaces seven Märklin 6017 boosters. "D" as in "digital". So if the name pattern fits, the EE-700D would be a booster with 700 W power output. Sounds like a bit too much for single-room hobby layouts. A 6017 substitute most likely does not support mfx feedback and may not be the best choice for modern Central Station controllers for everybody. But maybe the "700" has a different meaning here. Link to the EE-300D manual: https://slidex.tips/down...parate-circuits-each-pro
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jasondixon		#7 Posted : 28 October 2019 17:54:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/01/2011(UTC) Posts: 33 Location: Hampshire, UK		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: DaleSchultz The EE power supply does not produce a digital signal - it is just 16V AC power. I didn't find any information about the EE-700D, but the EE-300D is a booster with 300 W power output that replaces seven Märklin 6017 boosters. "D" as in "digital". So if the name pattern fits, the EE-700D would be a booster with 700 W power output. Sounds like a bit too much for single-room hobby layouts. A 6017 substitute most likely does not support mfx feedback and may not be the best choice for modern Central Station controllers for everybody. But maybe the "700" has a different meaning here. Yes, you're right - it is 700w of power. I agree it's a lot of power, but for the price I got it for it was a steal. I'm going to have four zones and LOTS of powered accessories though. although I can probably power a kettle from this thing when I want a cup of tea! Fair point about the Mfx feedback. I hadn't considered that. If not, I might be better off selling it and replacing it with two or three 60174 boosters (or similar). Thanks for the link to the manual - really useful! I'm going to try my CS2 with it tomorrow and see what happens. I'll report back :)


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DaleSchultz		#8 Posted : 28 October 2019 22:43:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997		ah yes that would explain a red wire output! I did not know he made boosters.... Check that is is set for 240 Volts and not 120 V mains power. I would stick with that and use DCC instead of mFx. There is not so much advantage of mFX over DCC that would make me give up using that beauty!
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jasondixon		#9 Posted : 29 October 2019 14:18:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/01/2011(UTC) Posts: 33 Location: Hampshire, UK		I hooked it all up to the CS2 last night, and success...... no smoke or flames. I do feel like I'm starting up a 747 when I power it all on. Throw the main switch, the fans spin up, and watch all the green lights come on as I flick all the switches - what a brilliant bit of kit! Thanks for all the help!

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Minok		#10 Posted : 29 October 2019 20:49:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,319 Location: Washington, Pacific Northwest		Those are some beasts. For a model train hobby, it just seems overkill to be using any power supply that requires a running fan though, but that is personal preference. I'd prefer to stick to a power supply solution(s) that are ambient air cooled, just to keep the level of noise down. I know I enjoy using my modern PC fitted with a massive heatsink and a few very slowly spinning large fans SOOO much better than the PC from 15 years ago that had small fans and sounded like a jet engine everytime it booted up. My solution now is almost totally silent. And that is worth something to me. Granted in a train room the rolling and operational sounds may well drown out the fans of the power supply, but every little bit helps.
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TEEWolf		#11 Posted : 29 October 2019 21:56:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/06/2016(UTC) Posts: 2,465		Originally Posted by: jasondixon Hi all, At long last the shed is built and the baseboards are down. After several years of amassing loads of Marklin stuff to 'relive' my childhood layout memories, I'm slowly starting to put everything together. So, one of the items I found on eBay.co.uk a few years ago was an Eckert Engineering Digital Power Supply - an EE-700D. This thing is a monster, and gives me plenty of power and flexibility to have loads of stuff going on across the layout. However, there are no instructions with it and, although the connections look reasonably simple, I was wondering if anyone has any experience with these power supplies, especially if anyone has used one with a Central Station based system? I'll try and post pictures as I go with the layout on a separate thread. Why do you want to use an Eckert Engineering Digital Power Supply, if you obviously have a CS 2 already? Plenty of power for Maerklin articles you achieve with an e.g. 60101 100 VA, 220-240 Volt Switched Mode Power Pack too. https://www.maerklin.de/...ts/details/article/60101 Do not forget a MRR regularly does not have a fuse protection. https://www.maerklin.de/...e/technical-information/ https://www.maerklin.de/...rische_Sicherheit_en.pdf
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jasondixon		#12 Posted : 29 October 2019 22:08:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/01/2011(UTC) Posts: 33 Location: Hampshire, UK		Originally Posted by: Minok Those are some beasts. For a model train hobby, it just seems overkill to be using any power supply that requires a running fan though, but that is personal preference. I'd prefer to stick to a power supply solution(s) that are ambient air cooled, just to keep the level of noise down. I know I enjoy using my modern PC fitted with a massive heatsink and a few very slowly spinning large fans SOOO much better than the PC from 15 years ago that had small fans and sounded like a jet engine everytime it booted up. My solution now is almost totally silent. And that is worth something to me. Granted in a train room the rolling and operational sounds may well drown out the fans of the power supply, but every little bit helps. To be fair, it’s a fairly quiet fan. I can understand how some people prefer silence, but I oddly find white noise and such sounds rather relaxing. Will be quite nice in the background whilst I’m making the ridiculous plethora of models I’ve accumulated. Curse you, eBay!

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